Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[stoutdude04]

Well yea, that's what I mean. I dont think he has any drama, but he loves creating it. Had a buddy in college whose girlfriend was the exact same way. Created drama for no reason other than she enjoyed seeing it. Maybe this was just an appreciation post, but the way he words it with past tense to get people talking.

 

I say this as a non Packer fan that actually likes Rodgers.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't see what the big deal is. We mock athletes for speaking in platitudes and all saying the same thing; anyone that comes along and acts more like a real person is also vilified. I've seen 100 posts more dramatic than anything Rodgers does whenever a simpleton on any social media page gives birth, gets divorced or gets a new job. In the end, these guys are just people too; they don't have to be the robot performers football culture demands them to be.

 

Yeah he is a little more emotional than I would ever care to be. I don't think it's dramatic though or harmful at all. Just a dude with a lot of "feelings," lol.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I mean, half the Packers' staff he referenced in that post are now coaching in other organizations, and it comes at the back end of a post that seems mostly centered around his relationship with his former fiance'. Seems like more a reflection on Rodgers' past year and likely has nothing to do with his mindset for whether he plays football next season and if that's in GB or elsewhere.

 

Sources indicated the primary issue that engagement fell apart was because Woodley didn't like how much time Rodgers spent focusing on football during the season (lol, what did she expect?) - and the post alludes to football being his job and how much more enjoyable that job is because of the friendships he's built with his teammates over the years.

 

people are trying to read way, way too much into everything - we'll know more definitively soon enough.

[adambr2]

According to NFL insider Benjamin Allbright, the Packers do not believe in the Jordan Love.

 

“Around the league everyone knows GB doesn’t believe in Love. Dealing him now would net a minimal return. Late day 3 pick. He’s not on the block and also isn’t in demand,” he tweeted.

 

LOL ... a Broncos reporter tweeting this out doesn't look suspicious at all ...

 

Move along, people, move along ...

 

What motivation would a Broncos reporter have to fabricate something like that?

 

That would make the Packers less likely to want to deal Rodgers, not more.

 

I don't know that there's anything to it either, but I'm also not willing to totally dismiss it just because we don't like what is being said.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

According to NFL insider Benjamin Allbright, the Packers do not believe in the Jordan Love.

 

“Around the league everyone knows GB doesn’t believe in Love. Dealing him now would net a minimal return. Late day 3 pick. He’s not on the block and also isn’t in demand,” he tweeted.

 

LOL ... a Broncos reporter tweeting this out doesn't look suspicious at all ...

 

Move along, people, move along ...

 

What motivation would a Broncos reporter have to fabricate something like that?

 

That would make the Packers less likely to want to deal Rodgers, not more.

 

I don't know that there's anything to it either, but I'm also not willing to totally dismiss it just because we don't like what is being said.

 

Manufactured drama. It has been speculated that if the Packers are hanging on to Rodgers, Love would be the one dealt, possibly even to the Broncos to pair with Hackett. Allbright is speculating (and that is all this is, pure speculation) that Love has little value, so if the Broncos wanted him, they "should" be able to acquire him for a song.

 

I think that, as of right now, Rodgers is the Packers' QB next year, and Jordan Love will again be his backup. The Packers have shown no indication that they don't believe in Jordan Love. Wanting the two-time reigning MVP to come back is zero indication that they don't like Love.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think it's accurate the Packers don't think Love is ready to start, at the very least. MLF said as much. Trade value for a 3rd year QB not ready to start? Not too high. In any case I think the evaluation of his trade value in that rumor is likely spot on.

 

I don't think the book on Love is out, though. He could be anything from trash, to ok starter/journeyman, to pretty good.

[PeaveyFury]

Rodgers is indeed joining McAfee as his surprise guest today. Considering the odd post last night, it’s probably worth paying attention to….

[CheezWizHed]

I personally don't understand the "trade Love" mindset.

1) We need a backup QB.

2) We don't have money to pay a backup QB

3) Unless you just admit you are going to take a low-cost UDFA, Love is going to be the best and lowest cost option for backup QB.

 

Ignoring the trade value of Love and whether or not he will become our 3rd straight HOF QB or not... we simply need him for next year.

[PeaveyFury]

I think it comes from the assumption that if Rodgers signs an extension, Love’s representation would be crazy not to ask for him to be traded to a place where he might have a chance at a legit opportunity to compete for a starting job.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think it comes from the assumption that if Rodgers signs an extension, Love’s representation would be crazy not to ask for him to be traded to a place where he might have a chance at a legit opportunity to compete for a starting job.

 

Right. But at the same time, the Packers could theoretically tell Love's representation to pound sand.

[PeaveyFury]

I think it comes from the assumption that if Rodgers signs an extension, Love’s representation would be crazy not to ask for him to be traded to a place where he might have a chance at a legit opportunity to compete for a starting job.

 

Right. But at the same time, the Packers could theoretically tell Love's representation to pound sand.

 

Absolutely correct.

[Fear The Chorizo]

There's no reason to trade Love this offseason even if Rodgers returns to a longterm extension - even his agent should realize at present the best option for Love becoming a starting quarterback (assuming Rodgers remains a Packer in 2022) lies with him performing well next preseason and getting other teams interested, then looking to make a trade either during the 2022 regular season or next offseason.

[PeaveyFury]

There's no reason to trade Love this offseason even if Rodgers returns to a longterm extension - even his agent should realize at present the best option for Love becoming a starting quarterback (assuming Rodgers remains a Packer in 2022) lies with him performing well next preseason and getting other teams interested, then looking to make a trade either during the 2022 regular season or next offseason.

 

I don't think that's necessarily accurate. If you're going to join another organization and hope to compete quickly, you are far better off being traded early so the receiving team can plan their offseason strategy accordingly and so that your client can go through the offseason with his new team.

[Fear The Chorizo]

There's no reason to trade Love this offseason even if Rodgers returns to a longterm extension - even his agent should realize at present the best option for Love becoming a starting quarterback (assuming Rodgers remains a Packer in 2022) lies with him performing well next preseason and getting other teams interested, then looking to make a trade either during the 2022 regular season or next offseason.

 

I don't think that's necessarily accurate. If you're going to join another organization and hope to compete quickly, you are far better off being traded early so the receiving team can plan their offseason strategy accordingly and so that your client can go through the offseason with his new team.

 

Ok, let's say that's the case - what team out there is going to trade for Love right now that doesn't already have a young QB they just drafted and who wants Love based on his onfield body of work through 2021?

 

NFC West

Seattle maybe if they trade Wilson, and that's it

 

NFC North - interdivision trade isn't happening unless Packers truly think Love is a bust

 

NFC South - division probably makes the most sense to be QB hunting after Brady retired, ATL likely moving on from Ryan soon, Panthers if they've soured on Darnold, and Saints after they stop putting themselves in cap hell.

 

NFC East - WFT and Giants maybe, but I'd think any moves they make at the QB position would be to bring an established veteran in via trade

 

AFC East - nobody

AFC South - Houston trainwreck if the Watson saga ever gets sorted out

AFC North - Pittsburgh? likely bringing in an established vet via trade though

AFC West - Nope - if Denver makes a QB move it won't be for Love

 

I should have added in my post that if Love is traded, I'd expect it to happen next offseason for the reason of working into the mix with the new organization you mentioned. I think this offseason will include some veteran QB cuts and trades with teams who think they're one veteran signal caller away from making a run - IMO GB doesn't have a solid market to trade a young QB headed into his 3rd year that hasn't proven it on the field yet. I'd check in after the 2022 season and a few of the current crop of young QBs prove to not be longterm answers for teams, and see if any of them are interested in giving Love a shot instead of drafting a guy 3 years younger with a premium draft pick.

[PeaveyFury]

Rodgers is indeed joining McAfee as his surprise guest today. Considering the odd post last night, it’s probably worth paying attention to….

 

[CheezWizHed]

There's no reason to trade Love this offseason even if Rodgers returns to a longterm extension - even his agent should realize at present the best option for Love becoming a starting quarterback (assuming Rodgers remains a Packer in 2022) lies with him performing well next preseason and getting other teams interested, then looking to make a trade either during the 2022 regular season or next offseason.

 

I don't think that's necessarily accurate. If you're going to join another organization and hope to compete quickly, you are far better off being traded early so the receiving team can plan their offseason strategy accordingly and so that your client can go through the offseason with his new team.

 

If Love had shown anything that resembled an NFL starting QB in his preseason or regular season games, maybe. Just because you are a first round draft pick doesn't mean you have the "right" to be starting somewhere.

 

BTW, Love has every right to compete with Rodgers for starting QB spot. We all know it is unlikely he will win it this year head-to-head, but I'd wager the reason the team was ready to move on from Favre (aside from his retirement flip-flops) was that Rodgers was looking like a legit QB.

[PeaveyFury]

 

If Love had shown anything that resembled an NFL starting QB in his preseason or regular season games, maybe. Just because you are a first round draft pick doesn't mean you have the "right" to be starting somewhere.

 

If Rodgers signs a long-term extension, I'd put the odds pretty high that Love would ask for a trade. Justified or not, and completely my opinion, I think that's what would happen. Why would he allow his career to toil as a 4-year backup or more and also miss the chance to cash in on a second contract, which is typically the best money-making contract most NFL players get?

 

Another key part of the reason the Packers moved on from Favre to Rodgers when they did was basically because they had to choose between going with Rodgers or cutting him loose at that point.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think Love was really all that bad in KC and in hindsight he played as well or better than like the following 5 or 6 QBs against KC, some of whom were stars. At the time of the game KC looked like they might miss the playoffs but they rallied since.

 

I don't think that is really the point here but just something that has been bugging me. With more context it ended up looking more like an average performance.

 

I don't have a problem with what Rodgers is doing. He wants to mull over a huge decision. He likes to share his emotions. Not my style, but it's February. Whatever.

[CheezWizHed]

 

If Love had shown anything that resembled an NFL starting QB in his preseason or regular season games, maybe. Just because you are a first round draft pick doesn't mean you have the "right" to be starting somewhere.

 

If Rodgers signs a long-term extension, I'd put the odds pretty high that Love would ask for a trade. Justified or not, and completely my opinion, I think that's what would happen. Why would he allow his career to toil as a 4-year backup or more and also miss the chance to cash in on a second contract, which is typically the best money-making contract most NFL players get?

 

Another key part of the reason the Packers moved on from Favre to Rodgers when they did was basically because they had to choose between going with Rodgers or cutting him loose at that point.

 

If all you mean is "he might ask"... ok. Kind of pointless to even bring up because there would be zero chance the Packers trade him. His first year, he looked lost. Second year, he looked OK. If he steps up this year and starts to show like he can read defenses, adjust, make all the throws, etc.. then I think he can start to push for a trade in year 4 (or make the Packers decide the QB future).

 

Ironically, that is exactly what happened with Rodgers; starting to look like a legit starting QB in his third year. However, if Rodgers had looked like some QB scrub his 3rd year, I guarantee they push for Favre to stay.

[OldHeidelberg]

 

Ironically, that is exactly what happened with Rodgers; starting to look like a legit starting QB in his third year. However, if Rodgers had looked like some QB scrub his 3rd year, I guarantee they push for Favre to stay.

 

I think I brought this up in the Love discussion in the preseason but I think the idea that Rodgers sucked his first 2 years is not in line with what the Packers thought of him, just the remembrance of us fans who saw little of him. I swear I read in one of the articles around the time of the MM split that it was clear to everyone in the organization right away how talented Rodgers was but couldn't find it. I just looked again and did find this from the Favre biography:

 

Rodgers was Favre’s equal when it came to arm strength, and he was already, as a rookie, a far better decision maker. He read defenses like a 12-year veteran and stayed in the pocket without cowering.

 

https://thelab.bleacherreport.com/gunslinger-brett-favre-aaron-rodgers-feud-jeff-pearlman-excerpt/

 

Of course it could be the same thing is going on with Love but Andrew Brandt was on Wis sports radio before the end of the Packer season and said in his opinion if the Packers felt like they hit on Love they would move on from Rodgers in the offseason and so far it sure doesn't seem like they want to. He said he was basing that on what he knows of the Packers front office and how they would value the Love pick.

[PeaveyFury]

If all you mean is "he might ask"... ok.

 

I suppose anything on a message board is 'might', but I'd go further to say that my own personal expectation is that I'd be surprised if he didn't.

[xisxisxis]

The Cap Gymnastics have begun with a reworking of Kenny Clark's contract to save $10.8M in cap space.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/kenny-clark-packers-restructure-contract-create-10-8m-in-cap-space

[PeaveyFury]

Roster & base salary converted to SB and two void years added to spread it out over 5 vs. 3 years.

 

I'd expect the second move to be a Bakh restructure unless they can get a Jaire extension done first.

[Joseph Zarr]

Roster & base salary converted to SB and two void years added to spread it out over 5 vs. 3 years.

 

I'd expect the second move to be a Bakh restructure unless they can get a Jaire extension done first.

 

Yeah, at this point, a Bakh restructure has to be a near certainty. The man hasn't played in over a year and, well, his injuries probably cost them 2 trips to the SB. Ugh.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I wasn't really expecting a Clark restructure as part of the 'get almost everyone back and get under the cap' activities over the next few weeks...but definitely welcome finding a way to make almost $11M in accounting-only salary cap dollars leave the 2022 ledger before any other cuts or new contracts happen.

 

I don't see any way Z. Smith doesn't get cut at this point, the cap savings is just too much to pass up despite a big part of me wishing there was a way to have him around one more season via restructuring or signing to a cap friendly deal - for me cutting #55 is the next obvious roster move that will happen even if they wait until the last minute to announce his release as everything else shakes out.