Is Quero Our Top Prospect?

[rickh150]

12 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Misiorowski is the type of arm talent that if he keeps honing a repeatable delivery and avoids injury, he's never going to be considered a top prospect because he'll be pitching in the major leagues before too long.

Scouting services always have to throw a dozen or so players just drafted into these top 100 lists soon with zero professional experience, too - where you are ranked has less to do with longterm MLB ability compared to tools/talent, and timing.

Misiorowski…when I heard he was doing well, I decided to check YouTube and see. Talk about a unicorn body and delivery. Throwing upper 90’s regularly on top of it all? I really hate to say this, but he could be helping our pen in September, ala Burns and Woodruff. I would usually say just let the guy be, pitch AA next year and not mess with him, but…

I will take him over our other prospects, with Chourio being a close #2. Quero is our best defensive catcher in the organization. I wouldn’t even think of shopping him, no matter what Contreras does in the next few years. So great to have this guy sitting in top prospect lists… a good catching prospect with the Brewers?

[Playing Catch]

9 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Misiorowski…when I heard he was doing well, I decided to check YouTube and see. Talk about a unicorn body and delivery. Throwing upper 90’s regularly on top of it all? I really hate to say this, but he could be helping our pen in September, ala Burns and Woodruff. I would usually say just let the guy be, pitch AA next year and not mess with him, but…

I will take him over our other prospects, with Chourio being a close #2. Quero is our best defensive catcher in the organization. I wouldn’t even think of shopping him, no matter what Contreras does in the next few years. So great to have this guy sitting in top prospect lists… a good catching prospect with the Brewers?

After this draft, there won't really be a position group on the farm that we can complain about the Brewers ignoring, or being unable to develop. Including this year's rookie crop, they have legitimate prospects at all the positions. Of course, many of them won't work out, as that is the nature of prospects, but it's suddenly a varied, deep system.

[igor67]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them lean towards pitchers a bit next year. We certainly have some, and I have confidence at this point that between savy pick-ups and good development we should always have solid or better bullpen options available, so we aren't desperate for pitching or anything, but you can never have too many pitching prospects.

[homer]

15 hours ago, Jenkins5 said:

I do find it interesting on how many people have lost some faith in Chourio. I know he is simply holding his own vs. tearing up in AA but honestly, how many 19 year olds in the past couple of decades have at that age? The talent is there.

Acuna is the one I think of but he also started his age 19 season in A+ ball before getting promoted.

[Fear The Chorizo]

11 minutes ago, igor67 said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see them lean towards pitchers a bit next year. We certainly have some, and I have confidence at this point that between savy pick-ups and good development we should always have solid or better bullpen options available, so we aren't desperate for pitching or anything, but you can never have too many pitching prospects.

I think there's some real talent in the arms they drafted the past couple days already that are going to fill in lower levels of the farm either late this year or next season, and some of the collegiate pitchers could move up quickly.  They drafted 7 pitchers with their first 11 picks, 6 of them college.  

Woodruff was an 11th rounder.  Burnes and Ashby were 4th rounders.  Misiorowski a 2nd.  The recent Brewers' front offices appear to have a knack for identifying college arms in the day 2 draft range who can become quality MLB pitchers.

[BrewerFan]

On 7/10/2023 at 12:41 AM, Robocaller said:

He's been having a great season in Biloxi for a 20 y.o. 

 

No, I don't think so...but I've thought for a long time he could easily become the best player from that Biloxi team.

In terms of a prospect Chourio's so young and is holding his own in AA at 19. 

That said...when you say Quero is a year and a half older, sure, but defensive first catchers who are hitting like he is? They're generally a couple years behind. So I'd say what he's doing is at least as impressive as Chourio. I don't think the age makes the difference, I think Chourio's line drive power with his exit velocities and his speed, defense in CF is easier to see becoming an AS whereas there's so many things that can get in Quero's way simply because he's a catcher.

I'd put Chourio as a top ~8 prospect, Quero top 15 and Misiorowski as a top ~35 right now. The later only because he's not pitched much and doesn't have a reliable 3rd pitch, but could EASILY jump up to the top pitcher in Baseball by early next year if he can keep landing that 82-86 curve he showed off at the futures game(once IIRC). That 3rd pitch is going to be important for him and when he DID throw it, it was SO filthy.

Still find it incredible how many people*(not on here) want to throw him into the Brewers pen right now, or who've already got him penciled in as a multiple TJ guy. 

[BrewerFan]

19 hours ago, TURBO said:

I hope you are right, but like I said, we won't have room for two great catchers, one is going to have to go at some point.  I'm not trading Quero, nope, not me, but what will the Brewers do?

When have the Brewers ever chosen the higher upside guy with much more team control over the most expensive player with less team control?

Hope we get 2 more years out of Contreras, get a monster AS season with improved defense and you pick up a couple top 100 picks for him as you can slide Quero right in there. I'd personally hold on to Carintini for a while just because he's such a perfect compliment to pretty much any catcher you have. I mean...it's not ideal to have him function as a DH, but that's just the state of the 2023 Brewers. 

 

For all that David Stearns has done to sabotage the Brewers in service of the New York Mets, I will forever appreciate how he revamped our Latin American scouting and development(with the help of that SUPER cheap Mark Attanasio investing in it)...expanded the domestic scouting and then started to make a pretty stark change in their drafting ideology with the Turang, Frelick, Black types to add less high K rate players.

 

So good luck with the NYM, love the scouting Dept and please, leave them alone! Pillage the Astros dept.

[Brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

 

 

For all that David Stearns has done to sabotage the Brewers in service of the New York Mets, I will forever appreciate how he revamped our Latin American scouting and development(with the help of that SUPER cheap Mark Attanasio investing in it)...expanded the domestic scouting and then started to make a pretty stark change in their drafting ideology with the Turang, Frelick, Black types to add less high K rate players.

 

 

The guy who orchestrated a franchise-record 4 postseason appearances in a row "sabotaged the Brewers in service of the New York Mets"? 

What? Is this a burner account?

[homer]

23 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

When have the Brewers ever chosen the higher upside guy with much more team control over the most expensive player with less team control?

Hope we get 2 more years out of Contreras, get a monster AS season with improved defense and you pick up a couple top 100 picks for him as you can slide Quero right in there. I'd personally hold on to Carintini for a while just because he's such a perfect compliment to pretty much any catcher you have. I mean...it's not ideal to have him function as a DH, but that's just the state of the 2023 Brewers. 

 

For all that David Stearns has done to sabotage the Brewers in service of the New York Mets, I will forever appreciate how he revamped our Latin American scouting and development(with the help of that SUPER cheap Mark Attanasio investing in it)...expanded the domestic scouting and then started to make a pretty stark change in their drafting ideology with the Turang, Frelick, Black types to add less high K rate players.

 

So good luck with the NYM, love the scouting Dept and please, leave them alone! Pillage the Astros dept.

Stop bringing up the Stearns/Mets thing in every single thread. It's annoying. 

[KeithStone53151]

13 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

This. It's not like they go in each week and re-rank stuff. They usually do a mid-season update - after that draft. So I expect some shifting to happen soon.

mlb pipeline has done I want to say 2 updates to their rankings already with the most recent being one or two weeks ago. That said, there's only so much processing of information they can do in a short time span and analysis on top of that. If time stood still right now and they could do 6 months worth of analysis on the data from the 2023 season, you'd definitely see a heck of a lot more movement than we've seen in the smaller updates they've done so far.

To answer the specific question, I don't think Quero should pass Chourio yet. Results are only part of the equation at this stage, especially for younger guys. Chourio clearly has a skill set/tools that scouts drooled over in 2022 and that skill set didn't disappear. He's certainly being challenged at age 19 in AA, I'm not ready to move Quero ahead of him. With all that said, it's pretty clear Quero and Mis are candidates for big big jumps in the rankings whenever they get a proper analysis.

[LouisEly]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

That said...when you say Quero is a year and a half older, sure, but defensive first catchers who are hitting like he is? They're generally a couple years behind.

This is a good point and perhaps part of the original poster's question.  How do you value perhaps the most difficult position defensively versus one of the least difficult defensively?  Many players get put in the OF because they aren't good enough to play in the infield, thus there tends to be more hitting talent in the OF.  Does that make OFs less valuable?  I don't know, it's a question.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The guy who orchestrated a franchise-record 4 postseason appearances in a row "sabotaged the Brewers in service of the New York Mets"? 

What? Is this a burner account?

I guess you really do NEED the blue font on here.

That was so ridiculous, I honestly didn't think about having to state it was sarcasm.

 

I was ALSO being sarcastic about Attanasio being too cheap...while I talked about him expanding the scouting department and building facilities in Latin America to be clear. 

[Brewcrew82]

14 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I guess you really do NEED the blue font on here.

That was so ridiculous, I honestly didn't think about having to state it was sarcasm.

 

I was ALSO being sarcastic about Attanasio being too cheap...while I talked about him expanding the scouting department and building facilities in Latin America to be clear. 

You probably should’ve put it in blue font considering there’s certain people on here who have sincerely made that very claim. 

[BrewerFan]

17 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

This is a good point and perhaps part of the original poster's question.  How do you value perhaps the most difficult position defensively versus one of the least difficult defensively?  Many players get put in the OF because they aren't good enough to play in the infield, thus there tends to be more hitting talent in the OF.  Does that make OFs less valuable?  I don't know, it's a question.

A guy that can shut down the run game and hit like he is at AA?

Developing a catcher like that is at least as difficult as developing a true ace, right?

I look at Hiem from the Rangers. He's 28 years old and this year is an outlier, but it looks like what Quero is capable of.

I think it makes Corner OFers "less valuable," but if you have a guy like Chourio who may end up in LF only because Mitchell or Wiemer are SO good defensively, I guess it takes away some value, but I don't know.

 

The best part...we don't have to choose! We get both. I think within this thread people have gotten a bit too down on Frelick regarding his rankings. He's just had a bit of a bumpy year for a guy who hit the ground running and has elite bat control, speed, defense. But I would put Chourio as a top 5 prospect, Quero in the top 10-15 and then Misiorowski in the top 25. Frelick with his high floor is still a top `30-40 prospect in my opinion(not factoring in this draft class as I believe the top 5 picks will all be top 30).

I really think there's a chance the Brewers best days under Mark A are ahead of them. Get this class into the system, likely deal Burnes, Adames, Woodruff unless he comes back and is 100%, his future is a bit muddier, but I think it'll be an exciting young team. One similar to the team we're currently battling for first place. 

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

You probably should’ve put it in blue font considering there’s certain people on here who have sincerely made that very claim. 

I guess in a paragraph heaping praise on him, I assumed nobody would take the claim seriously as it's SO outrageous(I don't even think the actual poster who questioned him suggested he sabotaged the Brewers).

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I guess in a paragraph heaping praise on him, I assumed nobody would take the claim seriously as it's SO outrageous(I don't even think the actual poster who questioned him suggested he sabotaged the Brewers).

Oh no, they did suggest that. Multiple times. 

[CheeseheadInQC]

I think there is an argument to be made for Quero, but it partly depends on how you value ceiling and floor. I kind of think floor gets underrated among top prospects (who wouldn't be top prospects if the ceiling wasn't also at least fairly high), so I'm in the sweet spot for putting Quero high.

[BallFour]

I have always been high on Quero but what he is doing in AA is very rare and never could have imagined him being this good with the bat at AA this fast with basically skipping High A. I will still put Chourio above him in our next prospect update because being 19 at Biloxi and holding your own is some sicko stuff as well but I would be lying if I didn't say the gap has closed considerably. What a great problem to have.

I do have to throw some love Keith Law's way had Quero and Tyler Black in his top 100 before anyone else. 

[BrewerFan]

On 7/10/2023 at 9:32 PM, Fear The Chorizo said:

Misiorowski is the type of arm talent that if he keeps honing a repeatable delivery and avoids injury, he's never going to be considered a top prospect because he'll be pitching in the major leagues before too long.

Scouting services always have to throw a dozen or so players just drafted into these top 100 lists soon with zero professional experience, too - where you are ranked has less to do with longterm MLB ability compared to tools/talent, and timing.

-That seems like it's pushing it to me. If you wanted to throw him out of the pen, he could be another absolute weapon from the pen. But obviously that'd mean he failed. I also look at hit Futures Game and think back to when Pedro came out firing in the ASG. He came to make a point...and he absolutely did, but that was him just letting it rip for 20 pitches and giving max effort. Not that these are knocks or negatives at all.

I think the way things are trending, the Brewers likely aren't a contender next year assuming they make the trades they should, so it wouldn't make sense to use him out of the pen. The goal should be to get him to ~85-90IP this year, ~120  the following year and THEN in '25 he gets the call at some point. I see a full year there he could be a Greyson Rodriguez type pitching prospect on that timeline. I think the futures game showed that he was a man amongst boys in ONE inning of maximum effort relief, but he WAS among boys and not the men. So I'm not diminishing it at all, just saying if he becomes the pitcher we want, it's likely gonna take a bit longer for him to get there.

In fact, I really wouldn't be surprised to see the Brewers with 3 top ~12-15 prospects and then 3-4 more top 100s with Black, Frelick still eligible and then it's up in the air. It could be Lara, Guillarte(I'm a big believer)....Yophery Rodriguez could have some huge helium at this point next year. It just seems like we've graduated several guys and several more are coming in the near future with Gasser, Frelick, Black, but then after that, by the time Quero, Chourio, Misiorowski reach the big leagues, you'll have the last class 18 months closer to the big leagues and some big time talent coming out of that group(I know, this is a bit obvious). You just see HOW crazy it seems to think we were missing in the IFA market. Just take those players out and we're pinning ALL of our hopes on...Brown Jr becoming a starting caliber player rather than just developing him ALONG with Guillarte, Areinamo, Barrios, Ereu, Di Turi, etc...etc...

We've NEED Wiemer/Frelick/Mitchell to become stars or elite players rather than having them just fill their roles and Chourio, Yophery Rodriguez, Lara, Carlos Rodriguez and several others. 
Matthew Wood would be our best hope for a catcher I guess?

I'm not articulating this as well as I'd like, but when we had Weeks, Prince, Hardy, Hart all coming up...that's when lived and died by the draft and the draft alone and ANY misses there meant we had gaps. Larger gaps in development that we don't seem to currently have. We had ELITE prospects and then not much else. And to the credit of Jack Zduriencik, he hit on a lot of picks, but there's no margin for error and it showed in a team that was flawed and built on the back of several top 5-10 picks.

 

For all the Twitter ******** about the FO and Attanasio, it's hard to not be REALLY excited about where this system is in every facet. MLB ready, high end prospects hitting, young toolsy players performing well(or even guys with tools yet to perform well like Hedbert)...and then an outstanding draft with 4-5 really good picks who will have a chance and a rumor we've already agreed with one of the top IFA prospects. It's not the Dodgers yet, it's not the Padres(in terms of finding talent, they squander it due to absolutely zero patience) or the Rays, but I feel like we're trending in that direction. We're a long ways away yet...but that general direction!

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

-That seems like it's pushing it to me. If you wanted to throw him out of the pen, he could be another absolute weapon from the pen. But obviously that'd mean he failed. I also look at hit Futures Game and think back to when Pedro came out firing in the ASG. He came to make a point...and he absolutely did, but that was him just letting it rip for 20 pitches and giving max effort. Not that these are knocks or negatives at all.

a rumor we've already agreed with one of the top IFA prospects. It's not the Dodgers yet, it's not the Padres(in terms of finding talent, they squander it due to absolutely zero patience) or the Rays, but I feel like we're trending in that direction. We're a long ways away yet...but that general direction!

Who is the rumored top IFA prospect?

[BrewerFan]

On 7/12/2023 at 2:23 AM, wiguy94 said:

Who is the rumored top IFA prospect?

He's been talked about in here on the thread titled something like "14 too early to commit," along those lines. Seems as though the Brewers are still the favorites to sign, but there's a lot of controversy regarding the family(1.6M).

It's not a big deal as it's two signing periods away, but the larger point is we're a player for these guys. We're scouting 13 year old kids which I have fundamental problems with, but until we can find a better in Latin America, someone's gonna do it. 

https://www.archysport.com/2023/05/hyl-baseball-academy-denounces-alleged-scam-by-father-of-talented-prospect/

It's still a ways away, so it's not really important, but this is a 13 year old kid here. It's not hard to see he's got talent.

 

 

[brewcrewdue80]

He should be in the top 25 rankings when the prospect lists are updated post draft signings.  Chourio's ceiling is higher, but from the prospect view,  Quero has no doubt cemented himself as a future AS at Catcher.  That's his floor which is a ceiling for a catcher right?  There's no doubt he has a 10+year career in the majors ahead of him.  You're talking Martin Maldonaldo with batting skills while still growing those skills.  Considering competition with the OF I dunno that I can say Chourio will be an AS by the end of his team control. 

So that makes Quero the best team prospect at this moment of posting. 

What's keeping the Brewers from promoting Quero to AAA already?  Are they going to wait 75games like last season to promote him?  Waiting on Chourio to reach the time he will be called up?

[igor67]

Long term it's not really an issue, but I would guess the Brewers might in part be slow to promote Quero because Catcher is not an immediate need. He's still super young let him work on AA the whole year, get some more time next year in spring working with the MLB guys and send him to AAA as a potential call-up but really hoping you don't need him full time for 2 more years.

[Fear The Chorizo]

What's keeping the Brewers from promoting Quero to AAA already?

Well, for starters having their current starting everyday catcher (Contreras) still being over a full season from entering salary arbitration is a good reason to let a 20 year old catching prospect continue developing in AA.  I'd imagine the plan for Quero is to have him start in AAA next spring, and then if his production forces their hand they'd call him up during the season as a 21 year old catcher or possibly in 2025.  Even if he was held back making his MLB debut until 2025, Quero would be the youngest everyday catcher in the majors by far.

There's no rush.

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

What's keeping the Brewers from promoting Quero to AAA already?

Well, for starters having their current starting everyday catcher (Contreras) still being over a full season from entering salary arbitration is a good reason to let a 20 year old catching prospect continue developing in AA.  I'd imagine the plan for Quero is to have him start in AAA next spring, and then if his production forces their hand they'd call him up during the season as a 21 year old catcher or possibly in 2025.  Even if he was held back making his MLB debut until 2025, Quero would be the youngest everyday catcher in the majors by far.

There's no rush.

He’s Rule 5 eligible this offseason and he will need to be protected so while there isn’t a huge rush, they are burning option years going forward if he just stays in AAA all next season