Taylor, Houser to NYM

[Brock Beauchamp]

I heard "Taylor is going soon" three hours ago but I didn't think it was going to be THIS soon.

 

[Brewcrew82]

 

 

[wiguy94]

Yeah I just don't get this move. Coleman Crow was literally available in the Rule 5 draft earlier this month. He's going to be missing all of 2024 due to TJ. Seems like a lot to give up for a guy we could have gotten for free a couple weeks ago.

[Brewcrew82]

Not surprising they would trade Taylor, as this is effectively clearing up a spot for Chourio.

Houser is a surprise..

[titletownking]

This is really sad at its surface, cost cutting?! And that’s all we got in return. Very dissatisfied with this move. 

[Brewcrew82]

 

[SRB]

4 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Yeah I just don't get this move. Coleman Crow was literally available in the Rule 5 draft earlier this month. He's going to be missing all of 2024 due to TJ. Seems like a lot to give up for a guy we could have gotten for free a couple weeks ago.

Well I doubt he's going to be on the major league roster all year, so not the same as a Rule 5 pickup.

Interesting arm for two superfluous players, Nothing to complain about here.

[Brock Beauchamp]

This feels like a deal that precedes a series of other deals and will reserve judgment until it all plays out.

[titletownking]

1 minute ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

This feels like a deal that precedes a series of other deals and will reserve judgment until it all plays out.

I get that approach and that’s the likely result but this feels like a very light return. They must be incredibly high on the arm and or feel the corresponding moves justify this. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, SRB said:

Well I doubt he's going to be on the major league roster all year, so not the same as a Rule 5 pickup.

Interesting arm for two superfluous players, Nothing to complain about here.

It's not the same as a Rule 5 pick but we literally could have taken him in the Rule 5 instead of giving up 2 quality MLB players for him and all it would have costed was a year of service time with him on the IL all year.

[patrickgpe]

6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Yeah I just don't get this move. Coleman Crow was literally available in the Rule 5 draft earlier this month. He's going to be missing all of 2024 due to TJ. Seems like a lot to give up for a guy we could have gotten for free a couple weeks ago.

salary dump, thats all. 

[sveumrules]

Yo, Adrian! You better call Tyrone.

Adios, to the two longest tenured Brewers.

Thanks for everything, fellas.

[Brock Beauchamp]

From Slack three hours ago... but we didn't feel comfortable enough with one source and couldn't confirm it.

 

[brewers888]

If we are going to just give away useful players I would really prefer not giving them away to Stearns and Cohen. Sorry but this deal makes no sense whatsoever other than us just being cheap.

[tmwiese55]

True on possible other moves, but on its surface its trading two serviceable MLB players to free up 6 million salary dump.   Sure that 6 mill could be a part of something bigger but chances are you could've just kept them too, 6 mil isn't that much in MLB.    As much as Houser isn't anything special with how much MLB starting pitching costs I'd have just kept him another year for depth at that price, unless you were actually getting something back.

I'm not a constant whiner on here about being cheap as I know what the Brewers are, but this one sure smells that way. 

[edfunderburk]

7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Yeah I just don't get this move. Coleman Crow was literally available in the Rule 5 draft earlier this month. He's going to be missing all of 2024 due to TJ. Seems like a lot to give up for a guy we could have gotten for free a couple weeks ago.

My exact thoughts … & I really like both Houser & Taylor 

I’m concerned about our starting pitching … this is an odd trade

I wouldn’t be as concerned IF Crow was healthy - but this is bizarre

It appears to be a $ saving trade that immediately benefits the Mets & does nothing for the Brewers

[SRB]

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Crow, an athletic, low-slot righty, had success as a Double-A starter throughout 2022 and might have gotten the Ben Joyce treatment if not for elbow inflammation that landed him on the IL after just four 2023 starts. He looks like a righty specialist on first blush, but his surgical east/west command and breaking ball quality, especially his ability to vary the shape and depth of a couple different breakers, gives Crow the platoon-neutralizing weapons to be a starter.

Crow’s carrying tool is his command. He hammers the zone with his upshot fastball and two different breaking balls, throwing basically all of his pitches for strikes at a 70% clip in 2022. He is a fantastic on-mound athlete who repeats his mechanics with robotic consistency. This enables Crow’s slow fastball to stay out of danger, because it’s not usually left in the meat of the zone. His even fastball/breaking ball usage and ability to throw either for a strike at any time makes Crow very unpredictable. He’s going to be a reliable member of a big league staff in some capacity, either as a fifth starter (projected here) or a strike-throwing long man.

Fantastic numbers last season at AA as a 22 year old. He's coming back from an injury but every scouting report is suggesting he's a reliable bet to hold down a back-end rotation role. So six years of a Houser clone (or better)? Not really sure what people are mad at.

[patrickgpe]

Just now, brewers888 said:

If we are going to just give away useful players I would really prefer not giving them away to Stearns and Cohen. Sorry but this deal makes no sense whatsoever other than us just being cheap.

I have no problem giving up on TT, brewers have plenty of young OF's that need PT. I don't like giving up on Houser when your rotation is already missing your #2 from last year and you may trade your #1. 

[Brewcrew82]

FWIW, we had zero room available on the 40 man roster after the Haas signing. This creates two open spots. 

[MilwaukeeBeers]

So a SP that profiles as a back of the rotation starter that recently had Tommy John and is gonna be Rule 5 eligible. Yup this was purely a salary dump. Gross gross gross.

[brewers888]

1 minute ago, patrickgpe said:

I have no problem giving up on TT, brewers have plenty of young OF's that need PT. I don't like giving up on Houser when your rotation is already missing your #2 from last year and you may trade your #1. 

Taylor is a pretty good player certainly not someone to just give away when he isn't even making much money and Houser is a pretty good pitcher who wasn't exactly breaking the bank either. 

[brewers888]

Cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap

[SRB]

Just now, MilwaukeeBeers said:

So a SP that profiles as a back of the rotation starter that recently had Tommy John and is gonna be Rule 5 eligible. Yup this was purely a salary dump. Gross Gross Gross.

Yeah except all we traded away was one year of a back of the rotation starter and the seventh OF on our depth chart. Frees up money to spend on a useful role player.

[brewers888]

If we are in salary dump mode can we please give away talent to anyone other than our former GM.

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, SRB said:

Fantastic numbers last season at AA as a 22 year old. He's coming back from an injury but every scouting report is suggesting he's a reliable bet to hold down a back-end rotation role. So six years of a Houser clone (or better)? Not really sure what people are mad at.

Those fantastic numbers were with the tacky ball and a 24 inning sample. I don't have any issues with us getting Coleman Crow. I have an issue with us not drafting him in the Rule 5 and instead trading 2 MLB players for him in what at least for now appears to be a cost saving move.