Packers 2024 Off-Season Thread

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, yourout said:

I know it's a really small sample size but did anybody else think Wilson looks like he might have some potential at running back?

He looked very explosive in pre-season, but much "slower" in the regular season.  Not physically slower, but reading holes and blocking... He looked better as the season went on, so I'm hoping he is thinking less and reacting more.  He is making a big jump in levels and hopefully makes a big hop in his second year.  The Packers still needs another RB. 

8 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

On Barry, I have to wonder if Jim Leonard is available and if that matters to MLF. Leonard probably regrets not taking that job given what happened at UW. Would he really rather be senior analyst at Illinois over NFL DC? 

I'm not a UW fan so I don't care all that much but that's the first name I thought of. 

I think JL would be the perfect DC for the Pack.  He is younger, very creative in his blitzes and coverages, and aggressive.  HIs OLBs continually improve and he seems to get the most out of his talent.  Kind of the anti-Barry.  I'd think that players like Jaire, Clark, and Gary would really blossom under him. 

[Samurai Bucky]

On 1/21/2024 at 11:22 AM, Joseph Zarr said:

1) New Defensive Coordinator. I don't really care about the improvements I saw in Barry's defense over the past month - they were nice sure but the litany of fames before that time? Yeeesh. We have three years of observations and results. That winning San Fran drive was about as predictable as the sun rising and setting. Two high safety looks. Conservative. Yawn. Six of the top 11 DVOA D-Coordinators were either first year or second year coordinators. Barry has literally never had a single defense he's coached in all his years place above 20th in DVOA. They have to get serious here and drop all sentimentality about this staff. He is not the answer. Let's not fall for fool's gold.

Ron Rivera?  The only problem is that he might be gone after one year taking a new HC job.

Jim Leonard?  Not sure if he is ready for prime time at the NFL level, though.

Matt Patricia?  DC for a really good Patriots defense before he took the Lions HC position.

[CheezWizHed]

Rivera is on his second HC gig and really didn't show anything impressive.  I honestly can't see him get a third shot.  

[Joseph Zarr]

1 hour ago, Samurai Bucky said:

Ron Rivera?  The only problem is that he might be gone after one year taking a new HC job.

Jim Leonard?  Not sure if he is ready for prime time at the NFL level, though.

Matt Patricia?  DC for a really good Patriots defense before he took the Lions HC position.

Of the 3 you list, Leonhard is a possibility considering their past attempts to hire tho it feels as though he is committed to the college game? I don't personally know enough about the depth or pool of League wide qualified candidates. Wink Martindale carved out an incredible reputation with the Ravens. He didn't work miracles in New York but his teams played tougher than their personnel and they still had elite 3rd down defenses. 

What I do know, from my own vantage point, is Joe Barry was never the right hire. And he still isn't the right man for the job. The historical results prove this in every season he leads a defense. He calls timid stuff when it matters most and a crucial stop is near impossible when he's at the helm - let alone the infinite number of 3rd and longs his defenses allow. His HC had to perform an intervention after two utterly embarrassing performances at New York and Carolina. I, for one, hope they aren't fooled by the late season performances. They were much better, yes, but all the warts still reared their heads in crunch time. He is who he is at this point and that most definitely is not enough for a team that is ready to play for Super Bowls in 2024. They need better. They need more creative; more aggressive; more innovative. Match LaFleur on the defensive side of the ball.

[SeaBass]

Pass on Jim Leonhard. Feels like a "me first" guy. Didn't get the job he thought he deserved then took his ball and went home. Sorry not sorry, he turned down an offer to coach in the NFL once already, to me he's lost whatever leg up he once had with his poor/selfish decision making. He's going to have to prove it on the field once again before he gets a second NFL shot IMO. Probably won't be with the Packers if that time comes, most definitely not while MLF is there. I honestly wonder if he'll be a direct DC hire if he wants to coach in the NFL, he probably has to work himself back up the coaching ranks now. He's not even coaching right now. Seems like all he knows what to do is shoot his career in the foot. If he hadn't coached with the Badgers nobody here would give a damn about him. Hard pass. Give me someone with the career results to back it up.

[CheezWizHed]

24 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Pass on Jim Leonhard. Feels like a "me first" guy. Didn't get the job he thought he deserved then took his ball and went home. Sorry not sorry, he turned down an offer to coach in the NFL once already, to me he's lost whatever leg up he once had with his poor/selfish decision making. He's going to have to prove it on the field once again before he gets a second NFL shot IMO. Probably won't be with the Packers if that time comes, most definitely not while MLF is there. I honestly wonder if he'll be a direct DC hire if he wants to coach in the NFL, he probably has to work himself back up the coaching ranks now. He's not even coaching right now. Seems like all he knows what to do is shoot his career in the foot. If he hadn't coached with the Badgers nobody here would give a damn about him. Hard pass. Give me someone with the career results to back it up.

Yes, he seemed to back the wrong horse when he decided to stay at WI.  But I don't think he had a realistic position at WI after Fickell was hired.  Yes, Luke extended the olive branch, but I'd be surprised that included the DC position.  Many coaches end up out of the league because timing doesn't work out and end up coaching with another team the next year. 

If Leonhard had coached elsewhere in college and has as successful of a defense wherever he was and put as many OLBs into the NFL as he has... yeah, I'd still be interested.  He was always a smart player that outperformed his abilities.  Seems like he is able to do the same as a coach too.  That is the thing that makes me interested in him as a coach. 

[homer]

Jim Leonhard took a year off coaching because he had hip surgery.

[homer]

And absolutely not on Matt Patricia.

[SeaBass]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

If Leonhard had coached elsewhere in college and has as successful of a defense wherever he was and put as many OLBs into the NFL as he has... yeah, I'd still be interested.  He was always a smart player that outperformed his abilities.  Seems like he is able to do the same as a coach too.  That is the thing that makes me interested in him as a coach. 

My argument of him being inflated due to his Badgers history is people likely wouldn't be AS interested to the point where he's the first name most people mention. He's close to home and thus more familiar which lends a certain percentage of bias. I just think he's a little over magnified in most people's minds due to his Wisconsin ties. He probably doesn't deserve to be the first name on the list.

Anyway, I doubt MLF goes back to him. He had his chance and spurned it.

[wallus]

JL would be my hire and that has nothing to do with his Wisconsin roots.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, SeaBass said:

My argument of him being inflated due to his Badgers history is people likely wouldn't be AS interested to the point where he's the first name most people mention. He's close to home and thus more familiar which lends a certain percentage of bias. I just think he's a little over magnified in most people's minds due to his Wisconsin ties. He probably doesn't deserve to be the first name on the list.

Anyway, I doubt MLF goes back to him. He had his chance and spurned it.

1) Go back and look at where his defenses at UW ranked and then tell me that you wouldn't want him to be one of the top candidates.

B) He was MLF's first choice for DC (likely due to #1 because MLF had no ties to UW or anything in the state of WI).  If he was transparent with MFL and said that the UW HC job was his dream job, Mac wasn't fully happy with PC/PC didn't enjoy coaching that much anymore/etc., and he thinks that the UW HC job will open sooner rather than later and that staying at UW was his best chance, then why wouldn't MLF reconsider him?  Now the UW HC job is not likely to open up anytime soon and Mac spurned him at the last minute for LF, so the circumstances for why he said no have changed.

[BrewerFan]

On 1/21/2024 at 2:18 PM, HarryDoyle said:

We're going to need to improve the offensive line, particularly finding a replacement for Bakh. 

I've seen an AMAZING amount of pushback against this. People saying Walker is the LT of the future. That if we draft a OT, it should be a RT and move Tom to Guard, the place that makes the least sense.

I'm down to run it back with Bakh on a very cheap deal, but you can't plan on him. 

 

On 1/21/2024 at 3:23 PM, LouisEly said:

As of week 16/17, Zach Tom was 2nd in the league among RT in lowest pressure % on passing sets.  The replacements could already be here.

Interior OL is a different story.  Can certainly upgrade at C and RG.

Yes, but Walker had help on 40% of pass-blocking sets. That's an extremely high number and it takes out players like Aaron Jones from running routes(or Kraft, whoever). 

And he's a terrible run blocker as he can't hit his landmarks.

On 1/21/2024 at 11:22 AM, Joseph Zarr said:

2) To that end, Bisaccia has to be considered for the chopping block. That was his kicker. They regressed, yet again, across the board with ST's. He's the highest paid ST coach in the League. And, I really don't care that he was an Assistant Head Coach. Make the hard decisions but make them with purpose. The time is NOW for this team. 

You're WAY too hard on Carlson...though I get it.

But you watch Baseball enough. A pitcher gives up 3 hits and none of them have EV over 40MPH and you might consider it's not their fault. It was bad luck, poor fielding.

Well, Carlson tried to kick that last field goal in POURING rain and with the ball pointing away from him at a ~45 degree angle(maybe not exactly that). And his plant leg slipped.

Maybe the LS needs to be replaced. I watched each game multiple times, mostly to watch the OL play, but I really didn't watch his snaps. They seemed fine.

 

The larger point is the SPs are improving. Nixon's big return, the blocking was great, BUT Eric Wilson coming in and saving the game, that was huge. 

On 1/21/2024 at 11:22 AM, Joseph Zarr said:

3) Address the kicker situation. Carlson is likely who he is at this point. I saw the same kicker this entire season that we saw in the SEC. He is erratic, inconsistent and just can't be trusted. How can we discuss an 86% XP specialist in the NFL? He didn't even rank in the top 32. He missed a kick in 10-of-12 games to close his season and five games in a row. You just can't be serious with that type of performance with Championship aspirations. 

He is who he is? He's a rookie. A rookie with a HUGE leg. We'd have cut Crosby MULTIPLE times based on these standards. 

The kid gets the yips on easy ones maybe. He's an incredible talent and you don't just give up on him.

Had we known it'd come down to the kicker, Crosby(who was worse as a rookie) is probably still here, but that was pretty hard to foresee. 

[BrewerFan]

17 hours ago, SeaBass said:

My argument of him being inflated due to his Badgers history is people likely wouldn't be AS interested to the point where he's the first name most people mention. He's close to home and thus more familiar which lends a certain percentage of bias. I just think he's a little over magnified in most people's minds due to his Wisconsin ties. He probably doesn't deserve to be the first name on the list.

Anyway, I doubt MLF goes back to him. He had his chance and spurned it.

Go watch some Jim Leonhard tape. Watch the way he generates pressure, the way he disguises pressures, the way he matches up with teams who have 3-4 1st round picks at WRer and mostly kept them in the game...and then please don't tell me it's about him being from Wisconsin.

I would trade a 2nd rd pick for Spags in KC(I'd want Chenel as well and that's also not because he's a UW guy). 

There are other DCs I like. Florres...but Leonhard's style and the way he calls a game gets the absolute MOST out of your MLBers, Edge and any pass rushing DL. 

 

[BrewerFan]

My Packers off-season

We should be building with the goal of a SB in mind. Similar to how KC moved Mahomes 1st year. 

1. 1-Joe Barry(he IS still under contract, and wasn't on the normal 3-year schedule, so he has one year left).
2.    Jim Leonhard is the guy from people who've seen his scheme- NOT BECAUSE WE ARE FROM WISCONSIN. It's because he runs an aggressive scheme with disguising pressures, overloading, zone blitzes and just beating better offenses with VASTLY inferior talent. And if someone says you're just getting Mike Pettine if you hire Jim Leonhard....I will go Dennis from It's Always Sunny and rain down a furry upon you the likes of which you've NEVER SEEN!
   He's not Pettine. If you watch him, you'll understand this.
3. We have young talent everywhere. We have 11 picks. 6 in the top ~90,  25, 41, 58, 88, 92 

Positions-No Needs
QB Love/Clifford
-Love will get paid. Hopefully they give him a 5-year extension on TOP of the year remaining and you can stay ahead of the big cap hits...and you will so long as he performs. 
-Clifford is a really good backup. He can move, he has enough arm strength for a backup. We're set here. 

RB-Aaron Jones, Emanuel Wilson
Jones is the heart of this offense. He needs to stick to a similar workload this year. 
I think Emanuel Wilson is a better back than Dillon. He's physical and has speed.
NEEDS- A HR threat and a guy who can catch the ball out of the backfield.
Bucky Irvin is an obvious choice. Watson from Memphis later on is an option. Marshawn Lloyd from USC is a big play threat and a sleeper in Houlani from Boise St. He's ideal for the ZBS.
--Take Irvin if he' there with one of your 3rds, otherwise there are several guys who should be available in the 4th and later.

TE/H-Back
Musgrave/Kraft-Not much to get into here. Two really great young looking TEs.

Needs-No pressing, but a luxury would be Jahiem Bell from Florida State by way of South Carolina. He ran the ball at USC, he was used as a deep passing threat. He's a yoked up 6'3 230LB H-back who's a menace in space and would be the most versatile H-Back in the league. He's not a guy you draft before this year, but at 92 or 122, he's a steal. 

WRer-Watson, Doubs, Reed, Wicks, Melton, Heath

Needs? MAYBE you need to consider a WRer with length who's a deep threat. 
*Xavier Legette is 6'3 230, he'll test similarly to DK Metcalf is the expectation. He's not the most well-rounded WRer, but he an explosive deep threat and he's outstanding in 50/50 balls or just taking the top off. Likely going to need to use 2nd pick on him.
*Malachi Corely-Called the "YAC God." Compared to Deebo. Looks like a 3rd rd pick at this point.
*Troy Franklin, Devontez Walker

With SO much depth, I'd see how the board fell, but if you could get a safety(one way or another) it could be worth using a 2nd on a WRer. 

That deep threat makes this offense so much different. 

OL-Walker/Jenkins/Myers/Ryan/Tom/Ryan locks.
Developmental Caleb Jones at RT, Luke Tenuta, both have upside. Caleb Jones is a monster, I think there's maybe something there, needs to stay healthy.
X-Factor-David....Bakhtiari. He wants to be back he says...he understands the business side of the game. So come back on the Veteran minimum benefit, 250K for each game played, 6M for 14 or more. When he plays, he's elite. He hasn't been reliable. Not his fault. Maybe this experimental surgery works and you can draft and play it safe and Fuaga can play RG to get his feet wet. But you cannot count on him.

***Biggest need IMO.
If you want to make a good QB look great, a great QB an MVP you go all in on your OL. More than any other position, OL dictates how good you'll be. 
NEEDS-OT/OG
RT
-RD 1-Fuaga-Dominant Run Blocker, all the tools to be a very good pass-blocking RT
-Other RTs, Latham, Mimms, Morgan, Paul, Suamataia, Guyton, all potential 1st rd picks.. This is an elite draft at OT. Zach Tom can play RT or LT. Again, I think he's the LT if we knew Bakh wouldn't play past week 1, but he spent all off-season getting ready at RT. I do NOT care what Walker graded(and it was 66.0, that's fine for a Guard, not good enough at that important of a position.

OG(Rd 1 or 2)-Graham Barton is a prototypical Packers pick. He's a 6'6 OT for Duke who can play outside, seen as a better fit at Guard, but maybe best suited to play Center. A guy like him allows you to really get your 5 best on the field.
Troy Fautanu(OT->G in the NFL) and Connor Bebbe are also plug and play guys who dominate in the run game and can handle the pass. 

BEST case, they draft Fuaga in the 1st, then Barton in the 2nd. Some think Fuaga is an AP G, but not ready at RT and then conversely, Barton is a guy with shorter arms(like Tom) who's nasty in the run game and you come back and get him at 41.

There are also obviously guys later on, Blake Fischer is one I'd keep an eye on. 5 star recruit, started as a Freshmen at ND while Alt was a TE. Alt transitioned, beat out Fischer and Fischer has held it down at RT. He could be a under the radar guy, or an immediate starter if he kicks in to guard. Amegadjie from Yale is another guy who's physical and mean, can play OT, but probably more of a guard. Finally, Zach Zinter was looking to be a 2-3, tore his ACL and now looks like a 5th-6th rd pick. 

DL-Clark, Wyatt, Brooks, Slaton, Wooden

All locks. If a guy like Newton falls to 5, you take him. If OL is the most important after the QB, DL is right on their heels(the front 7 is as whole). 

Needs-You should always been looking to upgrade on Wooden(which is not easy, he had a really good year, but again, if someone drops).

Edge-Gary, LVN, Preston, Cox, Enagbare on PUP

Needs-Same as DL, you try and constantly replace guys. Ron Wolf used to openly talk about how he was looking to replace Frank Winters or whoever it was. But in this case, Cox is a rookie, Enagbare could be backweek 6(if all goes really well) or he may not be back until next Dec and then he'd have very little time to round back into shape. 

With Preston Smith nearing the end, this would be a good time to use a pick in the 5th rd range, move up maybe, grab an edge. Problem is, it's a weak draft for Edge rushers. 

-Darius Robinson strikes me more of a 5 tech, but he's also similar in style to LVN, so if you play a 4-3 next year, he'd be a good fit(he'd be a good fit either way.

 

MLB-Quay, McDuffie
Fringe-Campbell, Wilson

Needs-Athletic counterpart to Quay

2 options jump out. Edgerrin Cooper, a 6'3 MLBer who's 240, long, will probably run a sub 4.6 and then Payton Wilson, a tough, physical run stuffer who's also rangy and can play the pass. Cooper is likely a guy you trade up into the early 3rd for at the LATEST, if he's there at the end of rd 2, it'd be a worthwhile pick.
Wilson is a 4th rd pick. 

CB-Locks Valentine, Stokes....
Question-Jaire, Ballentine, Nixon(FA)

It's asinine that Jaire is not a lock, though I don't know the details. I'd take Nixon, his 4.4 speed, his physicality and his ball skills and move him to safety. I think we maybe exaggerate the difference in the position MOST of the time, but Nixon does everything well...but he's not great mirroring. He's a little stiff in the hips. You'd like to see a CB drafted and Jaire, Valentine and hopefully a healthy Stokes back with some depth.

Needs? Depth where you can get it. Lets see what happens with Jaire. If they cut him, he becomes right up there with OL.
TJ Tampa and Khyree Jackson are two long, athletic CBs in the Middle Rounds I'd look at. 

 

Safety-Anthony Johnson, Zayne Anderson

Only 2 locks and one is as a STer(and probably not a lock) actually.

Needs-VETERAN LEADERSHIP. A FA and a draft pick.

Draft-Bishop is my favorite. He's 6'3 215, he can cover ground, he can play the split half, but he can also come down and lay the wood. He looks like a late 3rd(though a great 40 and he could fly up). Brade from Maryland isn't the big athlete, but he's at his best in the box. Really sound. Reminds me of Amos, but he's not quite as good in coverage, maybe more physical vs the run.
Nubin is a guy who'll probably be gone before Rd 3, so you'd have to take him in Rd 2. 
Kitchens is a potential option at 25...though I wouldn't be a fan of that. 
Hicks from WSU would be more of a nickel LBer who can play next to Quay in the Nickel or if we run Leonhard's D, he could play that big safety. 4th-5th IMO.

BIG need, Budda Baker/Antoine Winfield. 

 

Free Agency
Safeties

• Budda Baker. He can do it all. He's one addition you could make that would change the team. Make it easier on your LBers vs the run, your CBs helping out over the top and he'd be a great fit with Nixon next to him. CB would become more of a need, but you have a chance to get a difference-maker like him, you do it.
  5/75 but with less GTD. 30M SB, 32M Full GDT
• Winfield- I'd like to see a bigger safety drafted if you go this route.
  I think Winfield could be a better fit if you do go to a more aggressive defense. He can cover, play the slot.
  5/80 40 SB-It's gonna cost, but I don't think you need to invest into a whole lot of Safeties
• Kyle Dugger-Mostly a run defender. Competent vs the pass, especially vs TEs, bigger WRers, but not a complete safety. 
• Geno Stone from Baltimore. Ball Hawk, not great vs the run. Coming off a big year. Not sure if I buy it.

OL

1. Tyron Smith-LT
   You're basically getting a Bakhtiari type talent. A guy who's a HOFer, who's older...who may not be back in Dallas as they drafted his replacement in Tyler Smith, an AP. This IS  a blueprint for how the Packers could develop a OT.
   He's going to cost a lot though...despite the injury history, but he's elite when he's on the field. Having Rasheed Walker would allow you to live with the injury risk.
2. Connor Williams-C
   One of the best Centers in the game last year and Miami is in salary cap hell(as we were the last couple years).
   He's coming from the same system we run. Josh Myers came on at the end of the year, but I still think he's a better OG, Williams is a massive upgrade. I'd guess 5/50 with 20M SB, 27.5 fully GTD.
3. Mike Onwenu(OT/G) 
   He'd have been our 2nd best OL by a wide margin this past year. The offense in NE did him no favors, but I think he could be a steal. 3/27 to play RG? that may be low. 4/44, but lower GTD money. He's 26 years old, I think he'd be a huge upgrade over Runyan. 

RB-

1. Antonio Gibson. He was a WRer, then moved back to RB. He's just versatile. He's a slasher. I could see a 2 back set with Jones and Gibson, 2 TEs and Watson and you could run the ball or you could go 5 wide. He'll be cheap. 3/12 maybe? Just a really good fit and you could still go out and go after a guy like Bucky Irvin if he fell to you in rd 3 and go into next year with Jones/Gibson/Wilson/Irvin and they'd all have different roles. Irvin the speed threat, Gibson the versatile pass catcher, Wilson the most physical back who still has speed and then...Jones. The Man, but again, trying to keep him under 350+ touches next year, keep him fresh until Dec.

I think in FA, safety is going to be the most likely IF they want to spend money. We need stability on the backend, a playmaker. After getting 7 picks(Douglas had 7 himself and 2 while he was in GB). 

If we can BOTH force more turnovers and then with Watson or potentially another deep threat at WRer, open that offense up even more. Improve the OL and this could be a 12 win team next year(vs a tougher schedule).

 

Draft-

1st-Fuaga(Org St RT)
2nd(NYJ)-Barton(Duke OT/G/C)
2nd-Edgerrin Cooper(Tx A&M MLB)
3rd-Cole Bishop(S Utah)
3rd(Buf)-T.J. Tampa(CB ISU)/
4th-Jahiem Bell(TE FSU)
5th(Supp)-Blake Fischer(OT ND)
6th-Fabien Lovett (DT FSU)
6th-Supp-Kitan Oladapo(6'2 215 S Org St)
6th-Supp-Dillon Johnson(RB Wash)
7th-Nelson Ceaser(edge Houston)

Other 1st rd options; Latham('Bama RT), Mims(UGA RT)Troy Fautanu(Wash OG)
2nd-Legette(WRSouth Carolina)Troy Franklin(WR Org)/Connor Bebbe(OG Kansas)/Leonard Taylor(DT Miami)/Quinyon Mitchell CB Toledo
3rd Bucky Irvin(RB Oregon)/McKinnley Jackson NT(Tx A&M), Beau Brade(S Maryland)/Devontez Walker(WR UNC)
4th-Blake Corum(RB Mich), Kyree Jackson(CB Oregon), Payton Wilson(LB NC State)

5th-7th
Gray (G ORG St), Blake Watson(RB Memphis), Brendan Rice(WR USC) and a dozen or so more.

 

[BrewerFan]

I had another 20 for rds 5-7, but...I got bored. And the draft board will change so much with more information, this is even more pointless...but that's the outline of what I'm hoping for.

Fix the defense with money, a couple key additions and a DC.

And then just add to an area of strength by shoring up that offense. And this is how I cope with losing a game I know we should have won and putting waaay too much energy into a game when I have a family, job and...actual important stuff to worry about!

 

I think I just guaranteed we're going to take a WRer in the first round, no OL until late and go Brewers(pre Rhys Hoskins era) bargin bin hunting in Free Agency(while bringing back Joe Barry)!

[homer]

[HarryDoyle]

19 minutes ago, homer said:

Party’s at my house!

[homer]

15 potential Barry replacements:

https://atozsports.com/green-bay/packers-dc-search-15-potential-replacements-for-joe-barry/

[patrickgpe]

reports are that Barry could stay on staff in some capacity, which is crazy talk and would undermine the new DC. 

 

"Barry still could remain on the Packers' staff in some capacity -- a possibility that is being discussed, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter." 

 

source: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39377253/packers-fire-defensive-coordinator-joe-barry-according-reports

[Joseph Zarr]

Thank the Heavens there is a Football Gahhhhhd! Today is a FINE day! A FABULOUS day. What an incredible 24 hours for Wisconsin professional sports. 

[Joseph Zarr]

Just now, patrickgpe said:

reports are that Barry could stay on staff in some capacity, which is crazy talk and would undermine the new DC. 

 

"Barry still could remain on the Packers' staff in some capacity -- a possibility that is being discussed, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter." 

 

source: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39377253/packers-fire-defensive-coordinator-joe-barry-according-reports

Well by most measures Joe Barry is a phenomenal LB coach. And a really good guy. I will continue to celebrate he will never call plays for a Packers defense again.

[patrickgpe]

the bigger issue than if he should have been fired is the replacement. personally i'd want to stay away from a recently fired coach that could only be here for a year only to seek a new HC job, like Vrabel. I would like a position coach off of a good D like Al Harris or Chris Hewitt. 

[young guns]

I'm fine with him staying on as the water boy

[GAME05]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Well by most measures Joe Barry is a phenomenal LB coach. And a really good guy. I will continue to celebrate he will never call plays for a Packers defense again.

Yeah, you don't become a DC in the first place by being bad at lower levels. I'm perfectly happy with him taking a lesser job, which he'd be doing with any other team, so why not in GB? 

I don't see him being any threat at all to the new DC. Any coordinator is going to have about everyone below them vying for their job. If anything, Barry below you is less of a threat as anyone else since it's not like he'd be getting re-promoted to the DC spot anytime soon.

Biggest offseason need taken care of already!

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

reports are that Barry could stay on staff in some capacity, which is crazy talk and would undermine the new DC. 

 

"Barry still could remain on the Packers' staff in some capacity -- a possibility that is being discussed, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter." 

 

source: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39377253/packers-fire-defensive-coordinator-joe-barry-according-reports

Cool. Whatever. I don't think that's a bad idea at all. He just can't be the leader of that defense. 

 

This feels like more of a negotiated buyout. You're still employed for a year, do something? IDK...but FREE AT LAST...of Joe Barry!