Heyman on CC (Will Craig Counsell be the Brewer manager next year?)

[markedman5]

https://nypost.com/2023/09/21/craig-counsells-2024-plans-could-spur-brewers-mets-bidding-war/

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Call me super skeptical of this. Could the Mets swoop in and offer CC way more than the Brewers? Sure. That was always going to happen. 

I suppose it's possible Heyman has new info, but this smacks of "New York Post, drumming up interest and clicks, with some vague story that alludes to a change without asserting anything provable and outlining a remote possibility that already existed."

CC is great. He should do what he wants. I happen to still believe that will involve a year or two off, but who knows? It just seems like a big jump to go from "I'd like more time with family" to "Let's move to New York" in a matter of a week or two.

 

[markedman5]

I think the point is not that he is definitely going to NY……he might just be negotiating and using his free agency as leverage……which is possible and certainly his right.

I think the news is that he plans on managing…….I hope that is true because if he wants to retire or take time off .then we have no chance to retain him.

 

[MoreTrife]

18 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

It just seems like a big jump to go from "I'd like more time with family" to "Let's move to New York" in a matter of a week or two.

 

 

100%. So ridiculous. It's a fact he has four kids, two still in high school I believe. He's going to move his family to New York or be MUCH more away from them? All for David Stearns? So stupid. Both Antanassio and Arnold have hinted that Counsell is in driver's seat. Antanassio isn't rich but he's smart enough to know how valuable Counsell is. He'll pay what is needed. And Counsell is hugely connected to Milwaukee. He's not leaving his family to go to New York for some rebuild and David freaking Stearns. Sick of this crap.

[MoreTrife]

6 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

I think the point is not that he is definitely going to NY……he might just be negotiating and using his free agency as leverage……which is possible and certainly his right.

I think the news is that he plans on managing…….I hope that is true because if he wants to retire or take time off .then we have no chance to retain him.

 

Prior to this story, my thought was he may step away for a few years and the smart move would be to move Pat Murphy up to manager. Either Pat Murphy does well and earns his own team or he graciously steps aside for Counsell's return in a couple of years.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

51 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

I think the point is not that he is definitely going to NY……he might just be negotiating and using his free agency as leverage……which is possible and certainly his right.

I think the news is that he plans on managing…….I hope that is true because if he wants to retire or take time off .then we have no chance to retain him.

 

Yeah, it might be that Heyman really has new info, and CC is more interested in managing than he was before.

I don't buy it, but it's certainly possible.

Whatever the case, if CC is gone next year for one reason or another, the next hire comes with massive stakes. The team will still be in a position to compete, and there will be a lot of youth on the roster. A continuity hire seems the the best bet, so Murphy is logical. That said, trend is definitely toward younger managers. I don't think Jim Henderson is high enough up that he'd be the choice, but maybe someone in that mold?

[markedman5]

How old is Rick Sweet? Might be too soon for Mike Guerrero?

[Brewcrew82]

No way CC is going to New York. National media is doing the exact same thing with their Giannis narrative right now. He'll either step down to be with his kids or be back managing in Milwaukee.

He's said the only thing he has left to do in his career is bring a World Series to Milwaukee. I'd like to think he meant it. 

[nate82]

41 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Whatever the case, if CC is gone next year for one reason or another, the next hire comes with massive stakes. The team will still be in a position to compete, and there will be a lot of youth on the roster. A continuity hire seems the the best bet, so Murphy is logical. That said, trend is definitely toward younger managers. I don't think Jim Henderson is high enough up that he'd be the choice, but maybe someone in that mold?

While Seitzer isn't young I think he will be a popular name come this off season as a possible manager for some team out there.  If we go from CC to Seitzer it wouldn't be the worst move. 

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, nate82 said:

While Seitzer isn't young I think he will be a popular name come this off season as a possible manager for some team out there.  If we go from CC to Seitzer it wouldn't be the worst move. 

Exactly what I've been begging for the past couple months. The type of guy you want around your young wave of hitting talent.

I could see him as the one going to the Mets, too. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

4 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

How old is Rick Sweet? Might be too soon for Mike Guerrero?

Sweet is 71. He and Guerrero are both guys who fit the profile, but I think one is a bit late in his career and the other maybe just not quite high enough in the org....big jump from Biloxi to Milwaukee.

Part of this is why I think the next hire is such a big deal. There aren't very many obvious, "conventional wisdom" type candidates. 

Maybe Derek Johnson is worth a call? I hadn't thought of Seitzer...he would be a decent fit as well.

[shanedog19]

Counsell to the Mets seems very far fetched to me. His one connection is Stearns, and is it even that big of a connection? I don’t buy it for a second and think he will be back managing the Brewers next year. That is, unless we were to win a World Series this year…

[jerichoholicninja]

The only people with less credibility than the news media is the sports media. Make something up, cite anonymous sources, and put it out there. It doesn't take a genius to make the connections he made but he has no actual information to support it. There are plenty of posters here who have been saying Stearns and Counsell were going to the Mets since David stepped down last year. 

[Underachiever]

I think that people not in professional sports move their families for a different opportunity all the time, and it works out. It's one thing to uproot your family and move from Dubuque to the Quad Cities for a better but middle class job. It's another to move them to New York with all the perks and benefits that working for the Mets would provide. 

The ability to "take time off for your family" is something that only the very wealthy can usually consider seriously. If CC wants to go, maybe he thought the family reason would keep the media off of his back and give him the least heat and scrutiny. It's like thinking a player will take a discount because he likes it here. The kind of discussions that happened with Greinke and others. CC's hometown will be here for him to return to at any time. I think filtering my experience and views about home, family, etc. are very different, to CC, and to apply them to his circumstances only sets me up for disappointment.

I travel a lot for work, and I love it. It provides a good living, and I love the new cities I get to visit. Some of my colleagues hate being in airports and hotels. So who knows? I hope they bring CC back. He's a great manager. Why wouldn't Stearns want him?   

[nate82]

If CC does come back I would expect the Brewers will be bringing everyone back so no Burnes, Woodruff or Adames trade(s) and it will be on a short term deal probably a one year deal with options for a second or third year.  If the Brewers plans this off season are to trade all three or one then I don't see CC coming back. 

CC will definitely have his pick of teams that he could coach for.  The White Sox, Red Sox, Yankees, Mets and even the Padres could be options. 

[RobertCrawley]

I think some people overestimate the value of Shorewood, Wisconsin. If the Mets offer CC a ton of money, it would make sense for him to go. He could secure enough wealth so that he would never have to worry about money, AND his kids would never have to worry about money.

That's called taking care of family.

If it comes to it, I hope we win the bidding war. CC operates a casual but professional clubhouse that players love. He's done a lot with an often underperforming team. Without CC, I fear will be cast back to mid-pack and another long drought.

[areacodes]

3 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

The only people with less credibility than the news media is the sports media. Make something up, cite anonymous sources, and put it out there. It doesn't take a genius to make the connections he made but he has no actual information to support it. There are plenty of posters here who have been saying Stearns and Counsell were going to the Mets since David stepped down last year. 

To be fair, it was pretty much one poster just doing that ad nauseam. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

Craig Counsell made $21,000,000 during his playing career. He has made considerable money as a manager since then.

I'm incredibly skeptical this will come down to a bidding war.

This will come down to what Craig Counsell wants to do in 2024.

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Craig Counsell made $21,000,000 during his playing career. He has made considerable money as a manager since then.

I'm incredibly skeptical this will come down to a bidding war.

This will come down to what Craig Counsell wants to do in 2024.

There's a difference between what you made in your life and your current net worth. 

[jerichoholicninja]

9 minutes ago, areacodes said:

To be fair, it was pretty much one poster just doing that ad nauseam. 

One poster was speculating wildly. Many others were connection dots as to what might happen in the future.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, RobertCrawley said:

There's a difference between what you made in your life and your current net worth. 

Sure, but Counsell seems like the type of guy who has done just fine for himself with investments. He doesn't strike me as the type of fellow rolling a garage with four Bentleys in it.

[Brewcrew82]

9 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

One poster was speculating wildly. Many others were connection dots as to what might happen in the future.

I don't think anybody here actually reasonably thinks that CC is going to the Mets though, other than one particular poster, who also happens to believe that Stearns was deliberately sabotaging the Brewers and making moves for the Mets while still the Brewers GM. Most expect it to be the Brewers or retirement. 

[Brewcrew82]

25 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

I think some people overestimate the value of Shorewood, Wisconsin. If the Mets offer CC a ton of money, it would make sense for him to go. He could secure enough wealth so that he would never have to worry about money, AND his kids would never have to worry about money.

That's called taking care of family.

If it comes to it, I hope we win the bidding war. CC operates a casual but professional clubhouse that players love. He's done a lot with an often underperforming team. Without CC, I fear will be cast back to mid-pack and another long drought.

I don't think Attanasio is going to let money be the obstacle to CC returning. Negotiating managers' salaries is different than that of players' in FA. 

[homer]

29 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

I think some people overestimate the value of Shorewood, Wisconsin.

It's Whitefish Bay, WI :)

 

[areacodes]

19 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

One poster was speculating wildly. Many others were connection dots as to what might happen in the future.

Connecting dots as to what might happen is different than going to happen as how I read your post and what Brewers888 was spewing.