Toronto Interested in Yelich?

[wiguy94]

Why are people arguing about a rumor Heyman confirmed was not real?

[BrewerFan]

26 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

He's one of the two good veteran hitters we have, and his deal isn't that bad. You're talking about a 4.1 fWAR player last year. 

If the Brewers want to contend this year like they've said they want to do, you don't trade that unless it helps you win in future seasons. No team is likely to offer much that would help us in future seasons. 

In 144 games. 

And in his previous 329 games, he was 4.5 fWAR. 

Would you sign him to a 5 year 136.5M dollar deal if he were a FA? A 32-year-old LFer who had two MVP-caliber seasons, a steep decline over the next 3, and then a pretty good bounce-back season at 31?

[BrewerFan]

21 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Why are people arguing about a rumor Heyman confirmed was not real?

Why do we make up trades on here and speculate about them?

Isn't that almost exclusively what this forum is for?

Bring up a hypothetical and then argue if it makes sense?

[Brewcrew82]

19 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

In 144 games. 

And in his previous 329 games, he was 4.5 fWAR. 

Would you sign him to a 5 year 136.5M dollar deal if he were a FA? A 32-year-old LFer who had two MVP-caliber seasons, a steep decline over the next 3, and then a pretty good bounce-back season at 31?

No. But that doesn't mean you have to trade him.

Although a guy who averages 4.1 fWAR per season would get something approaching that on the open market. 

Either way, this was a made up rumor so it's not even really worth debating. Yelich is here to stay. 

[nate82]

38 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Why are people arguing about a rumor Heyman confirmed was not real?

Because it is winter time and there is nothing else to do.  Does there really need to be a reason?

[BrewerFan]

18 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No. But that doesn't mean you have to trade him.

Although a guy who averages 4.1 fWAR per season would get something approaching that on the open market. 

Yeah...but he doesn't average 4.1 fWar. Again, he barely had that the previous 3 seasons combined.

And nobody is saying you have to trade him...particularly as this is all hypothetical, but if you have 7 MLB quality OFers(8 if Black isn't a long-term 3B/2B/1B). The expensive, aging player with chronic back injuries who's by far the highest-paid on your team would seem like a logical option. 

[Brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah...but he doesn't average 4.1 fWar. Again, he barely had that the previous 3 seasons combined.

And nobody is saying you have to trade him...particularly as this is all hypothetical, but if you have 7 MLB quality OFers(8 if Black isn't a long-term 3B/2B/1B). The expensive, aging player with chronic back injuries who's by far the highest-paid on your team would seem like a logical option. 

He also hadn't revamped his load and swing like he did in May. Just as he's not MVP Yelich anymore, he's not 2021-2022 Yelich. 

[StearnsFTW]

13 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Why? And for the record, the NTC was only relevant for a short time. He's 10/5 now. 

He may want his final year picked up or something like that, but this would be great. It'd be a pretty clear sign...IMO, that you'd be moving Burnes and entering into a more full reset, but I'd love this. 

No, of course they wouldn't give up a top prospect, but I'd take even less.

 

If this happens, I'd be thrilled. I'd feel like I spoke it into existence! But I'd guess by the time this is done, you'd have a nice player going to Toronto(Williams perhaps) or money that probably wouldn't make it as appealing. 

He's a West coast guy.  I can't imagine Toronto would be super-appealing. 

I obviously don't know, but I'd be surprise.

This whole this is pure fantasy anyway.

 

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

He's a West coast guy.  I can't imagine Toronto would be super-appealing. 

I obviously don't know, but I'd be surprise.

This whole this is pure fantasy anyway.

 

It's strange why it's so fantastical though. Is it because WE don't want to or is it because other teams don't want him? Seems like it goes back and forth between the arguments on here. That's what I find interesting. That we shouldn't trade him because he's a valuable player...and he certainly is. There's no doubt about that. He was a nice player even in 2022. Will he be in 2025?

The NTC is certainly an obstacle, but plenty of players waive their rights to a NTC or...their 10/5 which applies to Yelich...for a number of reasons. Namely, IMO, to control where they go and or get something out of it. 

I think an West Coast team would be more appealing. He also signed in Milwaukee and I feel like there's a perception by some that Toronto is so much colder than Milwaukee and so much further North by some people(not those on this board). 

I don't think a trade is fantastical. I think it's really unlikely(though I thought a Chourio extension was pretty unlikely as well). But signing Ohtani was fantastical or Soto or even trading for Cease is probably fantastical. I'd say trading Yelich is only slightly more fantastical than some of the other moves I've heard. Signing Chapman, trading for Eloy Jiminez for example or Rhys Hoskins. 

[bigred]

On 12/13/2023 at 11:10 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

Not happening. Burnes said it himself. 

They're only words. IF they offered Burnes an extension, sometimes $$ can smooth over bad friendships. Lol

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, bigred said:

They're only words. IF they offered Burnes an extension, sometimes $$ can smooth over bad friendships. Lol

I don't think they're able to sign Burnes...but this also isn't my quote. I've never heard him say, "not happening, Burnes said it himself," or he ever flatly dismissed that he'd sign with the Brewers. 

[Brewcrew82]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I don't think they're able to sign Burnes...but this also isn't my quote. I've never heard him say, "not happening, Burnes said it himself," or he ever flatly dismissed that he'd sign with the Brewers. 

He said they’re not able to offer him what he’s worth, and that he’s priced himself out of Milwaukee.

[brewmann04]

I think it all about Burnes being upset and the brewers know he looking to get paid. No issue with that but the Brewers just cant let him leave without getting something more than a extra Draft pick imo 

[brewcrewdue80]

Just flipped through Torontos top pipeline prospects.  My word that's depressing.  It's totally filled with 3rd piece in trade players. Tiedman I don't even like as a headliner and he's a big swinger this year imo to show whether he sticks as a top 100 prospect with SP upside, or is gone because RP future.   The only interesting upside to dream on is 17yr old Emmanuel Bonilla with the bat. I don't know if the defense has that upside.  So again you're talking nothing in the pipeline that says would ever be an All Star.  You're just hoping they reach more than 1.5WAR in a given season.  It's the kind of stuff that clearly shows why Toronto would make this trade. Yelich is for better for them and cheap honestly for his 2023 production with what they need on team.

[jay87shot]

I like Yeli to Seattle for Robbie Ray and a 2nd piece. The M's love to trade and need OF and offense help. Ray has 3/69 left which is better than Yeli's deal however we could probably get either Ty France or a young pitcher like Emerson Hancock as the 2nd piece. Our staff would probably get Ray back to his old self and build up his value if we wanted to keep him or trade him next year. Seattle is not really close to Cali but is the West Coast so maybe Yeli excepts a deal.

 

[BrewerFan]

On 12/16/2023 at 12:05 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

He said they’re not able to offer him what he’s worth, and that he’s priced himself out of Milwaukee.

When and where did he say this? I heard him say he was offered a two-year deal and that it was "pretty bad," last year, I haven't seen HIM say he's "priced himself out of Milwaukee."

I think we all know he has, but he said that out loud?

[Team Canada]

https://www.mlb.com/brewers/news/corbin-burnes-brewers-future

“And then I just had year after year that have been good, [and] I think it got to the point of they know their situation and where they’re at and their market size, and instead of making a player angry for sending a bad or really small or short-term or low number of an extension, it’s just like, ‘Hey, [to] be upfront, we respect what you’ve done and we’re not going to come at you with something that we don’t feel is what you’re worth as far as the market goes.’

“We never really talked there. I think a couple of years ago, I was open to going and getting something done, but I think at this point, both sides know that we’re a year away from free agency, and we want to see what the market can bring.”

[Brewcrew82]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

When and where did he say this? I heard him say he was offered a two-year deal and that it was "pretty bad," last year, I haven't seen HIM say he's "priced himself out of Milwaukee."

I think we all know he has, but he said that out loud?

(17:10) "They know their situation and where they're at with their market size...it's just like hey...we respect what you've done and we're not going to come at you with something that we don't feel is what you're worth as far as the market goes."

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

(17:10) "They know their situation and where they're at with their market size...it's just like hey...we respect what you've done and we're not going to come at you with something that we don't feel is what you're worth as far as the market goes."

 

The quote also misses him qualifying by saying "uh, I THINK it's kinda like," and then saying again, "I think it's a situation where," guessing as to the Brewers situation, not just flatly refusing to sign an extension IF the Brewers unloaded Yelich and used his salary to buffer their offer. 

"Hey, we'll see what happens," is how he finishes it, not with "not happening." 

That seemed like a pretty diplomatic answer speculating as to why the Brewers haven't made an offer, not a flat out dismissal. 

[TURBO]

On 12/16/2023 at 12:05 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

He said they’re not able to offer him what he’s worth, and that he’s priced himself out of Milwaukee.

Got a link to that quote?

EDIT:  I see what was now posted above this, but that really isn't exactly what he said.  Meh, whatever...