Brewers and Chourio: Heyman reports 8 years, $80 million + 2 club option years

[BrewerFan]

10 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

No what's nonsensical is you not understanding...Take your pick..one Chapman or Hoskins you sign for 3 yrs 48 Million, the other 2 yrs 32 million. Boom, done. $80 million and now you have two very good bats for a minimum of two years oh and by the way, you still have Chourio. This isn't hard people. You all want it to be, but it's easy peasey. I just showed you how it's done. Any questions? 

Oh and for the record, I will put this out there right now..I will GUARANTEE you they don't sign anyone for more than 2 years plus maybe an option for about 10-12 million per year. That will be their biggest contract this offseason. Not a chance in hell they sign Chapman and Hoskins or either one. They aren't bold enough(or frankly smart enough) to sign two guys like that who also fill their two biggest needs. 

LOL...you really DON'T understand how this Chourio deal works, do you?

(Pst...they're not paying him 80M this year!)

 

Go ahead and disagree with me! I dare you😂🤣🤣

I am glad you're guaranteeing they won't sign anyone for 2 years PLUS MAYBE an option year. I'm still floored how you think that's a result of this deal, but...I mean, this can only be explained but so clearly. 

What I'M mad about is they aren't signing Sean Murphy to a deal this year. That should have been our target in free agency!

[BrewerFan]

6 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Chapman is almost certainly going to get more, but that’s neither here nor there. If you still have Chourio, you are still going to be paying Chourio during that stretch, less if he flops but more if he hits big. Also, Chourio’s deal, if it is like most of these, will mimic the typical salary scale, so those first two years will be the cheapest. This deal might add a million or so to the payroll over those two years.

Given the market for bats, I think he's significantly low on both, but given the scope of how wrong he's been in general, it almost seems irrelevant.

[JefferyLeonard]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

LOL...you really DON'T understand how this Chourio deal works, do you?

(Pst...they're not paying him 80M this year!)

 

Go ahead and disagree with me! I dare you😂🤣🤣

I am glad you're guaranteeing they won't sign anyone for 2 years PLUS MAYBE an option year. I'm still floored how you think that's a result of this deal, but...I mean, this can only be explained but so clearly. 

What I'M mad about is they aren't signing Sean Murphy to a deal this year. That should have been our target in free agency!

Okay sunshine, you seem SO certain they will sign someone to more than two years(since your mocking me guaranteeing that), Tell me who it will be. Also, since you think you know everything, put your money where your mouth is..I will further GUARANTEE that they will NOT sign both of Chapman and Hoskins(to multi year deals...more than 2 years each). I'm so sure of it, I'm willing to put 10k on it. If they do, you get 10k, if they don't, I get 10k. Sound fair? Of course you will chicken out...you run your mouth but when it comes time to put up or shut up...you won't do it. In fact, I will wager that with ANYONE here willing to take it. People rave about this front office and orgasm over most of the moves they make, yet they will never do something bold like I am stating they won't do. So if people are so confident in the FO, wager with me, Chapman and Hoskins in Brewer uniforms(for MORE multiple years) 10k, to whoever is right. Any takers? of course there won't be because they know I'm right. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Okay sunshine, you seem SO certain they will sign someone to more than two years(since your mocking me guaranteeing that), Tell me who it will be. Also, since you think you know everything, put your money where your mouth is..I will further GUARANTEE that they will NOT sign both of Chapman and Hoskins(to multi year deals...more than 2 years each). I'm so sure of it, I'm willing to put 10k on it. If they do, you get 10k, if they don't, I get 10k. Sound fair? Of course you will chicken out...you run your mouth but when it comes time to put up or shut up...you won't do it. In fact, I will wager that with ANYONE here willing to take it. People rave about this front office and orgasm over most of the moves they make, yet they will never do something bold like I am stating they won't do. So if people are so confident in the FO, wager with me, Chapman and Hoskins in Brewer uniforms(for MORE multiple years) 10k, to whoever is right. Any takers? of course there won't be because they know I'm right. 

It's hardly bold to say the Brewers won't sign the best 3B and best 1B on the FA market...

[gebc1997]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Okay sunshine, you seem SO certain they will sign someone to more than two years(since your mocking me guaranteeing that), Tell me who it will be. Also, since you think you know everything, put your money where your mouth is..I will further GUARANTEE that they will NOT sign both of Chapman and Hoskins(to multi year deals...more than 2 years each). I'm so sure of it, I'm willing to put 10k on it. If they do, you get 10k, if they don't, I get 10k. Sound fair? Of course you will chicken out...you run your mouth but when it comes time to put up or shut up...you won't do it. In fact, I will wager that with ANYONE here willing to take it. People rave about this front office and orgasm over most of the moves they make, yet they will never do something bold like I am stating they won't do. So if people are so confident in the FO, wager with me, Chapman and Hoskins in Brewer uniforms(for MORE multiple years) 10k, to whoever is right. Any takers? of course there won't be because they know I'm right. 

I guarantee they won't sign both Chapman and Hoskins too,  but the Chourio deal has zero to do with it

[nate82]

LOL the Brewers are not signing Chapman regardless of this deal.

Chapman is expecting to get about $16m per year on the low end and he should get about a four or five year contract.  I don't see the Brewers giving Chapman that kind of a deal.

Hoskins is possible but I think he gets a higher dollar per year from other teams than what the Brewers would be comfortable in giving.  With or without the Chourio signing. 

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Okay sunshine, you seem SO certain they will sign someone to more than two years(since your mocking me guaranteeing that),

LOL...no sunshine, I'm not certain of it AT ALL. I'm laughing at your wording.

What I am certain of is that you keep using the entire 8-year value of Chourio's deal and somehow tying that to Matt Olson/Chapman(a Matt who played for Oakland once at least) as though there's any correlation.

 

17 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I will GUARANTEE you they don't sign anyone for more than 2 years plus maybe an option for about 10-12 million per year.

This. This is what I'm laughing at.

4 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Also, since you think you know everything, put your money where your mouth is..I will further GUARANTEE that they will NOT sign both of Chapman and Hoskins(to multi year deals...more than 2 years each)

Oooh! Hot take! They don't sign the top 3B and arguably the 2nd best position player available! 

I FURTHER guarantee "Matt Olson" signs for more than your 3/48, 2/32 projections. Hoskins likely as well. 

8 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I'm so sure of it, I'm willing to put 10k on it. If they do, you get 10k, if they don't, I get 10k. Sound fair?

LOL...over 8 years or just this year? 

8 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Of course you will chicken out...you run your mouth but when it comes time to put up or shut up...you won't do it. In fact, I will wager that with ANYONE here willing to take it.

LITERALLY NOBODY HAS SAID THEY WILL SIGN OLSON/CHAMPMAN AND HOSKINS!

This is all a figment of your own imagination. It's simply been explained to you that the reason they won't ISN'T because they're paying Chourio 80M over 8 years! What can you still possibly be confused about😂

9 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

People rave about this front office and orgasm over most of the moves they make, yet they will never do something bold like I am stating they won't do.

I assure you, I have not once orgasmed over the front office!

But ooh...you bold! 

11 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

So if people are so confident in the FO, wager with me, Chapman and Hoskins in Brewer uniforms(for MORE multiple years) 10k, to whoever is right. Any takers? of course there won't be because they know I'm right. 

Dude...you totally made this conversation up in your head and are just randomly running with it now! 

12 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

of course there won't be because they know I'm right. 

[BrewerFan]

15 minutes ago, gebc1997 said:

I guarantee they won't sign both Chapman and Hoskins too,  but the Chourio deal has zero to do with it

I will call your Chapman and up you an Ohtani!

Put your money where your mouth is and guarantee they'll sign Ohtani! 

[JefferyLeonard]

People, my whole point is this...sure maybe the Chourio signing won't effect who else they sign, but let's be realistic, when have they ever signed a big name FA to any kind of big money deal? They just aren't bold enough. Now further my point is this, if Mark A is willing to spend $80 million(and 80 million is 80 million no matter how many years it is for etc it's still 80 mill), I would much rather see him spend that 80 million on proven players, even if it's over two years for both. Look at all the $$ they have coming off the books, Woody is gone, You won't be paying Adames or Burnes after this year. Lots a lot of money you are going to be parsing from the payroll. That's probably what? minimum of $35-$40 million per year that will be off the payroll? 

Most of you I think believe they will spend that $40 million elsewhere. I don't doubt that they will. It's HOW they will spend it that most of you will applaud, and I will abhorr it. Most of you are probably okay with taking that 40 mill and seeing them sign two guys for 20 million per year for 1 year or two tops. I would MUCH prefer they take that 40 mill and sign one stud for $40 mill per year. We have seen how the one year low dollar signings they make work out...not well and with good reason. How about doing something bold for once? go big. 

[Playing Catch]

[Playing Catch]

6 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I would MUCH prefer they take that 40 mill and sign one stud for $40 mill per year

I'm not sure that either of those guys, in a blind study, would fit YOUR definition of "stud".

[JefferyLeonard]

Also, I get really tired of everyone(not just here but everywhere) blaming the market size on why it's okay for the Brewers not to spend more and that they "can't". Yes, they can. It's all about the owner. Look at the Bucks, are they are large market in the NBA? Nope. yet they have been in the luxury tax for what 3 years now at least? My point is say if someone like Jimmy Haslam owned the Brewers, I feel really confident saying he would easily have payroll up around the $175-$180 million area every year(if not more). I wish Mark would consider selling to someone like Haslam. Brewer fans deserve it. 

[Playing Catch]

13 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Also, I get really tired of everyone(not just here but everywhere) blaming the market size on why it's okay for the Brewers not to spend more and that they "can't". Yes, they can. It's all about the owner. Look at the Bucks, are they are large market in the NBA? Nope. yet they have been in the luxury tax for what 3 years now at least? My point is say if someone like Jimmy Haslam owned the Brewers, I feel really confident saying he would easily have payroll up around the $175-$180 million area every year(if not more). I wish Mark would consider selling to someone like Haslam. Brewer fans deserve it. 

My guess is that if Haslam owned the Brewers, he'd run them just like Attanasio, and if Attanasio owned the Bucks, he'd run them just like Haslam.

[BrewerFan]

7 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

My guess is that if Haslam owned the Brewers, he'd run them just like Attanasio, and if Attanasio owned the Bucks, he'd run them just like Haslam.

Haslam owns nearly as much of the Bucks as Mark A owns of the Brewers. 

The revenue sharing is...too complicated I guess. 

[BrewerFan]

32 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

It took me a while, but I was struggling to! I was laughing WAAAY too hard!

[Oxy]

Jeffrey Leonard is the best thing to happen to this site since WHOAA SOLVVD

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, Oxy said:

Jeffrey Leonard is the best thing to happen to this site since WHOAA SOLVVD

I'm learning so much!

41 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I would MUCH prefer they take that 40 mill and sign one stud for $40 mill per year.

Now...what if they hadn't signed Yelich and INSTEAD signed him for ~100M that year and another player for 100M? 

Just think how AWESOME we'd be then!

[Brewcrew82]

31 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Also, I get really tired of everyone(not just here but everywhere) blaming the market size on why it's okay for the Brewers not to spend more and that they "can't". Yes, they can. It's all about the owner. Look at the Bucks, are they are large market in the NBA? Nope. yet they have been in the luxury tax for what 3 years now at least? My point is say if someone like Jimmy Haslam owned the Brewers, I feel really confident saying he would easily have payroll up around the $175-$180 million area every year(if not more). I wish Mark would consider selling to someone like Haslam. Brewer fans deserve it. 

Ahhh, lunatic hour wouldn't truly be complete without the drawing of an equivalency between the NBA and MLB's salary structure....

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Ahhh, lunatic hour wouldn't truly be complete without the drawing of an equivalency between the NBA and MLB's salary structure....

You're not getting it. Think how much better Atlanta would be if they spent 40M on a REAL stud instead of giving Acuna Jr 100M and 10 years of team control?

 

[82brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, JefferyLeonard said:

. I'm so sure of it, I'm willing to put 10k on it. If they do, you get 10k, if they don't, I get 10k. Sound fair? Of course you will chicken out...you run your mouth but when it comes time to put up or shut up...you won't do it. In fact, I will wager that with ANYONE here willing to take it.

I'll be your huckleberry.  I'll give you 24 hours to set up an account with a verified deposit of 10K.  Once I have that proof, I'll do the same.  Every week you provide proof that the 10K is still in the account and I will do the same.  Sound fair?

[Fear The Chorizo]

So, Brewers lock up who is likely their best prospect ever before he sets foot in Milwaukee through what could be his age 30 season at what appears to be a pretty team friendly deal even if Chourio just becomes an average MLB OFer, and the thread talking specifically about that deal devolves into someone complaining their primary owner (not sole, far from sole owner, actually) shouldn't be so cheap with his illiquid assets and instead throw that $80m at a veteran 3B for a handful of seasons who goes long stretches of a season not being able to hit even before the deal is formally announced?  Or somehow bashing others for saying they'll do so even though the really haven't?  What are we yelling about again???

That's normally page 35ish or so territory on a thread like this, 😆 

[SeaBass]

I hope like hell they stay far away from Matt Chapman especially if he's going to get $16M per season. The guy had a gangbusters 1st month last season then did his best Rowdy Tellez impression the rest of the season, with a mild spike of success in July. I realize he played GG defense but some folks don't seem all that excited about Brice Turang's offense so I can't imagine his defense would protect him from the vile hatred of Brewers posters.

 

[Axman59]

You talk about a roll of the dice. This is it.

[Fear The Chorizo]

26 minutes ago, Axman59 said:

You talk about a roll of the dice. This is it.

Yeah, but based on scouting reports and onfield results for a guy who hadn't yet turned 20 playing in his 2nd minor league season I'd say it's more like a pretty well-informed roll of 2 dice with 12 outcomes.  only rolling snake eyes is the outcome of Chourio being a bust, 2 outcomes being disappointing, 4-5 outcomes being decent to good, and 4-5 outcomes being Chourio developing into a guy who plays in all star games routinely.

[Brewcrew82]