Atlanta (Elder) vs Brewers (Teheran): 7/23/23, 1:10pm

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, 82brewcrew82 said:

Why?  The numbers certainly suggest a platoon would be appropriate.

Because Wiemer is a cornerstone of the future and bats right-handed. He needs exposure to MLB pitching from both sides of the rubber.

I’m fine with giving him more days off against righties but strongly against a strict platoon. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 minute ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Why?  The numbers certainly suggest a platoon would be appropriate.

Moving forward, I could see Wiemer sitting vs SOME righties. Not a straight platoon, but getting some downtime vs RHP's that locate sliders & curveballs particularly well.

[82brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Moving forward, I could see Wiemer sitting vs SOME righties. Not a straight platoon, but getting some downtime vs RHP's that locate sliders & curveballs particularly well.

The eye test says they don't have to locate particularly well and the numbers back it up.  The "hack at everything" approach he brings is going to need to drastically change before he can be called a cornerstone piece for the future.  I don't know if he will ever get there and there have always been questions about this with Joey coming up the minors.  He may get there but there is some over the top talk about Joey being a "cornerstone" and what not.  Maybe he will be, but he hasn't earned that yet.

[sveumrules]

Yeah, tiny samples obviously but Wiemer has a 34 wRC+ since the ASB compared to a 90 wRC+ for Perkins.

Don’t think a strict platoon is in order or in store just yet, moreso a case of playing the “hotter” bat who has been better vs RHP so far this year in hopes of eke-ing out an extra run against the best team in MLB.

Wiemer can always come on for a big PA vs a lefty if the situation arises later in the game.

[brewerfan82]

I like Wiemer, love his defense, and am intrigued by the bat when he's on, but we're getting to the point of the season where the big league club needs to do what's best for their playoff hopes, which won't necessarily align with putting a player's development first for the next couple months. It's been difficult to sit Wiemer or send him down to this point due to our lack of outfield alternatives, but bringing Frelick up may be the start of that turning. I'd like to see us still grab a bat that solidifies the outfield a bit (maybe a Bellinger or Pham type) at which point letting Wiemer "take a break", re-group, and earn that extra year down at AAA might be a good move for a couple weeks, especially if they're going to start limiting his role on the big league club anyways.

[RedStickBrew]

20 minutes ago, Ewitkows1 said:

He just had 4 days off last week with the all star game. I hope they don't start platooning him.

I agree.  But, as @sveumrules pointed out above his 66 wRC+ v RH pitching is not great.  I watched Wiemer live several times last year in Biloxi and do not recall all the movement in the batters box as he's showing this year- everything is moving. Maybe he can work on some of his mechanics against lefties and improve as the year progresses. I love the guy and want to see him in the lineup everyday.

[82brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, brewerfan82 said:

I like Wiemer, love his defense, and am intrigued by the bat when he's on, but we're getting to the point of the season where the big league club needs to do what's best for their playoff hopes, which won't necessarily align with putting a player's development first for the next couple months. It's been difficult to sit Wiemer or send him down to this point due to our lack of outfield alternatives, but bringing Frelick up may be the start of that turning. I'd like to see us still grab a bat that solidifies the outfield a bit (maybe a Bellinger or Pham type) at which point letting Wiemer "take a break", re-group, and earn that extra year down at AAA might be a good move for a couple weeks, especially if they're going to start limiting his role on the big league club anyways.

If you're just going to sit the guy for a few games to "clear his head" then they should have sent him down.  With the off day he would have missed maximum of 11 games and probably less to gain that year.  Sending a guy down because he can't hit is not service time manipulation.

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

The eye test says they don't have to locate particularly well and the numbers back it up.  The "hack at everything" approach he brings is going to need to drastically change before he can be called a cornerstone piece for the future.  I don't know if he will ever get there and there have always been questions about this with Joey coming up the minors.  He may get there but there is some over the top talk about Joey being a "cornerstone" and what not.  Maybe he will be, but he hasn't earned that yet.

Given his approach (at times) I think breaking stuff off the plate is locating "well", if you know what I mean. But he doesn't do much damage to hittable breaking balls either. The chasing is something he needs to reign in, for sure. He shows signs but it's very intermittent.

It's a big part of the reason I was so against CC moving him up in the order for a few days when he had the hot streak.

[82brewcrew82]

21 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Because Wiemer is a cornerstone of the future and bats right-handed. He needs exposure to MLB pitching from both sides of the rubber.

I’m fine with giving him more days off against righties but strongly against a strict platoon. 

This team, supposedly, is not in rebuild/development mode.  If he isn't ready to hit in the major leagues he shouldn't be there.

[MVP2110]

Yea it should be one or the other. If Wiemer can't hit righties he should be in the minors for a bit to figure that out and gain that extra year. If he's in the bigs he should be playing. Having him in the bigs and not playing is just a waste

[Brock Beauchamp]

24 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

This team, supposedly, is not in rebuild/development mode.  If he isn't ready to hit in the major leagues he shouldn't be there.

It's impossible to develop against MLB pitching if you don't face it.

Anthony Volpe leads the league in games played and has a 82 OPS+. Are the Yankees rebuilding?

[sveumrules]

10 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Yea it should be one or the other. If Wiemer can't hit righties he should be in the minors for a bit to figure that out and gain that extra year. If he's in the bigs he should be playing. Having him in the bigs and not playing is just a waste

I don’t think it’s an either or at all. He started 91 of 99 games in his first MLB season, then got two days off.

Unless an everyday OF is acquired at the deadline, I’d imagine Wiemer still starts around five games a week with occasional days off against RH.

[Brewcrew82]

Let's just say I don't have the greatest feeling with Teheran going against this lineup. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

19 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

Yea it should be one or the other. If Wiemer can't hit righties he should be in the minors for a bit to figure that out and gain that extra year. If he's in the bigs he should be playing. Having him in the bigs and not playing is just a waste

Wiemer was excellent against RHP in the minors. There is no magical "git gud" button to press in the minor leagues because there are no Gerrit Coles or Corbin Burnes in the minors. Guys just need the exposure against the best talent in the world as they figure out that final step.

[82brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

It's impossible to develop against MLB pitching if you don't face it.

Anthony Volpe leads the league in games played. Are the Yankees rebuilding?

I don't care what the Yankees are doing or not doing with Volpe but that doesn't change the fact that there is a legitimate argument that Weimer should be platooned.

[jason21nl]

Not at all optimistic about todays game 

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, 82brewcrew82 said:

I don't care what the Yankees are doing or not doing with Volpe but that doesn't change the fact that there is a legitimate argument that Weimer should be platooned.

The reality of baseball is that rookies are unfinished products. If you never try to let them develop and polish their remaining deficits, they'll never reach their potential.

[82brewcrew82]

Just now, Brock Beauchamp said:

The reality of baseball is that rookies are unfinished products. If you never try to let them develop and polish their remaining deficits, they'll never reach their potential.

That is not a rule.  There are plenty of rookies having far more offensive success than Joey is.  There are also plenty of rookies that have come up, struggled, got sent down and then returned and been very productive players.  Still more have been platooned at some point in their early careers.  Nobody is saying Joey will never be a good everyday player, just saying he isn't right now.  Every game thread points out how awful this offense is.  I don't see why there is such a resistance by a few to a pretty obvious upgrade.

[82brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Let's just say I don't have the greatest feeling with Teheran going against this lineup. 

One inning facing the minimum.

[markedman5]

Love the pick off to end the inning……..beautiful 

[phnxcrew]

If we can get adames going this lineup could move into the “ok” category.  

[82brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, phnxcrew said:

If we can get adames going this lineup could move into the “ok” category.  

Then find a way to add a couple of bats and now you got something.

[rickh150]

Taylor, Perkins, Anderson(hurt), Wiemer….. not great coverage offensively in RF or CF. Frelick had a great debut, but arguably he could have been 0-3 with seeing eye singles. I’m all for a rental with .780 OPS to fill 2023. Super great promise in OF from 2024-2028 with Yelich and just our prospects, though.

I am ok with Wiemer sitting a bit more with Frelick up. Sure. 

[duewizard]

AVG down to .750 by Frelick. Bust!

[Brewcrew82]

Man that is more really good hitting by the Braves. At least today it's a solo shot.