Jeimer Candelario

[homer]

He's an 800 OPS switch hitter that has experience playing 1st and 3rd. Not super exciting but an improvement on what the Brewers have.

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, homer said:

He's an 800 OPS switch hitter that has experience playing 1st and 3rd. Not super exciting but an improvement on what the Brewers have.

Yes.

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, homer said:

He's an 800 OPS switch hitter that has experience playing 1st and 3rd. Not super exciting but an improvement on what the Brewers have.

Would be a great target, but he might be pricy. He's also overperforming his xwOBA by 20 points, so not sure his offensive production will maintain at his current level.

[brewcrewdue80]

Hmm just mentioned his name 3 hours  before Morosi made his tweet.

Coincidence? Does he lurk here huh?

3 of last 4 seasons hitting 121+ OPS+  You read the MLBTR story on moving on from Tellez at 1b.  None of those options felt like an upgrade, yet they thought it would be.  JC would definitely be an upgrade that would make him coveted by a good number of teams.  That good ol trade value site suggests he has about 10.6M value but I'd go on he'd earn an overpay around 14M due to the competition. A comp on the team would be trading Owen Miller to them.  Brown Jr and Black but lbvs,  Black would be more than enough and overpay honestly. The site just doesn't grade him higher, like Luis Lara just below Black's value 5m. 

While we don't need him at 3b, 1b/dh replacing Winker/Tellez would improve the team.  Gotta imagine as a switch hitter, Counsell would love him 2-4 in order.

[TURBO]

Trading 6 years of Black for 3 months of JC would be 100% stupid.

We do something that stupid, I'm jumping off the Brewers fan train and not looking back...

[brewcrewdue80]

12 hours ago, TURBO said:

Trading 6 years of Black for 3 months of JC would be 100% stupid.

We do something that stupid, I'm jumping off the Brewers fan train and not looking back...

Yeah. Just pointed out how little value it gives Black. Look at Owen Miller having equal value to JC. Clearly that value didn't exist when he was in the minors. The week Black makes it in to top 100 or the majors, his value will jump much higher. I keep looking for players for the crew to trade, and it's  like nope and why would the other team want him?  

 

[nate82]

3 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Yeah. Just pointed out how little value it gives Black. Look at Owen Miller having equal value to JC. Clearly that value didn't exist when he was in the minors. The week Black makes it in to top 100 or the majors, his value will jump much higher. I keep looking for players for the crew to trade, and it's  like nope and why would the other team want him?  

 

The BTV site hasn't updated their values in awhile I believe.  Though a new update should be coming soon with the deadline approaching.  I expect Black should move up to a valuation of closer to what Misiorowski is worth.  I would also expect drops in valuation for Burnes, Peralta and Adames. 

[brewcrewdue80]

23 hours ago, nate82 said:

The BTV site hasn't updated their values in awhile I believe.  Though a new update should be coming soon with the deadline approaching.  I expect Black should move up to a valuation of closer to what Misiorowski is worth.  I would also expect drops in valuation for Burnes, Peralta and Adames. 

That would also reduce the value needed then to acquire JC but he's going to still have numerous teams raising his value to acquire.

[BrewerFan]

On 6/29/2023 at 6:56 PM, brewcrewdue80 said:

Hmm just mentioned his name 3 hours  before Morosi made his tweet.

Coincidence? Does he lurk here huh?

3 of last 4 seasons hitting 121+ OPS+  You read the MLBTR story on moving on from Tellez at 1b.  None of those options felt like an upgrade, yet they thought it would be.  JC would definitely be an upgrade that would make him coveted by a good number of teams.  That good ol trade value site suggests he has about 10.6M value but I'd go on he'd earn an overpay around 14M due to the competition. A comp on the team would be trading Owen Miller to them.  Brown Jr and Black but lbvs,  Black would be more than enough and overpay honestly. The site just doesn't grade him higher, like Luis Lara just below Black's value 5m. 

While we don't need him at 3b, 1b/dh replacing Winker/Tellez would improve the team.  Gotta imagine as a switch hitter, Counsell would love him 2-4 in order.

I mentioned him, Lane Thomas and Grichuk. 

I think it's probably just as simple as doing what I did. Went to look at the teams with the worst records, and in my case, specifically looked at RHHers and came up with Grichuk as an obvious one and likely cheap. Lane Thomas as more expensive as he has a few years of team control(and is probably overperforming, and really more than we need) and Canelario for the IF.

 

The Brewers problem though is they have either prospects who seem destined to be part of their future(Misi, Black, Felick, obviously Chourio and Quero) and then I hate the idea of trading away an 18/19 of even 20 year old like Para, Mendez, Guillarte(especially Guillarte)...even Jace Avina. They probably don't have much value in a trade and they have obvious upside.

It's like we're lacking players in AAA who are low end prospects save for maybe Small and same with AA.

 

Who do we have that we really want to give up for this team? My own answer may change if Adames, Tellez, Winker start hitting just...anywhere near their projected numbers, otherwise...I mean, I'm an optimist, but I'm not considering Black for anything but a player with at least...some team control beyond this year. 

 

I guess Justin Jarvis is an option...but if history is any indication, he's gonna get flipped for a 5.00 ERA reliever(may not be totally fair, but Reese Olsen for Norris NEVER made sense and Antoine Kelly for Bush certainly didn't work).

 

[JohnBriggs12]

I seem to remember floating Candelario's name in the offseason as the guy I wanted ahead of Anderson and others who were available.  Now I wouldn't give up Black for him, but I'd still be in favor of it at the right price.

Pham is another guy out there who could help.

 

[umphrey]

I've wanted this guy for a couple years now. I feel like they are probably buying high at this point, but if they can get it done without too much cost I'm all for it. 

[edfunderburk]

On 6/29/2023 at 6:56 PM, brewcrewdue80 said:

While we don't need him at 3b, 1b/dh replacing Winker/Tellez would improve the team.  Gotta imagine as a switch hitter, Counsell would love him 2-4 in order

Yes - Candelario would be a huge improvement over Tellez & Winker

No - please don’t trade Black … I believe he will be an impact bat for us as soon as next year

[edfunderburk]

On 6/29/2023 at 7:25 PM, TURBO said:

Trading 6 years of Black for 3 months of JC would be 100% stupid

I’m a HUGE fan of Black … he was impressive when I saw him play in person back in May

His speed is better than advertised

His bat is for real too

He was more than adequate defensively 

He has a strong arm from 3rd, but might be a better 1B or DH option

I actually like him more than Hiura this year as a replacement for Tellez & Winker

[KeithStone53151]

Without looking, I'm guessing every fan forum for contending teams has this guy penciled into their roster. I'm sure the offers will be significantly more than the minimum price required to move him as most contenders could at least use him. Usually the Brewers don't make it work with the obvious options that are highly sought after, I am guessing we'll get outbid here.

[brewcrewdue80]

Again, me mentioning Black in the trade for Candelario was just what the Trade Value site had as someone it would cost.  I was just trying to give an idea what they think it would have taken.  The values for our team has Black at 5.9, Lara 5.1, Gasser 4.6, then our RPs Cousins/Strez at 3.3 with Anderson and Uribe at 3.2. 

So once you reach their you are looking at sending the Nationals (if JC is worth 10.6)  at least 3 prospects if not 4 starting at Moore.  Which is our #8 prospect.  JC is listed around the top for trade deadline gets, doubt you are seeing Moore lead the way as the best headliner all teams offered to acquire him. 

 

Now somebody mentioned the values hadn't been updated so I dunno where JC really stands.  Black has made the top 100 for a split second on MLB's rankings(at least 8 draftees will push him out if not moBlacre just  bc 1st rd picks) so Black's value should have increase like Quero's approaching 20.

[Outlander]

Agree with KeithStone, the competition will just be too much at this point. Earned himself a nice contract next season.

[jerichoholicninja]

I'm sure it will cost more than some throwaway prospect but I think most are way overestimating what it would cost to acquire him. Teams don't give up much of anything for one year rentals anymore.

[phnxcrew]

1 hour ago, edfunderburk said:

Yes - Candelario would be a huge improvement over Tellez & Winker

No - please don’t trade Black … I believe he will be an impact bat for us as soon as next year

The only rental you’d trade for a top 100

prospect would be Ohtani if they had decided to deal him.  it might cost a small or Lara I’d guess.

[umphrey]

Just googled a list and yeah this is the hitter everyone is going to want. As a 3B/1B/DH everyone can find him a home. Rounding out the top 13 is SS and C (limited markets) then you get into high risk players like Bellinger and Lane Thomas. 

[KeithStone53151]

1 hour ago, jerichoholicninja said:

I'm sure it will cost more than some throwaway prospect but I think most are way overestimating what it would cost to acquire him. Teams don't give up much of anything for one year rentals anymore.

The minimum cost for the nationals to let him go is certainly low, but I suspect candelario gets bid up a bit based on how many teams will want him. He can play 1b/3b, he's a switch hitter, and he's hitting really well right now. I don't really know of many other 1b/3b that are as good as him right now that are obvious targets. And with the DH, most contenders could at least use a guy like him. What team couldn't use a switch hitter that's hitting? Most likely scenario is a big market gives up way more than the brewers are willing to because they can much more easily fill holes in free agency and therefore the farm isn't as important to them.

[Jim French Stepstool]

On 7/1/2023 at 8:32 PM, BrewerFan said:

I mentioned him, Lane Thomas and Grichuk. 

I think it's probably just as simple as doing what I did. Went to look at the teams with the worst records, and in my case, specifically looked at RHHers and came up with Grichuk as an obvious one and likely cheap. Lane Thomas as more expensive as he has a few years of team control(and is probably overperforming, and really more than we need) and Canelario for the IF.

 

The Brewers problem though is they have either prospects who seem destined to be part of their future(Misi, Black, Felick, obviously Chourio and Quero) and then I hate the idea of trading away an 18/19 of even 20 year old like Para, Mendez, Guillarte(especially Guillarte)...even Jace Avina. They probably don't have much value in a trade and they have obvious upside.

It's like we're lacking players in AAA who are low end prospects save for maybe Small and same with AA.

 

Who do we have that we really want to give up for this team? My own answer may change if Adames, Tellez, Winker start hitting just...anywhere near their projected numbers, otherwise...I mean, I'm an optimist, but I'm not considering Black for anything but a player with at least...some team control beyond this year. 

 

I guess Justin Jarvis is an option...but if history is any indication, he's gonna get flipped for a 5.00 ERA reliever(may not be totally fair, but Reese Olsen for Norris NEVER made sense and Antoine Kelly for Bush certainly didn't work).

 

Some good stuff here.

I originally liked the idea of adding Thomas but originally thought he was a rental. With three years of control No way do you ante up for him with the OF talent already in the system.

Part of the problem is some of the guys at Biloxi, while they still have a chance, aren't putting up the type of season where there would be the trade value you'd like (Murray, Valerio, Warren, Clarke). And I'm not much interested in dealing Zamora. I could see them dealing Robert Moore who has the high draft-pick pedigree, but again it's not a guy who's having a stellar season.

For me Black is, if not off the table, just barely hanging on the edge of it.

Love the last paragraph. Jarvis had an ugly 1st appearance in Nashville. But IMO there's little question they'd be better off hanging on to him at this point when compared to what I suspect he'd bring. The obsession with adding BP arms needs to be put on hold. Would much rather roll with the depth provided by Andrews, Uribe, J Wilson, and the potential extra arm when they go back to a 5-man rotation. Strzelecki might figure things out too.

[KeithStone53151]

1 hour ago, phnxcrew said:

The only rental you’d trade for a top 100

prospect would be Ohtani if they had decided to deal him.  it might cost a small or Lara I’d guess.

Not to get off topic, but if Ohtani came available at the deadline even as a rental...the price would be absolutely bonkers for half season of him.

[Outlander]

21 hours ago, phnxcrew said:

The only rental you’d trade for a top 100

prospect would be Ohtani if they had decided to deal him.  it might cost a small or Lara I’d guess.

If it only cost Small then Candelario would already be a Brewer. Lara is a good call plus some more. I don't know if the Brewers are willing to do that. 

[Jake McKibbin]

5 minutes ago, Outlander said:

If it only cost Small then Candelario would already be a Brewer. Lara is a good call plus some more. I don't know if the Brewers are willing to do that. 

Could be someone with more potential lower down, or maybe someone like Cam Devanney who has been mashing as of late, and a toss in reliever. I wonder how that would go down as an offer?

[Outlander]

Candelario has a right thumb issue, couldn't play either game yesterday. Could end up on the IL, which would not give a lot of time before the deadline to show he is healthy.