2022 NFL Discussion Thread

[GAME05]

But boy, all Broncos fans have to hope for is that Wilson's year was just an aberration. If not, they're going to be a bad team for a long, long time. They can't get out from under that Wilson contract, and even if they could, they already mortgaged their future to get him. It's gonna be hilarious if the Seahawks use that pick on a QB and he turns out to be great.

Of course the Broncos only hired Hackett to get Rodgers to say 'trade me,' so I guess when Rodgers stayed they never got too loyal to Hackett.

[LouisEly]

4 hours ago, GAME05 said:

But boy, all Broncos fans have to hope for is that Wilson's year was just an aberration. If not, they're going to be a bad team for a long, long time. They can't get out from under that Wilson contract, and even if they could, they already mortgaged their future to get him. It's gonna be hilarious if the Seahawks use that pick on a QB and he turns out to be great.

Of course the Broncos only hired Hackett to get Rodgers to say 'trade me,' so I guess when Rodgers stayed they never got too loyal to Hackett.

They've been a bad team for a long time - this is the seventh year in a row that they've missed the playoffs.

And people around here want to get rid of a head coach who has won 13 games each of the last three seasons because he hasn't gone to a Super Bowl.  I hate to tell you, but it can get a lot, lot worse...

[UpandIn]

15 hours ago, GAME05 said:

But what's the point when you only have two games left? So your players have to adjust to a new person for two games which don't matter at all?

I don't think they were saying they'd bring Hackett back as the OC for the last two games...

And they do matter quite a bit. The Packer win out, they're very likely going to be a playoff team...which doesn't feel right.

 

But no, I think the idea was that you'd bring him back next year. Not sure how that'd work with Steno as the OC. You don't demote him and MLF calls the plays anyway...so I guess you bring him back as passing game coordinator and another guy to help MLF. He can help coach TE or QB or whatever. 

 

He worked well in GB, was well liked. Seemed obvious Denver only hired him for Rodgers as he'd never called plays(I don't think) but he knows what we do and he's apparently a very well liked guy. 

[nate82]

J.J. Watt will be retiring after the 2022 season.

https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-announces-retirement-following-conclusion-of-2022-season#:~:text=Cardinals defensive end J.J.,home game in the NFL.

[MrTPlush]

33 minutes ago, nate82 said:

J.J. Watt will be retiring after the 2022 season.

https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-announces-retirement-following-conclusion-of-2022-season#:~:text=Cardinals defensive end J.J.,home game in the NFL.

What could have been. Disaster off a career injury wise.

Still a HOFer, but pretty sad he basically was a walking injury after turning 27 and now retiring at 33.

[Fear The Chorizo]

So Davante turned down a bigger offer from the Packers to go to Vegas and play with his college quarterback and best buddy after insisting on being traded....don't think things are working out the way he planned now that Carr's being benched the rest of this season to avoid injury in order to see if they can trade him this offseason.

In all honesty, even with the offensive struggles in 2022 I think the Adams trade wound up working very well for GB, as the two picks sent them by the Raiders wound up netting Quay Walker and Christian Watson (53 was part of the trade for GB to move up and get him).

[HarryDoyle]

HHCD is retiring as a Packer.

 

https://www.packers.com/news/s-ha-ha-clinton-dix-retires-as-a-packer?fbclid=IwAR0FBrROMDrZPttXyW4OpD2JZf7ecAf3cW_9rBjW_mlUREkR1kF65kFUInE

[CheezWizHed]

On 12/27/2022 at 6:15 AM, UpandIn said:

I don't think they were saying they'd bring Hackett back as the OC for the last two games...

And they do matter quite a bit. The Packer win out, they're very likely going to be a playoff team...which doesn't feel right.

 

But no, I think the idea was that you'd bring him back next year. Not sure how that'd work with Steno as the OC. You don't demote him and MLF calls the plays anyway...so I guess you bring him back as passing game coordinator and another guy to help MLF. He can help coach TE or QB or whatever. 

 

He worked well in GB, was well liked. Seemed obvious Denver only hired him for Rodgers as he'd never called plays(I don't think) but he knows what we do and he's apparently a very well liked guy. 

Yes for next year, not this one.  You could bring him in as assistant HC.  Not sure what Steno brings for OC level... seems to be strong for the OL, but creativity seemed to drop a bit this year.  Yes, skill level players did too, but we never seemed to match skills to plays and kept running things like normal. 

[UpandIn]

On 12/27/2022 at 12:03 PM, MrTPlush said:

What could have been. Disaster off a career injury wise.

Still a HOFer, but pretty sad he basically was a walking injury after turning 27 and now retiring at 33.

I remember a few years ago people saying he'd already passed White and LT for the best defender of all time. I remember saying...as well as others, he needed a few more years. Must have been after 2018? Since 2027, he's had 3 pretty good years, but he was so incredible.

I think he overtrained. I remember when the Texans were on Hard Knocks they showed him training. He did that cross fit with a 1,000 LB tire(I think). Anyway, he talked about early in his career he could barely do it 1-2 times, then he got up to 25 times, then 50 and then the previous off-season he'd gotten up to 99. 

That just a guess, but with the back problems and torn muscles....

Anyway, going out having a good season. 

[UpandIn]

4 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

HHCD is retiring as a Packer.

 

https://www.packers.com/news/s-ha-ha-clinton-dix-retires-as-a-packer?fbclid=IwAR0FBrROMDrZPttXyW4OpD2JZf7ecAf3cW_9rBjW_mlUREkR1kF65kFUInE

This is getting a little silly. It used to be guys like Clay Matthews or...Adams that would go back and retire with a team. 

On another note, looking like Savage is pretty much on track to be little more than Haha. They each had a good year early and then got progressively worse. 

[HarryDoyle]

1 minute ago, UpandIn said:

This is getting a little silly. It used to be guys like Clay Matthews or...Adams that would go back and retire with a team. 

On another note, looking like Savage is pretty much on track to be little more than Haha. They each had a good year early and then got progressively worse. 

Yes, it's pretty hard to remember him for anything but poor tackling and the worst defense against a two point conversion I will ever see.

[UpandIn]

1 minute ago, HarryDoyle said:

Yes, it's pretty hard to remember him for anything but poor tackling and the worst defense against a two point conversion I will ever see.

Dude...you wanna just start talking Brandon Bostic while we're at it!

 

Jeesus that was brutal. 

[GAME05]

I recall seeing that if Russel Wilson had a 95 QBR instead of the 85 that he has, their average points per game would have had them with a winning record and in the playoffs.

[HarryDoyle]

OMG this is the scariest scene I've ever seen on a football field. We've seen players carted off on boards before but this has gone on way too long. CPR administered too.

[wildcat83]

I can’t believe they’re playing this.  They do CPR for 9 minutes on a player, now they’re going to give them 5 minutes to warm up????

 

Edit: Thankfully let them go to locker rooms now.

[HarryDoyle]

 

[MrTPlush]

Just postpone the game, what are they waiting for? If he starts breathing they are going to play, but if he dies they are going to send everyone home? Stop the broadcast, send people home, and let the family/players/etc. deal with it and not have play by play video with reactions.

 

[HarryDoyle]

5 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Just postpone the game, what are they waiting for? If he starts breathing they are going to play, but if he dies they are going to send everyone home? Stop the broadcast, send people home, and let the family/players/etc. deal with it and not have play by play video with reactions.

 

I don't see why they should even try to play this game at any point. This game does not need to be played. Playoff seeding is not that important.

[HarryDoyle]

Scumbag Skip Bayless manages to hit an all time low.

 

[MrTPlush]

21 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Scumbag Skip Bayless manages to hit an all time low.

 

Even the lowest of low life forms (Twitter users) were in indisputable agreement the game couldn’t go on without considering any kind of competitive consideration.

It’s a scheduling nightmare, but nowhere near the nightmare of a guy getting CPR and an AED on a football field.

[valpocrewsader]

Anyone else think Suzy, Booger, and Adam did an especially awful job filling time in their segments of the broadcast?  Maybe they get a pass on the first segment when there wasn't much time to prepare, but the subsequent opportunities were just as bad -- if not worse -- with them just repeating the same heartfelt takes over and over.  I wanted to expect more from a pro like Suzy Kolber, especially.  She can't lead a compelling discussion with some interesting angles and thoughtful commentary?

At the very least, shouldn't they have a producer in their ears suggesting talking points like...

• Similar incidents in NFL history, like Chuck Hughes in '71 or Mike Utley in '91 ... or in other sports like Hank Gathers in '90
• Any precedent for football games being postponed due to weather, facilities issues, etc (especially where the game had already started) ... or, like, a World Series game being postponed by earthquake
• More background information about Hamlin and his career story

Not to go off on deep tangents with any of those, but just as some natural topics to add to the mix as an audience of sports fans waited for more information.  Instead, they just gave us vapid blather.  For ESPN, the biggest sports network on the planet, I thought that crew came off as really amateurish and lazy in their coverage.  Even a little incompetent.

[Vgmastr]

36 minutes ago, valpocrewsader said:

Anyone else think Suzy, Booger, and Adam did an especially awful job filling time in their segments of the broadcast?

No.

A 24 year old is fighting for his life.  If they were talking about a 30 year old earthquake they would and should have been raked over the coals for being insensitive to the situation.

[MrTPlush]

10 hours ago, valpocrewsader said:

Anyone else think Suzy, Booger, and Adam did an especially awful job filling time in their segments of the broadcast?  Maybe they get a pass on the first segment when there wasn't much time to prepare, but the subsequent opportunities were just as bad -- if not worse -- with them just repeating the same heartfelt takes over and over.  I wanted to expect more from a pro like Suzy Kolber, especially.  She can't lead a compelling discussion with some interesting angles and thoughtful commentary?

At the very least, shouldn't they have a producer in their ears suggesting talking points like...

• Similar incidents in NFL history, like Chuck Hughes in '71 or Mike Utley in '91 ... or in other sports like Hank Gathers in '90
• Any precedent for football games being postponed due to weather, facilities issues, etc (especially where the game had already started) ... or, like, a World Series game being postponed by earthquake
• More background information about Hamlin and his career story

Not to go off on deep tangents with any of those, but just as some natural topics to add to the mix as an audience of sports fans waited for more information.  Instead, they just gave us vapid blather.  For ESPN, the biggest sports network on the planet, I thought that crew came off as really amateurish and lazy in their coverage.  Even a little incompetent.

I don't think anyone wanted to hear about other incidents or even hear them talk at all. The game should have been canceled immediately after he left the field and the broadcast should have been shut down. Instead, the NFL was hoping the players would want to retake the field and it dragged on forcing the announcers to be on camera and required to talk. 

There was nothing to say. When everyone literally has to watch a guy die on the field and be brought back to life that should be a wrap for the night. No need to speculate and talk about similar situations as a guy is off to the hospital and no one knows if he is dead or alive. 

[Samurai Bucky]

A lot of things to unwrap.  I wanted to address the ESPN broadcast and how the NFL handled it.

I'm not sure how good the Telecommunications department is at the University of Miami, but I am fairly certain they didn't have a module on how to handle a possible death on the field.  Was she unprepared?  Sure, but how do you prepare for something like that?  I agree that ESPN should have provided her with better support in her ear.  Then again, how does one really prepare for something like this?

As far as Booger's response?  Unless somebody has played in the NFL or even played high level college ball, there is no way we can understand.  The NFL players are a brotherhood.  As much as I think Booger isn't a very good analyst, I thought he did as well as he could knowing the situation.

Fast forward to Scott Van Pelt.  More experienced, more time to prepare, and also more help from the mothership.  He did an excellent job of being a facilitator delegating to people closer to the situations -- an art that is all too often lost into today's "journalism."

Now onto how the NFL handled the situation.  Sure, it makes perfect sense that the NFL should have said that the game would be postponed / cancelled because somebody almost perished on the field.  Certainly unprecedented except when Chuck Hughes died in 1971.  I want to commend the NFL.  Instead of making an immediate decision, they took a short amount of time, talked to the coaches and listened to the players.  Hypothetically, if the Bills would have wanted to play in an effort to support their brother, would they have been mad if the game was cancelled?  I'm not sure.  I do appreciate that there was communication and the NFL listened to the players.  Good for them.

Oh... and Skip Bayless' twitter account had to be hacked or something.  I'm still shaking my head.

[igor67]

I'm most annoyed at the cheapshots from 5th rate internet commentators. I happened to tune in about 10 minutes after it happened with no clue. I ended up not watching long because it was clear the announcers were just as shocked as everyone else. And that was fine, even great people were sharing an unprecedented moment. While even the few minutes I watched people stumbling over words and effectively repeat themselves was painful to watch. It was also real. Taking an hour to figure out how to move forward really isn't that long for an unprecedented situation. People wanting to complain should take the chance to make the world just a little bit better and step back instead. I've unfortunately had to sit through executive level crisis training. It is depressing and hard to try and strategize for an organization how to have both a robust and flexible response to anything. The right call was made, and as Samurai said instead of making a snap judgement they took a bit of time to at least have a process. So in my estimation take the moment to be thankful you didn't have to be making any decisions or anything else related to the situation.