Anderson on paternity leave…..’Jahmai Jones signed

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, LouisEly said:

I don't know that the organization views Jones as filling the same role as Hiura.  Anderson is a 3B and RF.  Jones is primarily a 2B but has also played OF.  Miller/Monasterio are your 3B while Anderson is out and thus the need for another infielder who can fill in their role as the backup 2B and Anderson's role as a backup OF.

Anything is possible. My point is when they’ve needed a hitter they’ve gone a number of different directions without adding a Hiura to the 40 man roster and calling him up. 

Those who feel he has gotten a raw deal will disagree citing to the metrics, his AAA stats, change in batting stance,  etc. etc. 

However, from the purview that the simplest explanation is likely the most accurate; the Brewers have moved on from the enigmatic Hiura, and he’s not even in their emergency plans (needing a bat while a player is away from the team on paternity leave).

[jerichoholicninja]

Jones swung at a first pitch fastball over the heart of the plate. That alone is a major improvement over most of the rest of this team.

As for Hiura, his next time on the Brewers major league roster is his last as they can't send him down without his permission and I don't know why he would want to stick around here. They're not going to bring him up unless they feel that he is absolutely ready and they know they can give him starts nearly everyday.

[Jopal78]

11 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

 

As for Hiura, his next time on the Brewers major league roster is his last as they can't send him down without his permission and I don't know why he would want to stick around here. They're not going to bring him up unless they feel that he is absolutely ready and they know they can give him starts nearly everyday.

They already ostensibly sent him down without his permission when they DFA’d him in March. 
 

Anything is possible, but we can be nearly certain the Brewers are not waiting for Hiura “to be ready” or afraid of losing him to another organization 

[Jim French Stepstool]

9 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I'd argue the bat players more on this team than any other, but Turang is just a winner. He had a disappointing game today(at least 2 opportunities to make contact and get a run in with less than 2 out and he went out of the zone). But the first couple days he made some incredible plays to save runs and was barreling up the ball. 

 

I'd love to know how many runs he's saved. I believe many people inexplicably overlook that. And his first couple games back he looked great at the plate (a couple hits; could've easily been 4 or 5). Then on Sunday the speed paid off when he forced a rushed throw on the swinging bunt. Yesterday was easily his worst day since returning, he even looked a little shaky early on defensively. All considered I'm glad he's back.

[edfunderburk]

11 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Would love to know what Hiura thinks of this.🤔

I had this exact same thought … Toro & others at Nashville as well

[edfunderburk]

6 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Jones coming from another club’s farm system then straight to the major leagues  in Milwaukee shows what the organization thinks of Keston Hiura. 

I wonder if Hiura could be a trade candidate (part of a return) should Milwaukee attempt to acquire talent at the deadline

We need a strong RH bat - someone with low strikeout, high base on balls, high on base % … that doesn’t sound like Hiura

Jones “could” potentially be that guy - based on his strong AAA season to date

I would not mind seeing Winker DFA’d (sooner than later) - he has simply underperformed all season - & I’m aware he is recovering from neck surgery … he simply could be washed at 29

[edfunderburk]

3 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Hiura is not even in their emergency plans (needing a bat while a player is away from the team on paternity leave).

I believe if Hiura was recalled for this brief paternity leave for Anderson, he would have to be added once again to the 40-man roster (like Jahmai Jones) & would have to be released if they wanted to send hi back to Nashville since he is out of options (unlike Jones - who has one option remaining)

[Jopal78]

7 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I believe if Hiura was recalled for this brief paternity leave for Anderson, he would have to be added once again to the 40-man roster (like Jahmai Jones) & would have to be released if they wanted to send hi back to Nashville since he is out of options (unlike Jones - who has one option remaining)

Exactly, and the last time they dropped him all the other teams passed on him. I don’t think a couple hundred AAA PAs changes that.

[Brewcrew82]

29 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Exactly, and the last time they dropped him all the other teams passed on him. I don’t think a couple hundred AAA PAs changes that.

You don’t know that for sure, though. That’s the point. Particularly with teams being more injured now than they were after spring training. 

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

You don’t know that for sure, though. That’s the point. Particularly with teams being more injured now than they were after spring training. 

I don’t know it for sure, but it’s almost a certainty. 

If another club wanted to add Hiura to their major league roster, the Brewers are the type of organization who aren’t going to stand in the way of the man’s career especially when they’ve already decided he’s not in their current plans.

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

You don’t know that for sure, though. That’s the point. Particularly with teams being more injured now than they were after spring training. 

The recent moves, none involving Hiura, pretty much indicate that they don't have him in their plans. It goes to follow they'd be more than willing to deal him & get what they can. Unless he's a throw-in in the next four weeks I see no interest.

 Maybe that changes if an injury opens up a spot somewhere but IMO it's pretty doubtful.

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I'd love to know how many runs he's saved. I believe many people inexplicably overlook that. And his first couple games back he looked great at the plate (a couple hits; could've easily been 4 or 5). Then on Sunday the speed paid off when he forced a rushed throw on the swinging bunt. Yesterday was easily his worst day since returning, he even looked a little shaky early on defensively. All considered I'm glad he's back.

Really? I guess it's a matter of perception. It seems like I hear/see people raving about it. I guess if you're talking about hypothetically the family members I was around for the 4th who aren't big Brewers fans may not appreciate his defense and just see his BA, but people who pay attention(certainly anyone who comes to a Brewers message board) seem to and even more casual Brewers Twitter seems to. He and Wiemer seem pretty popular for two guys hitting ~200.

 

FWIW, Baseball Savante has him at +1 OAA at 2nd, -2 at SS and -1 overall. Small sample. That does not match the eye test AT-ALL. 

The Brewers run under Stearns has changed my opinion on baseball a bit. The value of chemistry...maybe small ball isn't overrated, I used to think you could quantify Baseball easier than I now do. Turang is a valuable player. And if he JUST relaxes at the plate and doesn't press, he's going to hit .250/.330/.350 this year and that's maybe not impressive, but the defense and pressure he puts on defenses, it'll be worth a lot.

 

On another note, I'm still firmly on the Winker board. Every time he hits one on the screws, it's right at someone. He hit a bullet to RT, right at Happ. Adames, Tellez, Winker, keep everything the same, but get one going and a couple small trades and I think we could get hot.

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

The recent moves, none involving Hiura, pretty much indicate that they don't have him in their plans. It goes to follow they'd be more than willing to deal him & get what they can. Unless he's a throw-in in the next four weeks I see no interest.

 Maybe that changes if an injury opens up a spot somewhere but IMO it's pretty doubtful.

I think they'll give Hiura one more shot if Winker can't get it going. I think he's earned it. 

The new, more compact swing, it'd be a shame to give up on him. Give Tellez/Winker to the ASB, if they can't get it going, maybe DFA Winker, a short IL sting for Rowdy and give Hiura some ABs. 

I think he got a little too homer happy and it hurt him. But he's much calmer at the place, looks more on time. Hope he's still part of the plans. Seems exactly like the type of guy we give up on and then he goes to Cleveland and becomes a .300 hitter with some power.

His bat speed is just too damn good for him to be as bad as he was.  

[Jake McKibbin]

14 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Exactly, and the last time they dropped him all the other teams passed on him. I don’t think a couple hundred AAA PAs changes that.

A) his salary will be half of what it was

B) he's shown improvements so far this season, and is likely to have someone take a flyer on him at this point, almost definitely

[SF70]

Hiura has made adjustments to his swing and is not the same hitter he was prior. 23% K-rate for the year with Nashville, 22% since he returned from injury. Prior to injuring his knee, he had cut his K-rate to 17/18% for a 50+ AB stretch.

His post-injury stroke isn’t quite where it was pre-injury, but more reps should get him back eventually. Hiura has to be back in the team’s plans with his reduced K-rate and is only a matter of time before he’s called-up.

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

A) his salary will be half of what it was

B) he's shown improvements so far this season, and is likely to have someone take a flyer on him at this point, almost definitely

You’re missing the point, if another team indicated they had interest in Hiura for the 26 man roster, the Brewers would have shipped him out already.
 

They’re not the kind of club that would screw with the career of a veteran not on the 40 man roster  when they have no use for him. 
 

The Brewers have been desperate for offense (adding Tapia, Jones, demoting Urias etc.) and they still haven’t called Hiura’s number. That tells me the Brewers have moved on and aren’t really looking to give him another shot. 

[Jake McKibbin]

36 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

You’re missing the point, if another team indicated they had interest in Hiura for the 26 man roster, the Brewers would have shipped him out already.
 

They’re not the kind of club that would screw with the career of a veteran not on the 40 man roster  when they have no use for him. 
 

The Brewers have been desperate for offense (adding Tapia, Jones, demoting Urias etc.) and they still haven’t called Hiura’s number. That tells me the Brewers have moved on and aren’t really looking to give him another shot. 

None of whom fit a roster crunch like he did, and one of whom was signed while Hiura was on the IL

 

I agree they wouldn't stand in the way, unless they felt they were likely to call him up (which they weren't with Erceg)

 

[sveumrules]

29 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

The Brewers have been desperate for offense (adding Tapia, Jones, demoting Urias etc.) and they still haven’t called Hiura’s number. That tells me the Brewers have moved on and aren’t really looking to give him another shot. 

Tapia’s first game was 6/14, Hiura’s first game back from injury was 6/16. Raimel is also a much better defensive OF than Keston.

Jones & especially Turang (called up for Urias) are also better defenders than Hiura, with Jahmai also hitting better than Keston in AAA this year while not being in the process of recovering from injury.

Jahmai also has an option so it was an opportunity to add a player to the org.

The Brewers pretty much see Keston as 1B/DH only, none of Tapia, Jones or Turang are filling that role so I don’t see them being on the team as any dismissal of Hiura as a possible future contributor.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

Tapia’s first game was 6/14, Hiura’s first game back from injury was 6/16. Raimel is also a much better defensive OF than Keston.

Jones & especially Turang (called up for Urias) are also better defenders than Hiura, with Jahmai also hitting better than Keston in AAA this year while not being in the process of recovering from injury.

Jahmai also has an option so it was an opportunity to add a player to the org.

The Brewers pretty much see Keston as 1B/DH only, none of Tapia, Jones or Turang are filling that role so I don’t see them being on the team as any dismissal of Hiura as a possible future contributor.

We will agree to disagree.

The facts are:

The Brewers are a terrible offensive team in the National League;

They’re half-way through what is likely last go around with this starting pitching staff, yet have been playing losing baseball since April ended primarily because of the poor offense.

In an attempt to rectify the offense they’ve  added a litany of hitters to the 40 man so far,  none of them Keston Hiura, and despite dreadful production from the DH spot, 1B and 2B where Hiura has played the most. 

In my opinion, draft status and 2019 simply do not mean much to anyone anymore.
 

The league adjusted to Hiura, they gave him 700 PAs (on contending teams) to make a counter adjustment, he couldn’t do it, they moved on and DFA’d him.

He’s in AAA with Milwaukee for two reasons, nobody wanted him when he was DFA’d, and thus Hiura had to report to AAA in order to get paid his 2.2 million dollar salary. 
 

Maybe he gets called up in a desperation move before the clock strikes midnight on the ‘23 team, but every move the major league team has made since March suggests they’re done with Hiura. 

[jerichoholicninja]

9 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

His bat speed is just too damn good for him to be as bad as he was.  

I feel like we said that for all of Rickie Week's career.

[Jim French Stepstool]

10 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Really?

Really. In this very thread someone was speculating if Turang would be sent back down in favor of Jones.

When a team struggles to score runs it's easy--for some--to lose perspective.

 

[Jake McKibbin]

11 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I think they'll give Hiura one more shot if Winker can't get it going. I think he's earned it. 

The new, more compact swing, it'd be a shame to give up on him. Give Tellez/Winker to the ASB, if they can't get it going, maybe DFA Winker, a short IL sting for Rowdy and give Hiura some ABs. 

I think he got a little too homer happy and it hurt him. But he's much calmer at the place, looks more on time. Hope he's still part of the plans. Seems exactly like the type of guy we give up on and then he goes to Cleveland and becomes a .300 hitter with some power.

His bat speed is just too damn good for him to be as bad as he was.  

He hit two balls yesterday over 112 mph for the grand total of one single

[rickh150]

Talking Hiura? Here? Alright!

[bensheeps]

Anderson back... plus a whole lot more.

 

[rickh150]

Hiura 2023 AAA….. .316 AVG, 13 HR, .390 OBP, .975 OPS,