Is Quero Our Top Prospect?

[BrewerFan]

34 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I think that honor still belongs to the Baltimore Orioles. 

Also, I love Quero, but what Ethan Salas is doing at 17 years old in full-season ball is incredible. 

It does(belong to the Os IMO), but they're graduating so many guys...still a few yet this year most likely while the Brewers have a really nice young core of guys in the lower levels who are I think will step up into that top 100-150 range in the next year before Quero, Chourio and a couple others graduate. 

 

Baltimore made the mistake of investing money into the LA market though...

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One of the first splashes the Orioles’ revamped international scouting department made in Latin America, Basallo signed for $1.3 million out of the Dominican Republic in 2021, receiving what -- at the time -- was the largest bonus ever given by the O’s to an international prospect.

What are they thinking? They could have signed...a veteran MiLB free agent for that! Probably two of them...now they just have a silly top 100 catcher hitting well in A ball at 18.

Obvious sarcasm, but I'm not a fan of the blue. I can't really read it with the black backdrop...

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

I would absolutely take the extra relief pitcher or 2 WAR outfielder each year.  Our top prospect list has been littered with DSL guys for years, they come stateside, they don't hit the ball.  Hopefully they at least get some value out of Chourio and Quero by trading them at the deadline this year while both are still considered prospects.

I feel like this is just an argument you made...perhaps when Arcia didn't become a star(though he became a 2+ WAR player for us, which is EXACTLY what you'd rather have). Is this something you ACTUALLY believe?

Does seeing Wander Franco for the Rays or Juan Soto, Tatis Jr, HALF of the players in WAR in MLB(position players) from Latin America, that...means nothing to you? 

So what'll change your mind? How about if Chourio and Quero are just 3 WAR players(lets say neither end up as good as projected right now)? Would that do it? Or is this a situation where you're going down with the ship irrespective of the mountains and mountains of evidence that run contrary to this...argument you're making. 

[SF70]

25 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I think that honor still belongs to the Baltimore Orioles. 

Also, I love Quero, but what Ethan Salas is doing at 17 years old in full-season ball is incredible. 

I like MKE’s farm positionals, with the 4 recent draft-picks added. The farm likely loses Frelick over the next year or less, but that’s probably about it, and during that time they have enough high-end prospect depth for there to be numerous breakouts, with 3-4 joining the top 100.

I’m sticking with Quero over Salas, but certainly understand you going with Salas. He’s off to a great start and certainly has the pedigree and the hype.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, SF70 said:

I like MKE’s farm positionals, with the 4 recent draft-picks added. The farm likely loses Frelick over the next year or less, but that’s probably about it, and during that time they have enough high-end prospect depth for there to be numerous breakouts, with 3-4 joining the top 100.

I’m sticking with Quero over Salas, but certainly understand you going with Salas. He’s off to a great start and certainly has the pedigree and the hype.

Well, yeah, you may very well be right over the next 3-4 years, but right now...the O's do have a ridiculous amount of young talent in that farm system. I'm just as confident as you about the next 3-4 years, but there's a lot of projection while Baltimore has...what, 6 top ~60 position player prospects and a few in the top 30.

 

I have no opinion on Salas beyond...great year at low A for a 17 year old who seems to be advanced defensively. Never seen him. If he becomes a superstar...well, good for whatever team the Pads trade him to.

 

Side Note-If the Pads were run like the Brewers...they would PROBABLY have a huge window to win right now. They've dumped soo much talent and they keep finding it. It's like if Tampa Bay was stupid, impatient and spent money poorly. 

I want to see a team made up of traded Padres. Bet it's better than what they've got now.

[wiguy94]

10 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I have no opinion on Salas beyond...great year at low A for a 17 year old who seems to be advanced defensively. Never seen him. If he becomes a superstar...well, good for whatever team the Pads trade him to.

This is so accurate and funny at the same time.

[SomewhereInTime]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I feel like this is just an argument you made...perhaps when Arcia didn't become a star(though he became a 2+ WAR player for us, which is EXACTLY what you'd rather have). Is this something you ACTUALLY believe?

Does seeing Wander Franco for the Rays or Juan Soto, Tatis Jr, HALF of the players in WAR in MLB(position players) from Latin America, that...means nothing to you? 

So what'll change your mind? How about if Chourio and Quero are just 3 WAR players(lets say neither end up as good as projected right now)? Would that do it? Or is this a situation where you're going down with the ship irrespective of the mountains and mountains of evidence that run contrary to this...argument you're making. 

I am not against Latin American players.  Many of them are stars in the league.  I am against the DSL and the practice of signing 16 year olds.  Its a stupid investment when the average age of an MLB rookie is 24 years old.  It's not surprising that the Brewers have seen little to no return on their investment.

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

I am not against Latin American players.  Many of them are stars in the league.  I am against the DSL and the practice of signing 16 year olds.  Its a stupid investment when the average age of an MLB rookie is 24 years old.  It's not surprising that the Brewers have seen little to no return on their investment.

No, it's not a suprise the Brewers have seen little return on their investment as they've JUST recently made the investment.

And it's comical you're ALL for those Latin American players...just dump Chourio and Quero now(two players who look like Star to Superstar type players).

So you're not against getting the superstars(unless they're already in the system, then just get rid of them) you're just the most cost effective way to get superstars...?

That makes sense?

All so they can sign that extra reliever or 4th OFer with the savings each year!

 

Ok...you sucked me in again. I'm gonna need to post a Mark Twain quote on the computer so I don't engage in this again.

[SomewhereInTime]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

No, it's not a suprise the Brewers have seen little return on their investment as they've JUST recently made the investment.

And it's comical you're ALL for those Latin American players...just dump Chourio and Quero now(two players who look like Star to Superstar type players).

So you're not against getting the superstars(unless they're already in the system, then just get rid of them) you're just the most cost effective way to get superstars...?

That makes sense?

All so they can sign that extra reliever or 4th OFer with the savings each year!

 

Ok...you sucked me in again. I'm gonna need to post a Mark Twain quote on the computer so I don't engage in this again.

I'll take the extra reliever or outfielder over blowing the money on lottery tickets.

[CheeseheadInQC]

8 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

I am not against Latin American players.  Many of them are stars in the league.  I am against the DSL and the practice of signing 16 year olds.  Its a stupid investment when the average age of an MLB rookie is 24 years old.  It's not surprising that the Brewers have seen little to no return on their investment.

Are there flaws in the current system? Sure. But that doesn’t make unilateral disarmament a smart play. It means spreading risk around (don’t make the give everything to Gilbert Lara mistake again) and putting a big focus on player development. 

[brewcrewdue80]

So this Chourio guy is white hot as if he seen this post. 7 of last 8 games with multiple hits. HRs, doubles, and Sbs. 

Shout out to Tyler Black as it's either 2 games in a row or 2 of last 3 leading off the game with a triple. Followed by Chourio driving him in with a single. 1-0 leads just like that.

[wibadgers23]

23 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Shout out to Tyler Black as it's either 2 games in a row or 2 of last 3 leading off the game with a triple. Followed by Chourio driving him in with a single. 1-0 leads just like that.

Yeah I said this in the game thread last night but that is a deadly 1-2-3 that opposing pitchers have to face in Black, Chourio and Quero. Exciting for us though!

[Jenkins5]

Lottery tickets are what a farm system is all about. You never know what these guys will do or become. Doesn't matter if it is a top 10 pick, 11th round kid, a bonus baby international signing, a 10k international signing. You hit and miss up and down that list. However, the more lottery tickets you buy, the higher the likely it is to hit on a future all-star with 6 years of control. You can hate international signing of 16 year olds all you want, but it is very hypocritical to then cheer and love players like Uribe, Chourio, Quero, L. Lara, etc as they become top prospects, and start going on to have success at MLB level or bring back great value in trades. 

It is the system. Just like the draft, teams are given a bonus pool to budget in and use. Brewers went very long time with little investment in international signings. They are only really 5 years or so into their efforts. It would be horrible practice to not turn over those rocks and take those lottery tickets. Most of the top run farm system have very good DSL programs and are very active in the market. If Brewers were to go back to not investing much again, they would fall back behind.

 

Brewers are only signing about 12-13 picks a year. since rule changes. Bunch of those are underslot low ceiling guys. Be pretty darn hard to develop strong small market farm system relying on just the draft to bring talent and avoiding international market. 

 

 

[wallus]

KL has Quero #11 on his top 100 now. The kid is flying up like Chourio did last year.

[ARobsBrewCrew]

On 7/16/2023 at 6:04 AM, SomewhereInTime said:

I'll take the extra reliever or outfielder over blowing the money on lottery tickets.

This is truly a sight to behold.  Not trying to pick a fight, it’s just that this sentence is something special.  It really is.

[Scooterfletcher]

Probably Quero for now but Chourio is the one with mvp potential..

[SomewhereInTime]

5 hours ago, ARobsBrewCrew said:

This is truly a sight to behold.  Not trying to pick a fight, it’s just that this sentence is something special.  It really is.

People can laugh at it if they want, but plain and simply, signing 16 year olds for millions of dollars has not worked out to this point for the Brewers.  Now sure they do the same thing with the draft, but draft picks work out at a much higher rate as these are 18, 21, or 22 year olds generally.  I hope these two end up as quality big leaguers one day for the Brewers but I doubt it will work out.

[SF70]

1 hour ago, SomewhereInTime said:

People can laugh at it if they want, but plain and simply, signing 16 year olds for millions of dollars has not worked out to this point for the Brewers.  Now sure they do the same thing with the draft, but draft picks work out at a much higher rate as these are 18, 21, or 22 year olds generally.  I hope these two end up as quality big leaguers one day for the Brewers but I doubt it will work out.

It’s already worked-out.

They have 2 of the top international prospects in baseball. 10-13 (depending on the site) of their top 30 prospects are international signings.

Your narrative is 4-5 years too late.

My suggestion isn’t to wallow in the past Gilbert Lara era any longer, and join the fun.

[CheeseheadInQC]

4 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

People can laugh at it if they want, but plain and simply, signing 16 year olds for millions of dollars has not worked out to this point for the Brewers.  Now sure they do the same thing with the draft, but draft picks work out at a much higher rate as these are 18, 21, or 22 year olds generally.  I hope these two end up as quality big leaguers one day for the Brewers but I doubt it will work out.

I think the only international player the Brewers have signed for millions plural is Lara. Chourio is next at roughly what Bitonti just signed for. I believe Quero got less than everyone in the top 10 other than the senior signs in rounds 7-10. The international pool is slightly more than half of what the draft pool is and probably close to half when you account for the 11-20 $150,000 guys.

The Brewers currently have arguably one of the top 3 hitting seasons in the minors among 18 (Lara), 19 (Chourio) and 20 year olds (Quero).

The solution was always to get better at scouting and developing in the international market, not abandon it. It seems like the Brewers have done just that.

[markedman5]

 

[ARobsBrewCrew]

6 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

People can laugh at it if they want, but plain and simply, signing 16 year olds for millions of dollars has not worked out to this point for the Brewers.  Now sure they do the same thing with the draft, but draft picks work out at a much higher rate as these are 18, 21, or 22 year olds generally.  I hope these two end up as quality big leaguers one day for the Brewers but I doubt it will work out.

Honestly, if they sign fifty 16-year-olds for $1 million a piece and get one Chourio or Quero out of it who turns into a star (not a sure thing, but they’re on their way), it is completely worth it.  Regardless of anyone’s feelings on the matter, that’s the truth.

[wallus]

43 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

This should be posted anytime people talk about trading him.

[markedman5]

11 minutes ago, wallus said:

This should be posted anytime people talk about trading him.

Are people seriously talking about trading him? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[wallus]

49 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Are people seriously talking about trading him? 🤦🏻‍♂️

In the Trade Rumors Forum, yes...