Brewers acquire Trevor Rosenthal

[JefferyLeonard]

27 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

Of course it is.  Stearns definitely should have MADE the other GMs do the deals.

 

You have a strange vendetta against the best GM this team has ever had. 

I don't necessarily have a vandetta. But let me give you an example, Of what I'd like to see sometime. Let's use DS's own words for this exercise. He mentioned how they have never made one outgoing call about Hader, but essentially that the package SD put in front of them was too good to turn down. Okay, I get that if that's how he felt. But...isn't the reverse also true?? Has DS ever put a package in front of a team (that maybe wasn't looking to trade a particular player), that they just couldn't say no too?? 

 

Now of course we will never know for sure, but given the way DS operates, I think it's fair to assume the answer is more than likely no. Well, why not?? Why can't they ever have a deadline like the Padres just did, and just once be the "big winners" at the deadline?? The window is only open for so long, and for a small market team, when you have that window you MUST do everything you can to take advantage of it, because that window may never come around again, or at least not for a really long time. 

I look at what the Padres gave up for Soto and I think..."okay there is no way the Brewers couldn't have given an offer just as good(if not better) than the Padres, right?? Sure they could have. Okay so many would say "you empty the farm then". Do you?? The Padres didn't. Also, in reagrds to that, keep in mind, even if you do trade "prospects"(and that's all they are btw), you have Soto for two years(where the $$ isn't prohibitive) to capitalize on the window you have. After that you trade him again and perhaps even get more than what you originally gave up. And no less than what you gave up for sure. So, why aren't the Brewers more aggressive at the deadline?? That always leaves me scratching my head. 

[Hopper]

1 hour ago, djoctagone said:

 

UGGGH!

[beekay414]

17 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Oh I don't know, maybe the Brewers not finding hitting at the price they wanted to spend is the reason Stearns acquired a bunch of pitchers. If we can't score more runs it stands to reason they'd do whatever they could to help prevent runs from scoring.

Get a bunch of new pitchers, throw them at the wall and see what sticks.

I don't think price had anything to do with it. I think this is the philosophy we've been building towards the last few seasons. We've been drafting high quality fielders, contact bats and tooled up arms. I'm sure, if the MLB shift ban does indeed come, we're going to be playing a less long ball oriented game going forward and we're going to be built on contact, defense and pitching.

[bulldogboy0733]

Deadline stunk as far as I am concerned. I think it is hard to have a gm making moves for you when nobody is sure how long he wants to be around. I am stunned to give up Peters so easy. Went to see Chourio and was really impressed by him. 

[Oxy]

10 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

II look at what the Padres gave up for Soto and I think..."okay there is no way the Brewers couldn't have given an offer just as good(if not better) than the Padres, right?? Sure they could have. Okay so many would say "you empty the farm then". Do you?? The Padres didn't. Also, in reagrds to that, keep in mind, even if you do trade "prospects"(and that's all they are btw), you have Soto for two years(where the $$ isn't prohibitive) to capitalize on the window you have. After that you trade him again and perhaps even get more than what you originally gave up. And no less than what you gave up for sure. So, why aren't the Brewers more aggressive at the deadline?? That always leaves me scratching my head. 

I'm pretty sure that every sentence in this paragraph is incorrect.

[BigDaddy1974]

Stearns rarely wins the deadline. His best trades are well before the deadline like Rowdy and Adames. Or during the off season like the Yelich and Lauer/Urias deals. Most of his years in Milwaukee his deadline deals seem to be underwhelming.

[Axman59]

This move is indefensible. Stearns has lost his mind.

[Robocaller]

I like this trade least of all.

Peters isn't destined for major league greatness, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's on a ML roster for 2.5 years over a 5 year period. Those guys have some value. 

I don't know that Rosenthal has any value.

 

[igor67]

My best argument for a low internal valuation on Peterson would be the combination of a lot of blocking OF prospects above him and being very limited defensively. Even with that though given that he didn't need to be added to the 40 man anytime soon I don't think we got good value back for him. It's possible we might if Rosenthal pitches well, but that's a pretty big question mark.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I think the most patient and optimistic among us were fine with the way the team approached the offseason and building the 2022 roster when others weren't because we all figured they'd see the arms they're blessed with in this small window and they'd supplement the offense by the deadline at the latest. I'm stunned that August 2 has come and gone and they didn't add a single MLB bat. I'm a Stearns guy and pleased with Mark A. as an owner but I can't figure out what they're thinking here. 

[Jopal78]

They have more talent on the 26 man than they did Sunday, so I guess it was okay. 
 

But the Dodgers, Padres and Mets arguably had more talent than Milwaukee Sunday and they didn’t close that gap.

 

As for Rosenthal, he’s good when he’s healthy but he’s never healthy. I’d be surprised if Peter’s becomes a player in the majors so it’s kind of a push

[homer]

1 hour ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Then they should have moved earlier.

Pretty easy to say in hindsight. We have no idea how it went down. Very possible the Brewers had a deal then the Nats pulled it back and said they had a better offer from San Diego. Or maybe the Brewers made an offer two weeks ago and the Nats said they wanted to wait a while.

[StearnsFTW]

48 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I don't necessarily have a vandetta. But let me give you an example, Of what I'd like to see sometime. Let's use DS's own words for this exercise. He mentioned how they have never made one outgoing call about Hader, but essentially that the package SD put in front of them was too good to turn down. Okay, I get that if that's how he felt. But...isn't the reverse also true?? Has DS ever put a package in front of a team (that maybe wasn't looking to trade a particular player), that they just couldn't say no too?? 

 

Now of course we will never know for sure, but given the way DS operates, I think it's fair to assume the answer is more than likely no. Well, why not?? Why can't they ever have a deadline like the Padres just did, and just once be the "big winners" at the deadline?? The window is only open for so long, and for a small market team, when you have that window you MUST do everything you can to take advantage of it, because that window may never come around again, or at least not for a really long time. 

I look at what the Padres gave up for Soto and I think..."okay there is no way the Brewers couldn't have given an offer just as good(if not better) than the Padres, right?? Sure they could have. Okay so many would say "you empty the farm then". Do you?? The Padres didn't. Also, in reagrds to that, keep in mind, even if you do trade "prospects"(and that's all they are btw), you have Soto for two years(where the $$ isn't prohibitive) to capitalize on the window you have. After that you trade him again and perhaps even get more than what you originally gave up. And no less than what you gave up for sure. So, why aren't the Brewers more aggressive at the deadline?? That always leaves me scratching my head. 

Good post.  I'm glad you explained your thought process.

 

My simple answer is that that is not how Stearns thinks, and he most likely never will.  He understands that with the payroll we have we can't really do that because we'll be completely screwed when we fall short (which is by far the likeliest result).

 

I personally also think that Attanasio has become this way recently too.

 

And I think Yelich's contract looking like a complete disaster is part of it.  At least from MA's perspective. 

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, bulldogboy0733 said:

Deadline stunk as far as I am concerned. I think it is hard to have a gm making moves for you when nobody is sure how long he wants to be around. I am stunned to give up Peters so easy. Went to see Chourio and was really impressed by him. 

If our deadline was as bad as many are making it out to be, why would the Mets (who already have a better record & World Series odds than us with their current FO) even want Stearns to begin with?

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Brewers pick up all of the $4.5M owed Rosenthal and give up a prospect.  Seems like just picking up the salary would have been enough to get Rosenthal.  Hard to see the downside to this trade from the Giants perspective.  As a Brewer fan, I see a lot of downside.  Just sucking up $4.5M for the chance to get Rosenthal in Sept and having him be effective seems silly.  Giving up a low level prospect is even dumber.

[brewcrewdue80]

2 hours ago, SRB said:

"10 innings" of a great reliever in the postseason is far more valuable than a low-level prospect. The prospect obsession on here is crazy.

What bothers me is Peter's line for his first season of pro play.

.306

.386

.485

.871

101hits  22 doubles 8! Triples 7HRs 51RBI 13SB 6CS 45BB/61 KS

Age 22 promoting to AA.  

Garrett Mitchell hasn't produced that line.

Sal Frelick your top 100 prospect just about put up that number this year.

How do you justify trading Sal Frelick for whatever Rosenthal at maybe 15IP might provide?

If ever a Corey Ray trade worthy player was out there its the prospect of a 2yrs removed from baseball Rosenthal who maybe returns to pitching this year.

Not Peter's and what he's already done his 1st year that earned him a AA promotion.

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, Robocaller said:

I like this trade least of all.

Peters isn't destined for major league greatness, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's on a ML roster for 2.5 years over a 5 year period. Those guys have some value. 

I don't know that Rosenthal has any value.

 

Yep. You don't have to be a prospect hugger to think Peters was too high a price to pay for Rosenthal.

[wibadgers23]

Probably the dumbest trade Stearns has made. I don’t know even know what to say about this one.

[Never Outhustled]

2 hours ago, SRB said:

"10 innings" of a great reliever in the postseason is far more valuable than a low-level prospect. The prospect obsession on here is crazy.

I love how you keep calling Rosenthal a great reliever despite the fact that he doesn't even actually pitch, while you call a top 20 prospect Peters "a low level guy". 

 

Meanwhile, we have Pedro Severino pinch hitting in big spots and playing 1st base. Seems like we must have made some mistakes a long the way. 

[UpandIn]

2 hours ago, beekay414 said:

I don't think price had anything to do with it. I think this is the philosophy we've been building towards the last few seasons. We've been drafting high quality fielders, contact bats and tooled up arms. I'm sure, if the MLB shift ban does indeed come, we're going to be playing a less long ball oriented game going forward and we're going to be built on contact, defense and pitching.

That's hypothetical at the MLB level and only being implemented in the lower levels of the minors. But yeah, I'm sure irrespective of the shift and if it is limited, we're going to want to build more on contact, defense and pitching.

And Stearns has repeatedly stated his goal was to build up pitching depth and then use that to deal for positions players as needed. Well...they're needed. Doesn't  have to be Juan Soto, but we're just going to go through the Burnes, Woodruff years with seemingly zero sense of urgency?

[Never Outhustled]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

If our deadline was as bad as many are making it out to be, why would the Mets (who already have a better record & World Series odds than us with their current FO) even want Stearns to begin with?

Who says they still do?

[Never Outhustled]

Since he last pitched in the majors, Rosenthal had thoracic outlet syndrome surgery and hip labrum surgery. He's 36 years old. He's presently dealing with a hamstring strain.

He's no sure thing he becomes available in September, and if he does, he's unlikely to make it to October. 

[MVP2110]

I don't get this one. The Brewers just had a chance to sign him. I don't think Peters is some great prospect but having to give up any decent prospect for a guy you could have signed 3 weeks ago is a bad look. They really must have been impressed with his workout, it seems like they have been after him for awhile

[Never Outhustled]

3 hours ago, SRB said:

"10 innings" of a great reliever in the postseason is far more valuable than a low-level prospect. The prospect obsession on here is crazy.

The last time Rosenthal pitched in the postseason he gave up 6 runs in 4 innings.

[Never Outhustled]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

What bothers me is Peter's line for his first season of pro play.

.306

.386

.485

.871

101hits  22 doubles 8! Triples 7HRs 51RBI 13SB 6CS 45BB/61 KS

Age 22 promoting to AA.  

Garrett Mitchell hasn't produced that line.

Sal Frelick your top 100 prospect just about put up that number this year.

How do you justify trading Sal Frelick for whatever Rosenthal at maybe 15IP might provide?

If ever a Corey Ray trade worthy player was out there its the prospect of a 2yrs removed from baseball Rosenthal who maybe returns to pitching this year.

Not Peter's and what he's already done his 1st year that earned him a AA promotion.

 

Peter's reminds me of a left handed Garret Cooper. 

 

I wish Stearns hadn't made that wretched Garret Cooper trade.