Corbin Burnes Trade Thread

[UpandIn]

5 hours ago, SF70 said:

Lots of valid points you make, especially with Friedman holding his best prospects, but we’ll see what happens this offseason and if he’s maybe feeling a tad more pressure to build a postseason team vs a regular season team, and if that’s how he feels, Miller, Stone and Vargas won’t trump Burnes in the playoffs of ‘23.

Ok...lets say, hypothetically, the Dodgers are on board, but they want Williams back. Burnes+Williams for Vargas/Miller/Stone/Pepiot/Bruns

You making that deal? How about if they want Garrett Mitchell? They're sick of waiting for Bellinger to get going, they want an athletic OFer with 5 tools and upside to patrol CF. 

So basically it's Williams and Mitchell for Pepiot and Bruns...who's got as much upside as any of their pitchers, but he's so far away. 

[SF70]

9 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

Ok...lets say, hypothetically, the Dodgers are on board, but they want Williams back. Burnes+Williams for Vargas/Miller/Stone/Pepiot/Bruns

You making that deal? How about if they want Garrett Mitchell? They're sick of waiting for Bellinger to get going, they want an athletic OFer with 5 tools and upside to patrol CF. 

So basically it's Williams and Mitchell for Pepiot and Bruns...who's got as much upside as any of their pitchers, but he's so far away. 

No Mitchell. He’s untradable at this point for me.

But I do Burnes & Williams for: Vargas & Stone & Miller & Pepiot & Bruns.

Stockpile as many young, big-arms as possible and go make a 6 year run unlike any this franchise has ever made.

[Jopal78]

No surprise it’s a bear market for Brewer major leaguers and a bull market on prospects. 
 

If the Brewers were going to trade either of Burnes or Williams it means the long rebuild with likely some tanking is here. If so, they’d absolutely do better shipping them off in separate deals than together  in a package. 

[UpandIn]

11 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

No surprise it’s a bear market for Brewer major leaguers and a bull market on prospects. 
 

If the Brewers were going to trade either of Burnes or Williams it means the long rebuild with likely some tanking is here. If so, they’d absolutely do better shipping them off in separate deals than together  in a package. 

And what deal do you think is going to be better than;

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 Vargas & Stone & Miller & Pepiot & Bruns

 

[UpandIn]

13 hours ago, SF70 said:

No Mitchell. He’s untradable at this point for me.

But I do Burnes & Williams for: Vargas & Stone & Miller & Pepiot & Bruns.

Stockpile as many young, big-arms as possible and go make a 6 year run unlike any this franchise has ever made.

I like Mitchell, but I'm not as bullish on him....but fair enough. 

That's 4 pitchers, 3 who are MLB ready, a corner IFer who should hit for average and power, and a young pitcher who could very easily be a closer by '24...or an ace. He does have a upper 90s FB and 2 other plus pitches. 

 

 

[SF70]

14 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

No surprise it’s a bear market for Brewer major leaguers and a bull market on prospects. 
 

If the Brewers were going to trade either of Burnes or Williams it means the long rebuild with likely some tanking is here. If so, they’d absolutely do better shipping them off in separate deals than together  in a package. 

You could very well be right, Williams probably brings back more separated from Burnes, but to get back 4 arms the caliber of Dodgers arms we’d get into our system where 3 of them likely help this team before the end of the ‘23 season is impeccable timing and makes the trade too good to pass-up for me.

Which is also why I disagree with your “long rebuild” theory. The new rules make the timing of our rookies playing next season impeccable as well. The high floor, speed and defense helps offset some of the development pains in the box, imo.

The money savings from no Burnes, Renfroe, Wong, and Tellez can be used to add a veteran starter, and re-make the bullpen until Pepiot, Gasser, Miller and Stone are pitching out of it. It should also allow for a strong 6-man rotation when it’s needed.

Adding those arms also makes trading Woodruff and Lauer next offseason less painful, with a potential ‘24 rotation of Peralta, Ashby, Houser/Gasser/Miller/Stone/Pepiot.

I think the team will extend Adames but if not, they can also trade him or keep him for the draft pick. Which they could also decide to do that with Woodruff as well, because of the arms acquired from the Burnes/Williams trade.

 

[jay87shot]

I am starting to like Burnes to Atlanta a lot. We could get 2 of Contreras, Grissom, or Muller (maybe Ian Anderson) and they have a blend of interesting arms through their system. The Braves don't have much space for Contreras or Grissom (if they resign Swanson) when fully healthy so adding Burnes to Strider, Fried, Wright, and Morton would be sick.

Contreras, Grissom, and Ian Anderson for Burnes and Taylor/Urias. Not sure what Andersons' value is but he seems expendable if getting Burnes. Then that would allow us to trade Adames to LAD (or wherever) for a couple strong pitchers. Atl could also be interested in Willy if Swanson signs elsewhere.

[SF70]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

I am starting to like Burnes to Atlanta a lot. We could get 2 of Contreras, Grissom, or Muller (maybe Ian Anderson) and they have a blend of interesting arms through their system. The Braves don't have much space for Contreras or Grissom (if they resign Swanson) when fully healthy so adding Burnes to Strider, Fried, Wright, and Morton would be sick.

Contreras, Grissom, and Ian Anderson for Burnes and Taylor/Urias. Not sure what Andersons' value is but he seems expendable if getting Burnes. Then that would allow us to trade Adames to LAD (or wherever) for a couple strong pitchers. Atl could also be interested in Willy if Swanson signs elsewhere.

I don’t really like the Braves pitching prospects outside of Muller, but if they would do Kyle Wright with Muller and Contreras, I’d probably do that deal. 

4 years of a #2/3 like Wright, and 5 years of Muller/Contreras accomplishes both of contending now and extending contention into the future.

[DR28]

Jesus *****, I hope this isnt true....

Nov. 8: Are Burnes and Devers potential trade candidates?
Brewers ace Corbin Burnes and Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers are among the most surprising names MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has heard mentioned as potential trade candidates during the General Managers Meetings.

[nate82]

7 hours ago, DR28 said:

Jesus *****, I hope this isnt true....

Nov. 8: Are Burnes and Devers potential trade candidates?
Brewers ace Corbin Burnes and Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers are among the most surprising names MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has heard mentioned as potential trade candidates during the General Managers Meetings.

The article that is linked doesn't really say all that much other than their names have been floated around which is kind of a duh statement.  

 

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Other names mentioned as potential trade candidates this offseason included Brewers right-hander Corbin Burnes, Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers and Athletics catcher Sean Murphy.

 

[Matt Breen]

On 11/9/2022 at 2:02 PM, DR28 said:

Jesus *****, I hope this isnt true....

Nov. 8: Are Burnes and Devers potential trade candidates?
Brewers ace Corbin Burnes and Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers are among the most surprising names MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has heard mentioned as potential trade candidates during the General Managers Meetings.

I think pretty much any outstanding player on a small market team that is approaching FA (within a year or two) is talked about as a trade candidate. That's not a criticism - it's reality. Teams like Milwaukee have to constantly churn talent - and really good players net you really good returns. 

I'm not in the 'we gotta trade Burnes' camp - but I say you always should be looking to maximize your assets. So listening can't hurt. The big issue is if it become inevitable - and such a move hangs over the organization until it's completed. I think that's why Milwaukee has always been so tight-lipped about deals. They talk about just about every person - but things rarely happen.

[UpandIn]

On 11/7/2022 at 9:06 AM, SF70 said:

I don’t really like the Braves pitching prospects outside of Muller, but if they would do Kyle Wright with Muller and Contreras, I’d probably do that deal. 

4 years of a #2/3 like Wright, and 5 years of Muller/Contreras accomplishes both of contending now and extending contention into the future.

Strider?

I'll trade Burnes for Strider straight up...see if we can't get him to throw a 2 seamer, find a 3rd pitch and you've got a DOMINANT pitcher. 

But as far as the Braves farm system...even with I think like 9 of their top 10 prospects being pitchers, it's not great. They've graduated and signed most of their young talent. 

[jay87shot]

I know 3 team trades rarely work out but how do these sound.

1)Burnes to LAD, Andy Pagas to TBR, we get Miller, Nastini, Sheehan from LAD and Yandy Diaz and Pete Fairbanks from TBR.

We get 3 guys who can have big roles this year and to quality minor league arms, Dodgers get Burnes for there 2,5, 12,22 prospects, Rays get a high end OF prospect and save some money.

2)Burnes to Sea, Oakland gets Jared Kelenic, Kyle Lewis, Keston Huira, Ethan Small, we get Sean Murphy from Oak and Emerson Hancock, and Prelander Berroa

We get a stud young C and high end pitching prospect (+high potential Berroa) Mariners go all in without giving up any contributers and the A's get 2 high upside OF and 2 guys with upside a rebuilding team could use.

3) Burnes, Taylor, and Keston to CWS, Oscar Coles to KCR, we get Kopech, Andrew Vaughn, and Scott Barlow and TJ Siekemma

Admittedly this is a bit of a strectch but the Sox get Burnes and two contributers for 2 young high upside guys (Vaughn blocked at 1B if they resign Abreu), the Royals turn a reliever into a high upside mlb ready prospect. We get a young #3, solid 1B, 8th inning guy, and decent pitching prospect.

4)O's get Burnes and Taylor, Marlins get Cedric Mullins, we get Edward Cabrera, Tanner Scott Jordan Westburg, and DL Hall

O's don't give up a top/top prospect for Burnes, the Marlins turn pitching into hitting, we get a high end starter, 3B, 8th inning guy, and high potential arm.

 

[Aeroguy32]

What about this trade with the dodgers? The second base market is very week this year. If you get lux who can play 2b, 3b or ss you can trade wrong who still has value. Lux is also a hometown kid so that would lessen the blow of losing burnes a little. Miller is ready to start this coming up year and Vargas can play 3b and 1b like others have stated. He's a contact hitter with great strike zone discipline. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

19 minutes ago, Aeroguy32 said:

What about this trade with the dodgers? The second base market is very week this year. If you get lux who can play 2b, 3b or ss you can trade wrong who still has value. Lux is also a hometown kid so that would lessen the blow of losing burnes a little. Miller is ready to start this coming up year and Vargas can play 3b and 1b like others have stated. He's a contact hitter with great strike zone discipline. 

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[wibadgers23]

24 minutes ago, Aeroguy32 said:

What about this trade with the dodgers? The second base market is very week this year. If you get lux who can play 2b, 3b or ss you can trade wrong who still has value. Lux is also a hometown kid so that would lessen the blow of losing burnes a little. Miller is ready to start this coming up year and Vargas can play 3b and 1b like others have stated. He's a contact hitter with great strike zone discipline. 

I really like this trade.  You get a stud pitching prospect and two very good infield prospects who are major league ready.  You'd just have to figure out what to with Wong if Lux is your 2B.

[jay87shot]

3 hours ago, Aeroguy32 said:

What about this trade with the dodgers? The second base market is very week this year. If you get lux who can play 2b, 3b or ss you can trade wrong who still has value. Lux is also a hometown kid so that would lessen the blow of losing burnes a little. Miller is ready to start this coming up year and Vargas can play 3b and 1b like others have stated. He's a contact hitter with great strike zone discipline. 

I like Lux alot, however if we want a 2B from the Dodgers I would prefer Michael Busch over Lux. I would guess they would have similar value. Busch has more power and control, however you trade would be pretty solid.

[Brewcrew82]

23 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

I like Lux alot, however if we want a 2B from the Dodgers I would prefer Michael Busch over Lux. I would guess they would have similar value. Busch has more power and control, however you trade would be pretty solid.

Gavin Lux is overrated IMO. He's good, no doubt. But I don't think he'll give us much more than what we should be able to receive from Brice Turang. I'd rather have that value converted into more upper-level prospects. 

[brewcrewdue80]

14 hours ago, Aeroguy32 said:

What about this trade with the dodgers? The second base market is very week this year. If you get lux who can play 2b, 3b or ss you can trade wrong who still has value. Lux is also a hometown kid so that would lessen the blow of losing burnes a little. Miller is ready to start this coming up year and Vargas can play 3b and 1b like others have stated. He's a contact hitter with great strike zone discipline. 

All I needed to see was Vargas at 1b/3b and I'm intrigued immensely.  I wouldnt go Lux or Miller.  I'm taking the Dodgers #1 catcher Cartaya and then a 2024 SP Nick Nastrini.  You would find long term solutions at 1b and C.  Since you don't need SP right away in 2023- Nastrini needs a full season in AAA while Miller does not and both on the same IP ladder. Nastrini has a familiar minors line-Freddy Peralta. Low hits off of and high Ks to IP.  Now if we take Nastrini, do we get a lottery ticket to add in value?  Cartaya is 8th vs Miller 26th on MLB ranks. Nastrini isn't in top 100 and Lux is about Miller's value So I'd assume so.

Michael Grove got in 29IP with 6starts and 1 RP. #24 on MLB list. Would fit a RP/Emergency SP to plug right away for '23.

[UpandIn]

18 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I know 3 team trades rarely work out but how do these sound.

1)Burnes to LAD, Andy Pagas to TBR, we get Miller, Nastini, Sheehan from LAD and Yandy Diaz and Pete Fairbanks from TBR.

We get 3 guys who can have big roles this year and to quality minor league arms, Dodgers get Burnes for there 2,5, 12,22 prospects, Rays get a high end OF prospect and save some money.

2)Burnes to Sea, Oakland gets Jared Kelenic, Kyle Lewis, Keston Huira, Ethan Small, we get Sean Murphy from Oak and Emerson Hancock, and Prelander Berroa

We get a stud young C and high end pitching prospect (+high potential Berroa) Mariners go all in without giving up any contributers and the A's get 2 high upside OF and 2 guys with upside a rebuilding team could use.

3) Burnes, Taylor, and Keston to CWS, Oscar Coles to KCR, we get Kopech, Andrew Vaughn, and Scott Barlow and TJ Siekemma

Admittedly this is a bit of a strectch but the Sox get Burnes and two contributers for 2 young high upside guys (Vaughn blocked at 1B if they resign Abreu), the Royals turn a reliever into a high upside mlb ready prospect. We get a young #3, solid 1B, 8th inning guy, and decent pitching prospect.

4)O's get Burnes and Taylor, Marlins get Cedric Mullins, we get Edward Cabrera, Tanner Scott Jordan Westburg, and DL Hall

O's don't give up a top/top prospect for Burnes, the Marlins turn pitching into hitting, we get a high end starter, 3B, 8th inning guy, and high potential arm.

 

Well, I think they're all unrealistic(just the 3 team aspect of it), but so are most of the ones I've proposed, but this at least look closer to the type of value he's worth!

1-I'd do it. Get a closer(I am without merit, I know, but I don't trust Williams). Diaz...high OBP is always nice. And we were never getting 4 top 7 prospects from LAD, so I'd do this. You're underselling Fairbanks in this one. 

2-I like it as well...the only issue I have is 3 years of Murphy while you're waiting for the pitching, but Hancock is a nice pitching prospect. A solid step above Gasser....but the shoulder injuries are concerning, so I'd probably pass on this one, but...that's just based on glancing at a scouting report.

3-I like this, but I think ChW are going with Vaughn as their everyday 1B(though Burnes could change their mind). Kopech...if we can unlock him, he could definitely break out.

4-I'd definitely jump on this. I think Cabrera has #2/3 type stuff(if everything clicks...higher). Scott seems like the type of guy we could get a little more out of. 

Marlins trade from a position of strength...and get a couple years of Mullins. 

I think I'd go 1, 4, 2, 3. 

[UpandIn]

On 11/9/2022 at 2:02 PM, DR28 said:

Jesus *****, I hope this isnt true....

Nov. 8: Are Burnes and Devers potential trade candidates?
Brewers ace Corbin Burnes and Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers are among the most surprising names MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has heard mentioned as potential trade candidates during the General Managers Meetings.

I don't care if it's true. I just hope it takes one of the stupid, unrealistic trades we've been suggesting on here in order to facilitate it(mine as much/more than anyone's....other than maybe Grayson Rodriguez+Jackson Holliday+2 more prospects?).

But c'mon Andrew Friedman...pony up Miguel Vargas, Bobby Miller, Ryan Pepiot and Gavin Stone, we'll throw in another prospect if need be. 

I mean, this IS an organization that traded Yordan Alvarez and Oniel Cruz for a couple middle relievers, so maybe they're not as smart as I originally thought. 

[SF70]

4 hours ago, UpandIn said:

I don't care if it's true. I just hope it takes one of the stupid, unrealistic trades we've been suggesting on here in order to facilitate it(mine as much/more than anyone's....other than maybe Grayson Rodriguez+Jackson Holliday+2 more prospects?).

But c'mon Andrew Friedman...pony up Miguel Vargas, Bobby Miller, Ryan Pepiot and Gavin Stone, we'll throw in another prospect if need be. 

I mean, this IS an organization that traded Yordan Alvarez and Oniel Cruz for a couple middle relievers, so maybe they're not as smart as I originally thought. 

Why all 4 Dodgers prospects which is a big overpay by them?

Take Pepiot or Stone out of that deal and it makes it more likely to happen, don’t you think?

[UpandIn]

7 hours ago, SF70 said:

Why all 4 Dodgers prospects which is a big overpay by them?

Take Pepiot or Stone out of that deal and it makes it more likely to happen, don’t you think?

Because I'd rather have 4 than 3...

[brewcrewdue80]

11 hours ago, SF70 said:

Why all 4 Dodgers prospects which is a big overpay by them?

Take Pepiot or Stone out of that deal and it makes it more likely to happen, don’t you think?

Is it a big overpay? Maybe for the 4 prospects he named, but 4 prospects in a Burnes trade isn't unreasonable.  He's a 40Mil+SP on open market who's liking not reaching half that in Arb the next 2 seasons.  LA will also have the immediate ability to discuss and sign him to an Extension that could save say 5Mil AAV than waiting possibly 2 years to sign him to a FA deal with draft pick QO cost. Something too that if he reached FA with them they would potentially get back a draft pick if somehow lost him to it.  I mentioned my 4 that seem realistic and maybe(likely) an underpay.  Burnes brings so much trade value at the moment you haven't seen this in quite awhile.

[UpandIn]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Is it a big overpay? Maybe for the 4 prospects he named, but 4 prospects in a Burnes trade isn't unreasonable.  He's a 40Mil+SP on open market who's liking not reaching half that in Arb the next 2 seasons.  LA will also have the immediate ability to discuss and sign him to an Extension that could save say 5Mil AAV than waiting possibly 2 years to sign him to a FA deal with draft pick QO cost. Something too that if he reached FA with them they would potentially get back a draft pick if somehow lost him to it.  I mentioned my 4 that seem realistic and maybe(likely) an underpay.  Burnes brings so much trade value at the moment you haven't seen this in quite awhile.

I mean, it probably...almost definitely is a big overpay, but if teams are calling the Brewers for Burnes, then...demand a big overpay. 

3 pitchers who could all be in the rotation next year and a potential ROY candidate at 3B/1B.

But, like you say, this Burnes kid...he's pretty good. Which is why I'd try and extend him or make a team offer such a deal before trading him(at the moment...in a year, it's going to look much less appealing).