Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[GAME05]

Gute trying to have the best of both worlds by drafting Love and then extending Rodgers, instead of choosing a direction for the team and actually sticking to it. Then they don't trade Love yet hire coordinators who are more "don't mess up" guys than they are high-ceiling guys. I can understand the gamble on Adams (though a Rodgers extension should have happened already if you were going that route), but then they should have mortgaged their future to get a better WR in here.

All the decision-making has been contradictory. Choose one direction or another, because trying for both has gotten us the worst of both worlds.

[wallus]

Amari cut. Not surprised, he has been a huge bust.

[homer]

Good to see they are willing to move on but a 3rd rounder (that you traded up to get) getting cut in year 2 says something about your ability to scout. Maybe just get a bunch of bites at the apple and hope you get lucky?

[homer]

Surprised about Hill getting released. I liked him.

[patrickgpe]

38 minutes ago, homer said:

Good to see they are willing to move on but a 3rd rounder (that you traded up to get) getting cut in year 2 says something about your ability to scout. Maybe just get a bunch of bites at the apple and hope you get lucky?

I don't know about that. players drafted a lot higher than the 3rd flop each and every year. (I will say though cutting a day 2 pick in year 2 is very rare). There was pressure to take a WR to appease A-Rod and the board didn't work out right. Nobody knows how much they liked him over just he was the best WR on the board and wanted to get one day 2 so they traded up. no way to know 

[homer]

Just now, patrickgpe said:

I don't know about that. players drafted a lot higher than the 3rd flop each and every year. There was pressure to take a WR to appease A-Rod and the board didn't work out right. Nobody knows how much they liked him over just he was the best WR on the board and wanted to get one day 2 so they traded up. no way to know 

Yes pretty much every 3rd rounder GB has taken the last decade has flopped. We know they liked him a ton because they traded up to get him.

[CheezWizHed]

Did we really like him or was he the last one and we panicked to get one? Could be one or both.

Actually, it is a little too bad that they didn't just pull him from being the PR on his previous fumble (or in TC as I advocated).  Not that he is going to be a great WR and AR had issues with him at WR... we a so thin, he still did provide some minimal floor. 

I'm going to predict that someone grabs him and he provides some modest benefit as a WR for a team. Maybe a new scheme or new QB fits him better. 

I am more shocked about Hill's release. He looked really good last year. No idea this year in his minimal chances, but certainly nothing "bad".  Makes me wonder about other issues? 

 

[homer]

They could have gotten Nico Collins...so it was either Rodgers or Collins at #85.

They chose the wrong guy.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Completely useless player. One of the worst I've seen in recent memory. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

Did we really like him or was he the last one and we panicked to get one? Could be one or both.

Actually, it is a little too bad that they didn't just pull him from being the PR on his previous fumble (or in TC as I advocated).  Not that he is going to be a great WR and AR had issues with him at WR... we a so thin, he still did provide some minimal floor. 

I'm going to predict that someone grabs him and he provides some modest benefit as a WR for a team. Maybe a new scheme or new QB fits him better. 

I am more shocked about Hill's release. He looked really good last year. No idea this year in his minimal chances, but certainly nothing "bad".  Makes me wonder about other issues? 

 

He can't catch. And if he couldn't break through on this roster, wowza, good luck.

[CheezWizHed]

I didn't see any catch issues this year.  Running routes...sure, but not catching.  I think the bigger part (as a WR) was being in Rodger's doghouse. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It's hard to have catch issues when you've caught 8 passes in your career but he sure can't field a punt. I agree he will be signed by someone on pedigree alone...but I think he sucks and it will be brief.

[LouisEly]

2 hours ago, homer said:

They could have gotten Nico Collins...so it was either Rodgers or Collins at #85.

They chose the wrong guy.

Or they could have stayed put and followed my advice and drafted this guy.

(For the record, I didn't think that Stokes would still be around in the first.)

[Sixtolezcano]

Looks like Kylin Hill was also placed on waivers today. I know there was at least one poster on this site that had a very high regard for him and even suggested that he would replace Aaron Jones in the Packer backfield in 2023. Thank goodness that didn’t happen, replacing an all-pro running back with a unproven first year player with very little experience that was just removed from an ACL and apparently with poor practice habits and a poor attitude per Coach LaFleur’s quote from ESPN:

The Packers also released running back Kylin Hill, a 2021 seventh-round pick who played two games this season following his return from a torn ACL last year.

As opposed to Rodgers, who coach Matt LaFleur said was released solely because of a lack of production but not a lack of effort, the move with Hill fell into a different category.

"I realize he is in a loaded [running back] room, but regardless of your role -- no matter how big or how small -- we expect guys to come to work and just be supportive and own that role to the best of their ability," LaFleur said. "When you don't do that, this is what happens."

 

[CheezWizHed]

3 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

It's hard to have catch issues when you've caught 8 passes in your career but he sure can't field a punt. I agree he will be signed by someone on pedigree alone...but I think he sucks and it will be brief.

Agreed on punts, but that is very different than catching passes. Maybe he'll be a complete washout.  But I'm guessing he will click better with another QB.  He couldn't just get out of the other Rodger's doghouse.

On a related note, Nixon looked very comfortable catching punts.  Even on the one above his head, he looked in control back there far more than Rodgers ever did.

[UpandIn]

15 hours ago, homer said:

Surprised about Hill getting released. I liked him.

That was apparently a message sending cut. LaFleur said it was more about off-field stuff.

From what I see I don't like that. He looked like he was a REALLY good #2 RB, fit this system and could have had a big role next year if Jones was gone, but you can't if he's whining about a lack of touches and complaining about his playing time and just a malcontent, you can't keep a guy like that on your team. Well...normally. The old saying, "be who you can afford to be," comes into play here. 

He was a guy who looked like he fit the scheme, but he couldn't afford to be a dick and complaining at this point. 

[UpandIn]

9 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Looks like Kylin Hill was also placed on waivers today. I know there was at least one poster on this site that had a very high regard for him and even suggested that he would replace Aaron Jones in the Packer backfield in 2023. Thank goodness that didn’t happen, replacing an all-pro running back with a unproven first year player with very little experience that was just removed from an ACL and apparently with poor practice habits and a poor attitude per Coach LaFleur’s quote from ESPN:

The Packers also released running back Kylin Hill, a 2021 seventh-round pick who played two games this season following his return from a torn ACL last year.

As opposed to Rodgers, who coach Matt LaFleur said was released solely because of a lack of production but not a lack of effort, the move with Hill fell into a different category.

"I realize he is in a loaded [running back] room, but regardless of your role -- no matter how big or how small -- we expect guys to come to work and just be supportive and own that role to the best of their ability," LaFleur said. "When you don't do that, this is what happens."

 

From a poster who wanted to cut Watson this past week, there are a WHOLE lot of flaws here. 

1-Aaron Jones has never been an All-Pro, he's been a 1X Pro-Bowl RB. Also nobody WANTS to replace Aaron Jones next year. He's obviously our best offensive player. But you gonna pay him like a #1 WRer? A 28 year old RB who has a cap hit over 20M next year, what do YOU propose they do? Another extension?
2-You can just say my name. And I was hardly the only one who thought Hill would take over Jones role next year, again given...it's very unlikely Jones is brought back with a 20+M cap hit.
https://www.packers.com/video/aj-dillon-on-kylin-hill-he-s-like-a-young-aaron-jones
3-How would he have been a 1st year RB? He's literally playing on the team THIS year and you know he got hurt LAST year. That's 3 years. So a 3rd year RB. 
4-Obviously I didn't know he was being a dick. Just that Aaron Jones is likely gone and Kylin Hill is a very good runner and we needed someone to replace him.
5-Even if he WAS a 1st year player...we're still most likely going to replace Aaron Jones with a 1st year player next year unless they go deeper into the future and extend Jones for 2-3 more years. Generally not a good idea for RBs. 

[UpandIn]

8 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Agreed on punts, but that is very different than catching passes. Maybe he'll be a complete washout.  But I'm guessing he will click better with another QB.  He couldn't just get out of the other Rodger's doghouse.

On a related note, Nixon looked very comfortable catching punts.  Even on the one above his head, he looked in control back there far more than Rodgers ever did.

He was kinda dead in the water when Cobb came in with Rodgers. 

He showed absolutely nothing his first year. This year he's looked more like an athlete, but when Rodgers was asked about him as a WRer, he made it very clear he was not a fan by saying something like, 'he's returning punts right now...so, yeah.'

They stuck with him waaay too long returning punts. I agree, he could definitely still have a role with a team. KC seems to be collecting WRers. He hasn't done much, but he's blocked well on WRer screens and he's been not terrible in a few snaps. 

Nixon looked more comfortable catching them(the first one made me nervous, but the 2nd was on the move and clean)...but he also showed better instincts than Rodgers. 

[UpandIn]

On 11/11/2022 at 8:17 AM, CheezWizHed said:

Even if you think one or two of our WRs are going to develop and if Bakh's knee is going to be sound... you still have to deal with numerous FAs, player options, etc (listed above) along with a tightening cap.  If we could simply keep this team, add draft picks and develop a year then maybe you run the team another try.  But we somehow to have resign people to fill the holes...

The cap ain't tightening any more than it did this past off-season. And we saw how they pushed ~75M down the road. 

With the cap going up, they'll be able to keep their key FAs...if they want to. But they've pretty much got to decide this off-season if they're keeping Rodgers for another TWO years or they have to move him this off-season. The '23 option guarantees the '25 salary. 

Obviously if you do that, you have to have a lot of confidence in a lot of young young players. It also would just take a lot of balls to do that unless we see something from Love. I don't anticipate it being an issue, but if we're out of it with ~4 games remaining...you gotta try and play Love. Try and get some idea what he looks like. There's three ways we could go. Love, run it back a couple more times with Rodgers and stay in this kinda all in, right now mindset, OR in this draft with all these QBs, do you hit reset and just go after a 21 year old kid from the SEC or wherever. 

Rodgers also has the option to restructure his contract to help create more room, but given the fact that he took his money in bitcoin, he may not be real keen on doing that. 

The whole roster looks like a cluster#$% right now, but they have 7 more games to get a better feel of the young talent they have. To see if Watson can catch the ball reliably. Stokes and Doubs likely won't have much time, but Nixon, Ford, Toure, plus all the more obvious ones, they'll probably give the front office a better idea of what direction to go.

They REALLY need to know what Jenkins and Bakh are going to look like, see if they can come back. Otherwise you're going to have 3 of your 5-6 most important players with lingering questions about their health as Gary likely won't be back until a month into next season if all goes well(though he is a freak and obviously a hard worker, so who knows). 

 

I have no idea what I'd do with this roster. I don't know what Eric Stokes is. He looked like an elite lockdown CB giving us the NFLs top duo, this year he looked out of place. Just counting on him to bounce back is a big risk as it hasn't worked with Savage. TJ Slaton is another player who's not been impressive. Probably better to go back with Clark at NT and then rotate Slaton in. Better yet, fire Barry since he hasn't gotten the most out of this defense answering the question...to my mind, was he bad because of the players in Det and Wash, or was he bad because he's just bad.  

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

3 hours ago, UpandIn said:

3-How would he have been a 1st year RB? He's literally playing on the team THIS year and you know he got hurt LAST year. That's 3 years. So a 3rd year RB. 

Hill was drafted in 2021, and blew out his ACL a few games into his rookie year. He's a 2nd year RB. Although I understand the argument that he's kind of a 1st year guy in regards to experience. Definitely not a 3rd year RB though.

[MrTPlush]

Rodger's doghouse?

How about the team's doghouse in general. He sucked, so I don't think Rodgers, MLF, or anyone else was really a fan of him. Heck, this year you could suck and still see plenty of playing time. Considering we have been running such a short game offensively it should have also opened up his opportunities in the slot. It did not though, because he sucked and was almost never open. 

[UpandIn]

8 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Hill was drafted in 2021, and blew out his ACL a few games into his rookie year. He's a 2nd year RB. Although I understand the argument that he's kind of a 1st year guy in regards to experience. Definitely not a 3rd year RB though.

Yes, but if he's taking over in 2023 for Aaron Jones, he'd be a 3rd year player at that point.

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

36 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

Yes, but if he's taking over in 2023 for Aaron Jones, he'd be a 3rd year player at that point.

 

Yep ... perhaps I didn't grasp the full context.

In any case, Hill must have been a pretty big knucklehead if the Packers cut ties this soon after sticking with him through his full rehab.

[UpandIn]

14 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Yep ... perhaps I didn't grasp the full context.

In any case, Hill must have been a pretty big knucklehead if the Packers cut ties this soon after sticking with him through his full rehab.

He must have gotten into it with the coaches and I doubt it was a one time thing. Oh well. I think he was a talented back...he came all the way back from that ugly injury, so yeah, it had to have been pretty egregious. 

 

 

[Samurai Bucky]

7 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

He must have gotten into it with the coaches and I doubt it was a one time thing. Oh well. I think he was a talented back...he came all the way back from that ugly injury, so yeah, it had to have been pretty egregious. 

There is a chance he could still end up on the practice squad.  He needs to clear waivers, first.

The Packers kept their end of the bargain by using an injury activation this year for him.  If he does clear waivers, he might come back hat in hand and ask for another chance to prove himself.  We'll see.