2023-24 Bucks Season Thread

[sveumrules]

7 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

The back-to-back excuse is lame. The Bucks played well and they shot the lights out. Boston was sloppy.

The Bucks had two days off.

Celtics flew to Milwaukee after their top four guys played 40-43 minutes each in an OT win. Porzingis was fresh, but noted Bucks slayer Al Horford was out since he played 38 mins the night before.

I don’t think it’s an excuse to say the rest deficit played a role in one team playing well and the other playing sloppy.

For me it’s more of a schedule loss than any kind of telling Bucks win, but I’ll always enjoy beating down the Celtics regardless.

Thanasis minutes at the end were the cherry on top.

[nate82]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

He was runner-up for DPOY last year. 

Yes and that doesn't make what I said incorrect.  Lopez is a bad perimeter player as he can't move as well as he once did.  Being the runner-up for DPOY last year has no bearing on that. 

 

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Lopez was the 2nd best defender last year in the Miami series and outstanding vs Boston the year before. 

Yes he was the 2nd best defender last year in those series but he was also a poor perimeter defender.  When Lopez is at his best he is in the paint.  That is where he gets a lot of his defensive value.  You are just ignoring this completely.

 

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

The Bucks have Giannis. How many teams have a big man who can defend inside and play perimeter defense at an elite level in the NBA?

Where did I say elite level?  I said someone who can defend out on the perimeter.  Lopez can't do that anymore.  He is at an elite level in the paint but he is absolutely atrocious when it comes to defending the perimeter or even providing help defense out on the perimeter.  The Bucks need a young center who they can bring in and help defend out on the perimeter.  They don't need to be elite just someone that can help out and not be a liability out there. 

The Bucks have actually gone back to the dropping Lopez into the paint on those high switches.  So the coaching has made a change there.  It just causes other issues which appeared last year when the Bucks did this.  It opens up the perimeter more and teams that can shoot will be making a lot of shots because of this.  It was this downfall among other things that got Bud fired. 

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

Yes and that doesn't make what I said incorrect.  Lopez is a bad perimeter player as he can't move as well as he once did.  Being the runner-up for DPOY last year has no bearing on that. 

Kinda does though. You're talking about the Bucks defensive issues and then the ONLY player you mention is...Lopez. And how bad he's been for years. I'd say it's relevant that he was a DPOY ner-up last season. 

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

Yes he was the 2nd best defender last year in those series but he was also a poor perimeter defender.  When Lopez is at his best he is in the paint.  That is where he gets a lot of his defensive value.  You are just ignoring this completely.

-I think most 7-footers are probably better defensively in the paint than they are out on the perimeter defending people.

And I'm just completely ignoring...what now? The thing I address in the very next paragraph? 

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

Where did I say elite level?  I said someone who can defend out on the perimeter.  Lopez can't do that anymore.  He is at an elite level in the paint but he is absolutely atrocious when it comes to defending the perimeter or even providing help defense out on the perimeter. 

Oh! You found the part I was "completely ignoring!"

Now, just the list of good perimeter defenders who are 7-foot, who can protect the paint and shoot? Let's make one of those, then see who we'd be better off with.

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

The Bucks have actually gone back to the dropping Lopez into the paint on those high switches.  So the coaching has made a change there. 

So over the last 2 days, it went from the coaching doesn't matter in the NBA, to they just made this huge change? And it's the change that led to the last staff being fired. 

 

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

It opens up the perimeter more and teams that can shoot will be making a lot of shots because of this.  It was this downfall among other things that got Bud fired. 

I don't think that is what got Bud fired at all. Brook Lopez and his ability(or inability I guess) to defend out on the perimeter. 

If THAT is why Bud got fired, then Horst and his entire staff should go because...they probably knew from the jump that Lopez wasn't a good perimeter defender(probably why they've supplemented the roster with the likes of Tucker or Crowder). 

I find it beyond ridiculous that we're putting the newfound defensive shortcomings of this team on Brook Lopez.

[HarryDoyle]

And now Dame with the buzzer beater three to win. What a time to be alive.

[Samurai Bucky]

I don't disagree with his assessment.  However, there is inconsistency on both sides of the ball.  The game is so much different than what it was 20 years ago.

 

 

[young guns]

If you havent started to watch or check the score of the game yet, don't.  Just burn the existence of this game from your mind.

[RedStickBrew]

5 minutes ago, young guns said:

If you havent started to watch or check the score of the game yet, don't.  Just burn the existence of this game from your mind.

[adambr2]

I feel like I should have appreciated Coach Budd more than I did. 

[RedStickBrew]

I’m not sure how the Bucks can continue with Adrian Griffin much longer

[adambr2]

12 minutes ago, RedStickBrew said:

I’m not sure how the Bucks can continue with Adrian Griffin much longer

I'm picturing that scene from The Office where Michael goes into Staples and tells Dwight that he's sorry and he needs to come back. 

[RedStickBrew]

7 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I'm picturing that scene from The Office where Michael goes into Staples and tells Dwight that he's sorry and he needs to come back. 

[Samurai Bucky]

The grass isn't always greener (e.g. new coach).

[CheezWizHed]

3 hours ago, Samurai Bucky said:

The grass isn't always greener (e.g. new coach).

But, but, but... Griffin is a defensive coach!

It is still a stinker of a game, but I feel slightly better knowing the Antetokounmpo brothers played a total of 6 minutes.  And Giannis had none of them. 

[nate82]

I still don’t believe a coaching change will do all that much.  The team needs some more youth at C, SF and SG.  Probably won’t see it as the team doesn’t have any draft picks to make these changes.  Also the Bucks aren’t trading any of their key veterans to get these players either.

[nate82]

Bucks interested in Murray.  Would have to trade Portis plus to get Murray.  

 

 

[sveumrules]

17 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Bucks interested in Murray.  Would have to trade Portis plus to get Murray.  

 

 

Portis + Patty C is pretty much the only combo of salary the Bucks have to match Murray’s number.

Their only real trade-able draft asset is Portland’s 2nd rounder this year.

Think the Hawks will have better offers than that.

[nate82]

53 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Portis + Patty C is pretty much the only combo of salary the Bucks have to match Murray’s number.

Their only real trade-able draft asset is Portland’s 2nd rounder this year.

Think the Hawks will have better offers than that.

Probably but I wouldn't be surprised if Beauchamp and Portis are traded.  Though I would prefer to see Connaughton traded. 

[sveumrules]

25 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Probably but I wouldn't be surprised if Beauchamp and Portis are traded.  Though I would prefer to see Connaughton traded. 

Bobby and Marjon isn’t enough salary going out to match.

Would need to be Bobby, Marjon, Beasley and AJax to get there.

[nate82]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Bobby and Marjon isn’t enough salary going out to match.

Would need to be Bobby, Marjon, Beasley and AJax to get there.

I didn’t mean Bobby and Marjon for Murray was just saying in general it feels like those two will be traded for someone.

[young guns]

Adrian griffin fired according to espn.

[Samurai Bucky]

12 minutes ago, young guns said:

Adrian griffin fired according to espn.

Hopefully whoever they bring in (Doc Rivers is apparently at the top of the list) can wave a magic wand and have them play defense.

[Joseph Zarr]

Thank the heavens there is a basketball god. I'd be harder pressed to find a worse NBA head coaching job than what Griffin had put forth. I am interested in Bucks basketball again!

[Joseph Zarr]

Doc Rivers is not a good Head Coach. BUT, this would 100% be an upgrade. Griffin was a complete disaster. It can't get worse. I'll be very very curious to see the entirety of this small list.

[nate82]

8 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Doc Rivers is not a good Head Coach. BUT, this would 100% be an upgrade. Griffin was a complete disaster. It can't get worse. I'll be very very curious to see the entirety of this small list.

Not sure there is a HC out there that will make them play defense.  That has been the problem the team just doesn’t want to play defense at all.  Also they don’t have anyone that can help Dame when there is a high pick and roll.  Lopez can’t do that anymore as he is to slow.

I don’t think there will be much difference other than there being a new HC.  The team must have really hated playing for him or something for this to happen.

[SeaBass]

I wonder if Terry Stotts is on the short list.