Carlos Correa to Mets - 12 Years, $315 Million

[Sixtolezcano]

With the popularity of the younger generation paying to watch gamers play they’re video games, maybe in a couple of years baseball won’t use live players and charge fans to attend virtual baseball. Sure would be cheaper for them…lol.

[sveumrules]

6 minutes ago, jakedood said:

But yeah good point, even if it was redistributed among grassroots etc, where does it currently go?

Non-tax playing clubs currently receive half of the luxury tax money after the first 13 million…

“The Commissioner's Office then redistributes this money in a standard manner. The first $13 million will be used to defray clubs' funding obligations under the MLB Players Benefits Agreements. Of the remaining sum, 50% of the remaining proceeds collected for each Contract Year, with accrued interest, will be used to fund player compensation as described in the MLB Players Benefits Plan Agreements and the other 50% shall be distributed to clubs that did not exceed the Base Tax Threshold in that Contract Year.”

[Harold Hutchison]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

That actually makes a lot of sense. Veteran switch hitter with positional versatility and is already familiar with the team. He seemingly left a good impression in his time here. I can't imagine he'd cost a ton in a trade, either, as the Mets have to be desperate to shed some payroll.

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-116829/

Ran something on Baseball Trade Values:

Mets get:

OF Hedbert Perez

Brewers get:

IF Eduardo Escobar

LHP Javier Atencio

2B/SS Kevin Kendall

[Jopal78]

39 minutes ago, jakedood said:

Given they're in the 90% tax, this would be taking 19 Million off their bill, not that Cohen will care too much

Escobar has a 9.5 million dollar salary this year, with a club option of 9 million for 2024, with a 500K buyout. So it's really just 10 million, and you're right the Mets may decide its a worthwhile expenditure to have the depth, but we can hope I suppose. 

Heck, the Brewers should try to pry away Luis Guillorme. Not much in the slugging department, but a .354 career OBP in over 700 career plate appearances, 103 career strikeouts against 80 walks, and plays 2nd, 3rd and SS. 

[patrickgpe]

46 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

New deal is slightly lower AAV.

13/350 = 26.92

12/315 = 26.25

you are right, i was thinking 15 years for some reason

[Jake McKibbin]

3 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Escobar has a 9.5 million dollar salary this year, with a club option of 9 million for 2024, with a 500K buyout. So it's really just 10 million, and you're right the Mets may decide its a worthwhile expenditure to have the depth, but we can hope I suppose. 

Ahh I added the 90% tax to the cost of the payroll,  so its actually $18.05 million for the mets, just 9.5 for brewers

[StearnsFTW]

29 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-116829/

Ran something on Baseball Trade Values:

Mets get:

OF Hedbert Perez

Brewers get:

IF Eduardo Escobar

LHP Javier Atencio

2B/SS Kevin Kendall

You sure are eager to trade a 19 year old OF who had one bad season.

Once again, this would piss me off big-time.

 

[Jake McKibbin]

2 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

You sure are eager to trade a 19 year old OF who had one bad season.

Once again, this would piss me off big-time.

 

I think its more likely that Escobar would be traded 1 for 1 in this scenario, but given our tons of outfielders and that his promise may be attractive to the mets, I think for 2 years of escobar < $10 Million, its a pretty good deal

 

Cooler heads acknowledged the hit tool risk here, even after Hedbert’s fantastic complex-level season, but not even pragmatic prospect prognosticators predicted he’d have such a rude awakening in full-season ball, where Perez hit .216 in 2022. He still has exciting pull-side power for a left-handed hitter, but the track record of prospects who strike out this much at such a low level isn’t great, and as a left field-only runner and thrower, Perez doesn’t have secondary skills to fall back on.

 

This is the recent assessment by Fangraphs, and he looked wildly out of his depth, Still may have promise, but just as likely, if not more so, could be worth sweet FA, and escobar would really round out this ball club

[StearnsFTW]

11 minutes ago, jakedood said:

I think its more likely that Escobar would be traded 1 for 1 in this scenario, but given our tons of outfielders and that his promise may be attractive to the mets, I think for 2 years of escobar < $10 Million, its a pretty good deal

 

Cooler heads acknowledged the hit tool risk here, even after Hedbert’s fantastic complex-level season, but not even pragmatic prospect prognosticators predicted he’d have such a rude awakening in full-season ball, where Perez hit .216 in 2022. He still has exciting pull-side power for a left-handed hitter, but the track record of prospects who strike out this much at such a low level isn’t great, and as a left field-only runner and thrower, Perez doesn’t have secondary skills to fall back on.

 

This is the recent assessment by Fangraphs, and he looked wildly out of his depth, Still may have promise, but just as likely, if not more so, could be worth sweet FA, and escobar would really round out this ball club

Fine.  Trade for Escobar.  Just trade someone else.

Left-handed hitters with raw power and other plus tools don't grow on trees.

[jay87shot]

No to Escobar, however this should make Brett Baty expendable. I wouldnt mind taking a little $ to get Brett Baty and lessen prospects.

[Jake McKibbin]

Just to add to the above, Escobar's OPS vs Lefties

 

2021 - 888

2022 - 827

 

Can cover 1st for Rowdy vs Lefties, as well as 3rd/2d vs Righties

He's an above average addition and would at the very least considerably improve the consistency in production of a team if Turang/Urias/Heaven forbid, Adames go down

[owbc]

I wonder if this takes the Mets out of the Ohtani sweepstakes or if they will have another $500 million sitting around next offseason. That contract is going to be incredible. 

[wiguy94]

Honestly this is probably a good thing for the Brewers. We aren't competing with the Mets of the world to make the playoffs. Giants were one of the teams we would likely be competing for a WC spot with. The Giants getting worse helps us way more than the Giants being better. 

[wallus]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

No to Escobar, however this should make Brett Baty expendable. I wouldnt mind taking a little $ to get Brett Baty and lessen prospects.

According to the much maligned trade value website, Baty would cost a haul. Obviously we would have to trade an outfielder (Mitchell) and another quality prospect (Quero or Brown). Even then, it wouldn't be close to being "equal". Getting a good young 3rd baseman and moving Urias to 2nd would be great. I know we could move Turang in this deal too but he might be good insurance if we can't extend Adames.

[FidoMcCokefiend]

5 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

At this point, looking at the Mets payroll, it's very difficult to not want them to fall flat on their face.

I am fine with seeing 29 of 30 (chump edit) of MLB Franchises fall on their face as I only care about Milwaukee winning, but I will never understand the hate when other owners spend money on good players and try to win.  Isn't trying to win the point here? 

[wallus]

1 minute ago, FidoMcCokefiend said:

I am fine with seeing 31 of 32 of MLB Franchises fall on their face as I only care about Milwaukee winning,, but I will never understand the hate when other owners spend money on good players and try to win.  Isn't trying to win the point here? 

All of these contracts getting signed are going to raise the cost of what it will take to keep the players we want. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

14 minutes ago, FidoMcCokefiend said:

I am fine with seeing 31 of 32 of MLB Franchises fall on their face as I only care about Milwaukee winning, but I will never understand the hate when other owners spend money on good players and try to win.  Isn't trying to win the point here? 

I'm never, ever a fan of teams who go out and buy a championship. 

[DR28]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

No to Escobar, however this should make Brett Baty expendable. I wouldnt mind taking a little $ to get Brett Baty and lessen prospects.

Not true... Mets are moving Baty to OF.

[DR28]

1 hour ago, owbc said:

I wonder if this takes the Mets out of the Ohtani sweepstakes or if they will have another $500 million sitting around next offseason. That contract is going to be incredible. 

If Cohen wants him, Ohtani will be a Met... He's said he's willing to dip into his own pocket.

[CheezWizHed]

13 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I'm never, ever a fan of teams who go out and buy a championship. 

Right.  Its about playing on an uneven playing field. The hard cap in the NFL was the best thing for it.... levels things out and allows more even competition.

[FidoMcCokefiend]

3 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I'm never, ever a fan of teams who go out and buy a championship. 

Every professional sports franchise (and hell, most the NCAA as well) buys players, and hence, buys championships. 

I want the teams I root for to buy great players in order to win a championship.  I don't root for any franchise because I want the owner to increase their wealth. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, FidoMcCokefiend said:

Every professional sports franchise (and hell, most the NCAA as well) buys players, and hence, buys championships. 

I want the teams I root for to buy great players in order to win a championship.  I don't root for any franchise because I want the owner to increase their wealth. 

The philosophy isn't gonna get you to the promised land as a Brewer fan.

[FidoMcCokefiend]

7 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Right.  Its about playing on an uneven playing field. The hard cap in the NFL was the best thing for it.... levels things out and allows more even competition.

Since the NFL introduced the cap in 1994, 16 different teams have won Super Bowls. During that same period, 15 different teams have won World Series. 

 

[FidoMcCokefiend]

5 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

The philosophy isn't gonna get you to the promised land as a Brewer fan.

What philosophy will? 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just now, FidoMcCokefiend said:

What philosophy will? 

Being upset at the Brewers for not spending like the big markets. It's akin to yelling at a cloud.