Brewers Acquire Carlos Santana from Pirates

[True Blue Brew Crew]

The appropriate expenditure of assets that the 2023 team warrants. A prospect outside of the top 20 for a bat that is not super high impact but yet a significant improvement over what they've been getting from much of the lineup to date. Exactly the kind of trade I've been calling for on the transaction rumors and proposals forum.

[AdvantageSchneider]

26 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Thank you, this is exactly my thought. I mean I knew I'd come here seeing people excited about this move, but it's not much more than a "meh" move. Is it better than what they had, sure(that's not saying much) Is it hugely impactful? Not even close. I'd bet anything there will be better hitters(by a substantial margin) acquired at the deadline by clubs(not the brewers obviously). 

It's not an impact bat but it's a sellers market.  Ohtani is off the market.  What other bats are out there that you can get?  Candelario or Thomas from Wash, Grichuk, Bellinger.  Is Stl dealing Arenado?  They might not want to deal him in the division or deal him at all.  That's not a lot of bats.  There probably isn't anyone on the As or KC that could help us.  With the Angels going for it there just aren't that many sellers out there and there are a lot of buyers.   

[JefferyLeonard]

5 minutes ago, nate82 said:

The Braves replaced Acuna's production in 2021 when he went down with multiple band aids.  Acquiring all star talent is not needed.  You can acquire players that improve your situation moderately and have it be a better move.  In 2021 which trades would you have done if you were the Braves acquiring 4 OF's (Pederson, Soler, Duval and Rosario) versus Bryant or Turner and Scherzer?  The acquiring of Pederson, Soler, Duval and Rosario basically won the WS for the Braves in 2021.  The Giants acquiring Bryant got them a divisional title but were beat out by the Dodgers.  The Dodgers then get killed by the Braves in 6 games. 

Sometimes giving up premium talent for all stars is just not worth it.  The return on investment for the Braves was far better than what the Dodgers and Giants got in return. 

Sure multiple band aids. Now, IF(and I highly doubt it), the Crew goes out and acquires 2-3 more bats at the Santana level(or better), then yes, I will give you that, it should be a pretty big upgrade. But does anyone really believe they will go get at least two more bats?? I'll believe it when i see it. 

[HarveysWBs]

This is all especially opaque when we’re talking about deadline deals for rental players.  The relevant sample size shrinks to two months + (hopefully) October.  Even a “band aid” could play out of their mind for a few weeks and lift a team and look like an inspired deal.  Even a “big bat” might pull a hamstring in warmups or go ice cold at the worst possible time.  That’s baseball.  And, quite frankly, I’m pretty glad it’s that way, otherwise, the Dodgers would win every single year—no thanks.

[JefferyLeonard]

2 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

The appropriate expenditure of assets that the 2023 team warrants. A prospect outside of the top 20 for a bat that is not super high impact but yet a significant improvement over what they've been getting from much of the lineup to date. Exactly the kind of trade I've been calling for on the transaction rumors and proposals forum.

Ironically, Santana is exactly the kind of profile bat that the Crew always signs in the off season, and how has that worked out for them? 

[nate82]

1 minute ago, AdvantageSchneider said:

Is Stl dealing Arenado?

If the Cardinals decide to trade Arenado it will be for pitching and unfortunately the Brewers just don't have the prospects to outbid anyone other than a few teams who wouldn't be trading for Arenado.  The Dodgers would easily be able to match and beat any offer the Brewers put out there for Arenado even if the Brewers included Chourio in the deal. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Ironically, Santana is exactly the kind of profile bat that the Crew always signs in the off season, and how has that worked out for them? 

The risk is much lower at this point with more than half of his 2023 contract already paid and a 2023 collection of at bats to evaluate.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Sure multiple band aids. Now, IF(and I highly doubt it), the Crew goes out and acquires 2-3 more bats at the Santana level, then yes, I will give you that, it should be a pretty big upgrade. But does anyone really believe they will go get at least two more bats?? I'll believe it when i see it. 

How on earth can you be freaking out when there's still 5 whole days to go until the deadline? The fact that we got someone this far out is pretty surprising and a good job by Arnold. 

Come back to me on Tuesday at 5 PM, and then we can talk about whether they did enough. 

[JefferyLeonard]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

How on earth can you be freaking out when there's still 5 whole days to go until the deadline? The fact that we got someone this far out is pretty surprising and a good job by Arnold. 

Come back to me on Tuesday at 5 PM, and then we can talk about whether they did enough. 

And that's fair, but come on, what in the Brewers past indicates they will go out and get 2-3 more bats? They upgraded 1B, but for my $$, still need upgrades at 2B, 3B, DH and an OF spot. And no, calling up Hiura  or moving internal pieces around, doesn't count. 

[markedman5]

Just now, JefferyLeonard said:

And that's fair, but come on, what in the Brewers past indicates they will go out and get 2-3 more bats? They upgraded 1B, but for my $$, still need upgrades at 2B, 3B, DH and an OF spot. And no, calling up Hiura  or moving internal pieces around, doesn't count. 

I think you win the prize for most bitter brewer fan…….and there is a decent amount of competition! 
 

They were never going to overhaul half the starting lineup at the trade deadline…….nobody does that.

 

 

[markedman5]

 

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

And that's fair, but come on, what in the Brewers past indicates they will go out and get 2-3 more bats? They upgraded 1B, but for my $$, still need upgrades at 2B, 3B, DH and an OF spot. And no, calling up Hiura  or moving internal pieces around, doesn't count. 

They need another bullpen piece as well. Especially if they don't get another bat. They burn down the reliable pen quickly playing all the close games. Need another option to help.

[willie key]

Even an average hitter would help this team immensely 

[folly412]

2 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

Forgot Megill was even up.  

Wouldn't be surprised if there was another move, knowing Wilson is supposed to be activated.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, JefferyLeonard said:

And that's fair, but come on, what in the Brewers past indicates they will go out and get 2-3 more bats? They upgraded 1B, but for my $$, still need upgrades at 2B, 3B, DH and an OF spot. And no, calling up Hiura  or moving internal pieces around, doesn't count. 

Well, I'm glad that you're at least admitting now they upgraded 1B!

Luis Urias is smoking hot in AAA right now and has been a 110 wRC+ hitter the last two seasons. That would upgrade 2B and/or 3B.

I'll give you DH. What we've been getting from Winker isn't close to good enough. We'll see what they do there. A Ruf/Rowdy platoon, assuming they're back in relatively short order, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, though. 

LF is obviously set. CF is set between Wiemer, Frelick, and Perkins. They could use another corner OF bat, perhaps Grichuk?

I personally think they need at least one more above average bat (Grichuk, Candelario, etc.). We'll see what they do. 

 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

1 minute ago, folly412 said:

Forgot Megill was even up.  

Wouldn't be surprised if there was another move, knowing Wilson is supposed to be activated.

Yeah, I really don't see Turang going down anytime soon. Toro or Jahmai Jones seem the liveliest candidates to be in Nashville before too long. 

[owbc]

43 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Thank you, this is exactly my thought. I mean I knew I'd come here seeing people excited about this move, but it's not much more than a "meh" move. Is it better than what they had, sure(that's not saying much) Is it hugely impactful? Not even close. I'd bet anything there will be better hitters(by a substantial margin) acquired at the deadline by clubs(not the brewers obviously). 

You're going to be pleasantly surprised. His numbers are what they are, but he's a guy that you want to have up at the plate in a crucial situation. And he's the kind of vet that is like adding another hitting coach to the roster. I can almost guarantee that one of the young guys on the roster is going to have a hot September that he will attribute to some change that Carlos suggested. Go read some articles about the impact that he had on the 2022 Mariners, he was acquired on June 27, 2022 and there were already articles raving about how he turned around their season by late July of last year. 

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

They need another bullpen piece as well. Especially if they don't get another bat. They burn down the reliable pen quickly playing all the close games. Need another option to help.

Justin Wilson and Aaron Ashby seem like pretty good bullpen adds to me.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, damuelle said:

Woo hoo!! Got a high floor player who fills MLB team's need. Traded from surplus. Let's go!!!

That's what I like about it. High floor; switch hitter. Severino certainly fits "lottery ticket" category, and trading a middle INF certainly is dealing from a crowded house. Personally I thought we'd have to go a tiny bit higher up the developmental ladder for Santana.

I view it as moderate return at a minimum, maybe more, for an easy-to-swallow cost. Good job, FO.

[sveumrules]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

Justin Wilson and Aaron Ashby seem like pretty good bullpen adds to me.

Plus Houser when Woodruff/Miley are ready to return to the rotation.

[willie key]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Justin Wilson and Aaron Ashby seem like pretty good bullpen adds to me.

The last thing I’m worried about is bullpen depth with this team.    Heck I’d rather have a starter if you are getting pitching.     But hitters hitters hitters is what we need

[nate82]

Just now, sveumrules said:

Plus Houser when Woodruff/Miley are ready to return to the rotation.

Could also move Peralta to the bullpen if the Brewers acquire another starter. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, wibadgers23 said:

He has 25 doubles on the season and a really good SO:BB walk ratio as usual.

Forgot to add that. Like the K:BB ratio quite a bit.

[JefferyLeonard]

11 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

I think you win the prize for most bitter brewer fan…….and there is a decent amount of competition! 
 

They were never going to overhaul half the starting lineup at the trade deadline…….nobody does that.

 

 

2021 World Series champions Atlanta Braves say hi.

[SomewhereInTime]

Always good to pickup up someone at the deadline basically for free.