Opening Day Roster

[edfunderburk]

48 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

 

 

I would be furious if the Brewers had dragged their heels & lost Voit to an opt-out if they were trying to keep Hiura … but that’s not their reason

It seems they may want to take a flier on Wiemer as a RH power bat … he has incredible future potential & OF versatility + he has speed & a cannon arm from RF

If this is their reasoning - I’m surprised & excited

If you consider early May - when (hopefully) Taylor joins the team - I prefer Wiemer to Voit at that time

[MVP2110]

11 minutes ago, Ewitkows1 said:

Why risk it? The Phillies just lost their 1B they might be dumb enough to offer him like 1/7m

I'm not sure they are risking anything. They have until tomorrow night to add him to the roster, he can talk to other teams I believe but he can't sign with anyone else until that point

[edfunderburk]

8 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

I'm not sure they are risking anything. They have until tomorrow night to add him to the roster, he can talk to other teams I believe but he can't sign with anyone else until that point

Do the Brewers get to keep Voit after his opt out if they add him to the roster or is it too late if he prefers other options?

[MVP2110]

2 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Do the Brewers get to keep Voit after his opt out if they add him to the roster or is it too late if he prefers other options?

Per what Curt Hogg linked, they have 48-72 hours to add him to the roster, during which he can negotiate with other teams and if another team offers him a roster spot the Brewers have the opportunity to match. So if the Brewers want him he'll be on the roster 

[edfunderburk]

12 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Per what Curt Hogg linked, they have 48-72 hours to add him to the roster, during which he can negotiate with other teams and if another team offers him a roster spot the Brewers have the opportunity to match. So if the Brewers want him he'll be on the roster 

HaHa … thank you …  yes, I read that too - I was asking for “clarification” on if this is the Brewers decision exclusively

IOW, if they want to keep him, they can add him to the roster - even though he opted out & other teams make him an offer too … even a better offer

I am asking if Voit prefers to go to Philly or somewhere else for more playing time & more $$$ - is it as simple as him saying “goodbye Brewers” - because we didn’t place him on our roster prior to the agreed upon opt out date

[MVP2110]

6 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

HaHa … thank you …  yes, I read that too - I was asking for “clarification” on if this is the Brewers decision exclusively

IOW, if they want to keep him, they can add him to the roster - even though he opted out & other teams make him an offer too … even a better offer

I am asking if Voit prefers to go to Philly or somewhere else for more playing time & more $$$ - is it as simple as him saying “goodbye Brewers” - because we didn’t place him on our roster prior to the agreed upon opt out date

The Brewers have the right to match the offer 

[edfunderburk]

26 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

The Brewers have the right to match the offer 

Thank you … so “match the offer” means they could get outbid

You indeed did answer my question - well done 🙌🏼

[edfunderburk]

27 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

The Brewers have the right to match the offer 

So, I was correct in thinking all they had to do prior to yesterday’s deadline was place him on the 40-man roster … interesting

[Lathund]

My take is simply that the Brewers want Voit as injury insurance only. He hasn't been a good hitter for the last couple of years and offers nothing that Tellez/Winker doesn't, so the only time he plays is when they (Or in the case of DH, Contreras/Yelich too) can't. That's not someone they want to carry on a short bench all year. They wanted him if Tellez/Winker got hurt, but they didn't. So now they want him on a minor league deal or not at all, hence chosing not to add him. They could add and immediately option him (3 days short of 5 years service time), but that still carries the downside of not being able to option him again so not *that* big of an upside. 

More than that though, Voit has been a 105 wRC+ hitter the last two years, with a 31% strikeout rate. I just don't think it's worth the money or the roster contruction issues for them to carry that, if they don't expect an uptick in performance. There's a reason he was on a minor league deal to begin with. I think the fans on here value him a lot higher than the MLB teams do. 

[Weirdos19]

I’d love to see them keep all the top prospects up. Weimer, Frelick, and Turang. I’d keep them all up before keeping Voit. Weimer could platoon with Mitchell, Frelick, or even Winker (with Yeli at DH). 
Anderson and Brosseau seem like the same player. I like Miller’s versatility more than both of them. I wouldn’t mind seeing a trade of one, or even two of the three. 
An offensive roster of Tellez, Urias, Adames, Anderson, Miller, Turang, Contreras, Caratini, Yeli, Weimer, Mitchell, Frelick, and WInker seems very solid. 
 

I think they need to trade Taylor and Brosseau.

[MVP2110]

 

 

[TURBO]

Tyson Miller was pretty impressive in spring training, not entirely sure why they didn't keep him.

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Tyson Miller was pretty impressive in spring training, not entirely sure why they didn't keep him.

Because he has an option. 

[Brewcrew82]

Main question now seems to be Frelick or Wiemer, assuming that Houser ends up on the IL to start the season. I think you have to go with Frelick despite his left-Handedness. Besides the fact that he’s eligible for draft pick compensation unlike Wiemer, his bat is clearly ready. Start Frelick out in the 9 hole, and let him work his way to the top of the order. 

[MVP2110]

6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Because he has an option. 

Yep, I'd fully expect him up at some point this year but the Brewers always default to keeping depth to start the season and optioning guys who have options. 

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, Weirdos19 said:

I think they need to trade Taylor and Brosseau.

Neither of Brosseau or a currently injured Taylor would return much in trade and they are defensively versatile players who are two of our better returning bats vs LHP.

They seem like pretty good fits for those 10th-12th spots on the roster.

[wiguy94]

Gus Varland's high school baseball team account seems to be under the impression that he has made the team. Awesome news for him. Absolutely deserved with how well he pitched this Spring.

[MVP2110]

Hope Varland made it, I wanna see what he can do and think he's earned a shot this spring. We don't have alot of proven arms in the bullpen but we have a lot of exciting arms and I'm excited to see who steps up this year. 

[JohnBriggs12]

I think the Wiemer or Frelick discussion has to include Mitchell.  Lets say Mitchell struggles over the first month or 6 weeks, and Wiemer (or Frelick) starts out on fire.  I assume Wiemer is going to get first shot more so because he's a better CF than Frelick, but at some point they could go with Wiemer and Frelick and option Mitchell.  Of course Mitchell's defense in the CF is the best of those 3 so he's probably going to get a significant leash with the bat unless the entire team is underperforming offensively.

As for Voit, Brosseau can handle his role.  Brosseau might have versatility defensively but his true value is with his bat particularly against lefties, and taking him sort of out of the backup infield role, means less of a crowd blocking Turang who's going to be forcing his way on to this roster at some point.

 

 

[MVP2110]

I could take or leave Voit. He's a good bat but limited to 1b or DH. The appeal for having him is a platoon mate with Rowdy and injury insurance. That said not having him allows for greater flexibility on a short bench and as previously stated Brosseau or Miller could fill his role as a Rowdy platoon mate. Brosseau hits lefties better than Voit and Miller is a much better defender at 1st. I don't really think I'll adjust any sort of judgement on the roster based on Voit 

[Jim Goulart]

 

[Jopal78]

With Voit it seems as though they simply decided in favor of more positional versatility on their roster over another slugger; or the Brewers want to wait and see which players on other clubs might get cut as rosters are finalized. 

These are the only scenarios that seem logical, in the context of their other moves last week. 
 

Further, the Brewers already had agreed with Voit upon a salary for ‘23 if he made the team. If Voit gets a better offer elsewhere I doubt the Brewers would be interested in matching or making a counter offer. 

 

 

[CheeseheadInQC]

2 hours ago, Mass Haas said:

 

Is my math wrong or, assuming that Hiura and Voit are indeed off the roster, does that mean two of Frelick, Wiemer and Turang made it?

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Is my math wrong or, assuming that Hiura and Voit are indeed off the roster, does that mean two of Frelick, Wiemer and Turang made it?

That math would be correct. 

[MVP2110]

starting with Wiemer over Frelick is super dumb