Brewers (Peralta) vs Pirates (TBD): 9/6/23, 11:35am

[Sugarrayray]

4 minutes ago, Marc Newfield of Dreams said:

The point is to stand up for your guys. They're hanging on by a thread right now. Division lead will probably be down to a game by tomorrow night.

Anything that could galvanize them is worth a shot.

That is exactly the point I’m making. I’m not saying he has to act like Sweet Lou, but quickly packing it in meakly seems like exactly the type of energy the team doesn’t need right now…

[brewers888]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

At the very least, I hope Craig has learned to go with Uribe instead of Peguero in the 7th inning.

Very much doubt it as Craig like most managers has his guys and Elvis is one of them.

[Jim French Stepstool]

What I thought this hinged on was when Pitt tied the game in the sixth, Peralta gives up a one-out single to Reynolds. Big deal. But for the next two ABs I really thought he reverted back to May-June Fred. Didn't really go after Hayes, apparently because he homered off him in the 1st. Then falls behind Sowinski before the double. Had enough in the tank but sure didn't attack the way he had been.

What also really hurt was the 8th. Holderman misses badly to go down 2-0. Santana then chooses to swing--down two leading off the inning--and tops a weak grounder. Next three batters get base hits. He's come up with some big ABs since coming here but that was a bad time to be a moron.

Then Yelich does his best Adames-in-the-middle-of-a-slump impersonation in the 9th. Even when he's hitting the ball well, it's maddening to see someone intersperse so many clownshow at-bats into his workload. And it's not like he's trying to muscle up or anything. 

I was OK with Tellez hitting for Turang because, while I don't think Turangs' swing is getting long again, he IS back to chase mode a little bit. If he was putting up the ABs he was 2-3 weeks ago I certainly let him hit there.

[brewers888]

The problem with this team isn't lack of energy its lack of consistent offense and all the arguing against umpires won't turn this into a good offensive team.

[Sugarrayray]

2 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

.Learning how to score some runs against bad pitching would help a lot more than complaiing about the umpires.

True, but those things are not mutually exclusive. 

[brewers888]

It might be crazy but should the team consider giving Chourio a chance to give this offense a boost. I would be in favor only if they think he can handle the potential failure.

[Sugarrayray]

2 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

What I thought this hinged on was when Pitt tied the game in the sixth, Peralta gives up a one-out single to Reynolds. Big deal. But for the next two ABs I really thought he reverted back to May-June Fred. Didn't really go after Hayes, apparently because he homered off him in the 1st. Then falls behind Sowinski before the double. Had enough in the tank but sure didn't attack the way he had been.

What also really hurt was the 8th. Holderman misses badly to go down 2-0. Santana then chooses to swing--down two leading off the inning--and tops a weak grounder. Next three batters get base hits. He's come up with some big ABs since coming here but that was a bad time to be a moron.

Then Yelich does his best Adames-in-the-middle-of-a-slump impersonation in the 9th. Even when he's hitting the ball well, it's maddening to see someone intersperse so many clownshow at-bats into his workload. And it's not like he's trying to muscle up or anything. 

I was OK with Tellez hitting for Turang because, while I don't think Turangs' swing is getting long again, he IS back to chase mode a little bit. If he was putting up the ABs he was 2-3 weeks ago I certainly let him hit there.

Yep those were all the major inflection points. 

[HarryDoyle]

It's okay that we lost two of three to the Pirates though because we're still in first place.

[Nola Beery]

How ironic that the main article on the website is about how we got "freed from our offensive funk." What absolute garbage!

We score plenty of runs only when the other team walks us and throws in an error or 2. This feeble offense  is nauseating.  <end of redundant rant>

[Nola Beery]

Just now, HarryDoyle said:

It's okay that we lost two of three to the Pirates though because we're still in first place.

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[Brewcrew82]

9 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

What I thought this hinged on was when Pitt tied the game in the sixth, Peralta gives up a one-out single to Reynolds. Big deal. But for the next two ABs I really thought he reverted back to May-June Fred. Didn't really go after Hayes, apparently because he homered off him in the 1st. Then falls behind Sowinski before the double. Had enough in the tank but sure didn't attack the way he had been.

What also really hurt was the 8th. Holderman misses badly to go down 2-0. Santana then chooses to swing--down two leading off the inning--and tops a weak grounder. Next three batters get base hits. He's come up with some big ABs since coming here but that was a bad time to be a moron.

Then Yelich does his best Adames-in-the-middle-of-a-slump impersonation in the 9th. Even when he's hitting the ball well, it's maddening to see someone intersperse so many clownshow at-bats into his workload. And it's not like he's trying to muscle up or anything. 

I was OK with Tellez hitting for Turang because, while I don't think Turangs' swing is getting long again, he IS back to chase mode a little bit. If he was putting up the ABs he was 2-3 weeks ago I certainly let him hit there.

Thank you for bringing some rationality into the post-game discussion.

Only move I don't think was justified was putting Peguero in the game when he's been so bad on back-to-back days pitching. It's like that one anomaly appearance for Uribe against the Padres scared CC off from using Uribe at all in high leverage when he's all but earned it aside from that game. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

13 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

I agree it really makes no difference. How about scoring more than one run the last 8 innings against trash pitching.

A decent point made sour by the fact that there's nothing trashy about Holderman & Bednar. And those two innings probably had most of their good ABs, save for Santana & Yelich.

[yourout]

I know he had had a mediocre season but i wish Reynolds was a brewer.

At least then he wouldn't OPS 1000 against us.

[Bulldogboy]

Losing 2 out of 3 with the three amigos pitching is the warning sign you need to see that this team is in trouble. Now into Yankee stadium with Rea and a short porch. Fun

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Thank you for bringing some rationality into the post-game discussion.

Only move I don't think was justified was putting Peguero in the game when he's been so bad on back-to-back days pitching. It's like that one anomaly appearance for Uribe against the Padres scared him off from using Uribe at all in high leverage when he's all but earned it aside from that game. 

I agree with this take. Uribe for me aside from the one bad outing has been money. Counsell appears to be spooked with using him. Unfortunate because he has the best stuff Williams included. 

[Sugarrayray]

6 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

It's okay that we lost two of three to the Pirates though because we're still in first place.

That is true 15 games above 500 is still nice. And privately I think the Cubs are reaching their zenith just a bit too soon :)

[BruisedCrew]

Meanwhile Hicks is cruising into the 7th inning with a shutout over the Giants. 
 

I don’t think waiting for the Cubs pitching to collapse is going to be a good idea. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 minutes ago, Nola Beery said:

How ironic that the main article on the website is about how we got "freed from our offensive funk." What absolute garbage!

We score plenty of runs only when the other team walks us and throws in an error or 2. This feeble offense  is nauseating.  <end of redundant rant>

Except I think a lot of those walks we've drawn have been earned. That's almost always part of the mix when you have a big inning. As for the errors.......when we had the three-run error vs Philly, yeah, that was a huge gift. But it was preceded by a couple line drive hits, Santana drawing a walk, then Taylor showing discipline like I've never seen from him to draw a bases-loaded walk.  If not for those ABs the error never occurs because you never get that far into the inning. Point is, this team put up a lot of great ABs to take advantage of & create situations. What happened in the two losses in Pitt was what Counsell usually talks about, not getting the "next hit".

[tmwiese55]

talking as if CC is coasting, not caring, checked out etc is just way off.  He's one of the top faves for NL manager of the year.  And they're doing it with a trash O lineup and a completely new bullpen of new names outside of Williams. They just won like 10 in a row, was he checked out not caring, was anyone saying that then.  Just 3 days ago they were a half game from sweeping the red hot Phils with a manager who seeming does care/try. Was anyone saying it then.   It is impossible to get every bullpen entrance/yank correct. 

[Sugarrayray]

1 minute ago, tmwiese55 said:

talking as if CC is coasting, not caring, checked out etc is just way off.  He's one of the top faves for NL manager of the year.  They just won like 10 in a row, was he checked out not caring, was anyone saying that then.  Just 3 days ago they were a half game from sweeping the red hot Phils with a manager who seeming does care/try. Was anyone saying it then.   It is impossible to get every bullpen entrance/yank correct. 

I actually was physically saying it aloud then, but it’s foul to just write a bunch of negative stuff on a site when the team is winning a lot. That’s just being negative for the sake of being negative. But yeah, throughout the game I am constantly miffed. More often I’m pleased by him than not, but frequently he does things terribly that oft get overlooked because of how good a manager he is. Kinda like Big Mike McCarthy the first 5 or so years he coached in Green Bay. Now I’m not comparing the two, I think Craigary is infinitely better, but the point still stands about bad decisions being chronically over looked when the team keeps winning just enough.

[Jim French Stepstool]

14 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Thank you for bringing some rationality into the post-game discussion.

Only move I don't think was justified was putting Peguero in the game when he's been so bad on back-to-back days pitching. It's like that one anomaly appearance for Uribe against the Padres scared CC off from using Uribe at all in high leverage when he's all but earned it aside from that game. 

I think Peguero hasn't pitched in the best of luck recently. But today, no, he wasn't good.

Uribe certainly has good enough stuff for an increased role. And his ugly outing came immediately after we effectively put the game away with a big inning. Maybe a little mental shutdown, which happens to young'uns sometimes.

[Jim French Stepstool]

19 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Thank you for bringing some rationality into the post-game discussion.

 

You're welcome. It's like shooting fish in a barrel compared to trying to do so in an IGT.😄

[Jim French Stepstool]

24 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

It's okay that we lost two of three to the Pirates though because we're still in first place.

I didn't know Ned Yost posted here.

[willie key]

No way is cc coasting.    He looks as nervous as a parent watching their kids in the state championship game every time they show him in the dugout.    It’s relatable

[tmwiese55]

9 minutes ago, Sugarrayray said:

I actually was physically saying it aloud then, but it’s foul to just write a bunch of negative stuff on a site when the team is winning a lot. That’s just being negative for the sake of being negative. But yeah, throughout the game I am constantly miffed. More often I’m pleased by him than not, but frequently he does things terribly that oft get overlooked because of how good a manager he is. Kinda like Big Mike McCarthy the first 5 or so years he coached in Green Bay. Now I’m not comparing the two, I think Craigary is infinitely better, but the point still stands about bad decisions being chronically over looked when the team keeps winning just enough.

As I said, it's impossible to get all bullpen things right, literally impossible.   At what point do the results he's getting with a fairly cheap/trash roster not show you that what he's been doing is not 'terrible.'  Doesn't a 10 game winning streak prove it, instead you said 'na he's still an idiot'.   Add in too that Woody was out most of the year and Peralta/Burnes have been mediocre (things he really has no control on) and somehow they still have this result pretty much proves it in my opinion.   He's had a patchwork rotation most of the year, all new name BP besides Williams, garbage O roster.   Yet they are where they are.   Doesn't seem like he's 'terrible' to me