Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[GAME05]

Fine by me. What MVS was good at I think can be found for cheaper. Also smart move by him, as he's gonna get a lot of deep balls thrown his way with the Chiefs.

[wallus]

Fine with MVS going. There are a ton of veteran WRs out there so maybe the best course of action is to wait out the market and sign one or two for a low cost deal.

Am I the only one that is starting to wonder if paying WRs big money is a bad idea? Not quite RB bad but still not great. Every year there seems to be a great WR draft.

[adambr2]

18 minutes ago, wallus said:

Fine with MVS going. There are a ton of veteran WRs out there so maybe the best course of action is to wait out the market and sign one or two for a low cost deal.

Am I the only one that is starting to wonder if paying WRs big money is a bad idea? Not quite RB bad but still not great. Every year there seems to be a great WR draft.

Is it possible... just possible...that the Packers are thinking this exact same thing? Maybe WRs are the new market inefficiency? 

This is a loaded rookie class. Maybe they're thinking they'll use a 1st and a 2nd on WRs, draft a project in the 5th and call it good?

I mean what are guys like Jefferson and Chase going to get after their rookie contracts expire at this rate? 40M a year?

[NBBrewFan]

21 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Is it possible... just possible...that the Packers are thinking this exact same thing? Maybe WRs are the new market inefficiency? 

This is a loaded rookie class. Maybe they're thinking they'll use a 1st and a 2nd on WRs, draft a project in the 5th and call it good?

I mean what are guys like Jefferson and Chase going to get after their rookie contracts expire at this rate? 40M a year?

That's a really good point.  Also, how much of that deal was the Packers bidding against the Chiefs?  We don't know, but if the Packers said enough when asked for another offer then I give them credit for backing away. That's crazy money for someone who's had a GOAT throwing to him and yet couldn't ever make that next step.

[Mr Southpaw]

They definitely need to add two WR with their first 4 picks and sign at least two FA wide receivers.  How about Julio Jones and/or AJ Green, along with Cole Beasley or DeSean Jackson.  I know they are all older, but none of them have ever played with Aaron Rodgers before. Maybe we can get a career year out of one or two of them?  That being said, my first pick at 22 would be a franchise WR and if the chips fall right, I might just pick another one in the first round.  My hopes...

Allen Lazard               6'4" 227       26         Great blocker, very familiar with offense

Julio Jones                  6'3" 220      33          Just throw it up there and he will get it

Chris Olave                 6'0" 187       22          Great route runner already

Jamerson Williams    6'2" 171        21           Knee injury lets him fall to 28?

Cole Beasley               5'8" 177       32           Shifty as hell, he is a winner

Randall Cobb               5'10" 192     31           AR likes him, what can I say

Amari Rodgers            5'9" 212      22           Get the ball in his hands, screens, jet sweeps, fast and big

BONUS

54 Quay Walker          6'4" 241      LB            Georgia          A real football player

60 Myjai Sanders        6'5" 228     EDGE       Cincinnati       Drake Jackson if Sanders gets picked

 

[BillScottCanRake]

2 hours ago, Mr Southpaw said:

They definitely need to add two WR with their first 4 picks and sign at least two FA wide receivers.  How about Julio Jones and/or AJ Green, along with Cole Beasley or DeSean Jackson.  I know they are all older, but none of them have ever played with Aaron Rodgers before. Maybe we can get a career year out of one or two of them?  That being said, my first pick at 22 would be a franchise WR and if the chips fall right, I might just pick another one in the first round.  My hopes...

Allen Lazard               6'4" 227       26         Great blocker, very familiar with offense

Julio Jones                  6'3" 220      33          Just throw it up there and he will get it

Chris Olave                 6'0" 187       22          Great route runner already

Jamerson Williams    6'2" 171        21           Knee injury lets him fall to 28?

Cole Beasley               5'8" 177       32           Shifty as hell, he is a winner

Randall Cobb               5'10" 192     31           AR likes him, what can I say

Amari Rodgers            5'9" 212      22           Get the ball in his hands, screens, jet sweeps, fast and big

BONUS

54 Quay Walker          6'4" 241      LB            Georgia          A real football player

60 Myjai Sanders        6'5" 228     EDGE       Cincinnati       Drake Jackson if Sanders gets picked

 

Of Jones, Green, Beasley, and Jackson, I would for sure not sign Beasley.  Cobb and Rodgers have the slot covered, and the guys they need to replace in Adams, MVS, and EQ all are outside guys.  He is redundant and would take a roster spot from someone else you need.

Of the other three, I would look at adding one of them.  If Green Bay does indeed keep 7 receivers, one of them will need to a Malik Taylor type who can help on multiple special teams.  None of those three tick that box, nor does anyone they might take at 22 or 28.

My order of preference would be Jones, Jackson, and Green, with my interest dropping off rather considerably after Jones.

[wallus]

Has anyone brought up Sammy Watkins? For some reason, I thought we were interested in him at sometime in the last couple of years.

[PeaveyFury]

Sullivan to the Vikings, who are apparently going after old Packer players like it’s 2009.

[NBBrewFan]

20 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Sullivan to the Vikings, who are apparently going after old Packer players like it’s 2009.

Someone has to be the Kevin King of a Mike Pettine Defense.  

[Joseph Zarr]

21 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Sullivan to the Vikings, who are apparently going after old Packer players like it’s 2009.

True. Tho, in this season's case it appears to be more Pettine and Mike Smith going after guys they are familiar with and enjoy coaching?

[PeaveyFury]

Packers have signed CB Keisean Nixon. Graded out well as a ST player for the Raiders, so little doubt this is a Bisaccia-fueled signing.

 

 

[Joseph Zarr]

15 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

Packers have signed CB Keisean Nixon. Graded out well as a ST player for the Raiders, so little doubt this is a Bisaccia-fueled signing.

 

 

I would add, in an extremely small sample he has graded out very well in PFF:

So, last season, he showed some things. I, for one, am always weirdly excited about these 'under the radar' moves. Apparently, the always divisive gossip King (of Old, I don't know anymore as I haven't followed Arrigo's stuff in yearssss), Joe Arrigo, knows him personally and his son trained with him. A take from a subjective angle:

Looks like it could be a fun signing that may bring some much needed attitude to the ST's unit. I am sure we would welcome that in spades given what we witnessed during our season's demise last year. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

Winfree is still on the Packers' roster, correct?  Not that he would be a starter next year, but he would be good depth to slide in behind another vet FA WR addition and a couple early round draft picks at that position.

 

He has showed some flashes in preseason and got time at the WR2 spot at times last year when they were fighting injuries and covid absences

[Joseph Zarr]

On 3/26/2022 at 11:37 AM, Fear The Chorizo said:

Winfree is still on the Packers' roster, correct?  Not that he would be a starter next year, but he would be good depth to slide in behind another vet FA WR addition and a couple early round draft picks at that position.

 

He has showed some flashes in preseason and got time at the WR2 spot at times last year when they were fighting injuries and covid absences

Indeed he is, yes. Definitely a lottery pick in this regard - as you note, he has shown flashes. If we recall, through OTA's and the early part of Training Camp he was lauded for the vast improvements he had made and how he had really excelled during the off-season programs. Then, as we know and see all too often, he got injured; went to the PS; and had fairly limited reps all season in spot performances. Hopefully, he can build on last season.

[PeaveyFury]

Lots of chatter about the Texans shopping Brandin Cooks. Makes sense because he's in a contract year (automatically voids this next offseason) and Houston is going absolutely nowhere this year. Cooks has put up numbers everywhere, despite being a bit quick to depart everywhere he plays.

Perhaps a more cost-effective way to solidify the WR room vs. a pricey acquisition like Metcalf. I'd think #92 would get it done, but maybe I'm off on that.

[homer]

13 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Lots of chatter about the Texans shopping Brandin Cooks. Makes sense because he's in a contract year (automatically voids this next offseason) and Houston is going absolutely nowhere this year. Cooks has put up numbers everywhere, despite being a bit quick to depart everywhere he plays.

Perhaps a more cost-effective way to solidify the WR room vs. a pricey acquisition like Metcalf. I'd think #92 would get it done, but maybe I'm off on that.

Looks like McLaurin wants out of Washington too. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

30 minutes ago, homer said:

Looks like McLaurin wants out of Washington too. 

I want nothing to do with Cooks. There's a reason why he has gotten passed around the league.

McLaurin would be a terrific pickup. The price might be prohibitive though.

[homer]

34 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I want nothing to do with Cooks. There's a reason why he has gotten passed around the league.

McLaurin would be a terrific pickup. The price might be prohibitive though.

what do you think it would take?  two second round picks? 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, homer said:

what do you think it would take?  two second round picks? 

That is probably a pretty good guess. I was thinking either #28, or something like both their 2s, or a 2 and a 3.

[Outlander]

2 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

Lots of chatter about the Texans shopping Brandin Cooks. Makes sense because he's in a contract year (automatically voids this next offseason) and Houston is going absolutely nowhere this year. Cooks has put up numbers everywhere, despite being a bit quick to depart everywhere he plays.

Perhaps a more cost-effective way to solidify the WR room vs. a pricey acquisition like Metcalf. I'd think #92 would get it done, but maybe I'm off on that.

I like it, don't know if the Texans would do it for a third though, especially the Packers 3rd. Maybe they would  be willing to do a similar deal they did in 2020 when they sent a 2nd but received a 4th.

[Matt Breen]

If you can get Cooks for a decent price he makes sense. Deep threat, productive. I don't know about the reasons he has been traded so much - perhaps there's issues there. But even just a one year rental would be great. Add in a WR in the first couple of rounds - and you have a a receiving corps that we can work with.

[adambr2]

No way is Washington moving Terry for less than a 1st. He's young, really good, and at least for '22, highly affordable. 

Cooks is probably quite a bit more obtainable. The passing around the league stuff doesn't bother me much, it's not like he's a known head case. I think it's partly been circumstantial and partly because his concussion history has scared teams. But he's been productive everywhere. If you could get him for a 3rd, you could do far worse on a 1 year rental. 

[adambr2]

The problem with paying a heavy price for someone like Metcalf or McLaurin is that you're almost immediately going to be hit with a double whammy by having to commit a big contract extension in addition to major draft capital, unless you are satisfied with a 1 year rental in which case giving up big draft capital makes little sense. 

Even though they were willing to make an exception for Adams, I believe the Packers believe the WR market is highly overpriced and have no intention at this time of paying the going FA rates. It would therefore not completely shock me given the strength of the rookie WR class if they choose to double dip in the first round on WRs and thus control two potential stud receivers cheaply for 5 years. 

After all, if you believe the free agent WR market is underpriced, there's a good chance you also believe the rookie WR market is undervalued. 

[SeaBass]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The problem with paying a heavy price for someone like Metcalf or McLaurin is that you're almost immediately going to be hit with a double whammy by having to commit a big contract extension in addition to major draft capital, unless you are satisfied with a 1 year rental in which case giving up big draft capital makes little sense. 

Even though they were willing to make an exception for Adams, I believe the Packers believe the WR market is highly overpriced and have no intention at this time of paying the going FA rates. It would therefore not completely shock me given the strength of the rookie WR class if they choose to double dip in the first round on WRs and thus control two potential stud receivers cheaply for 5 years. 

 

Yep, that's my thought too. All those trade gymnastics just to end up with an Adams replacement that's nearly as expensive when Adams was already a perfect fit for the offense. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The one caveat is Metcalf is young with many years ahead of him. But I just don't think they want to trade either of those two firsts or seconds.

The one bit of speculation I feel could be true is waiting to make a trade like that after the draft. Maybe not for Metcalf, if he's truly available I think there's one team out there that blinks first and makes a deal before the draft, but there are other options that probably won't cost as much that they feel will still help them and the demand on their 2022 picks will be gone.

[PeaveyFury]

I think the issue with that, though, is that these teams are clearly willing to move Hunt, Adams, apparently McLaurin, etc. because of that draft depth at the position. At what point does the demand for receivers in the draft start to squeeze the teams that are looking there to fill needs? At some point, these guys we think are going to be there in the mid/late 2nd might not be because everyone else is picking them earlier.