Brewers sign Rhys Hoskins

[tmwiese55]

And the Cain contract ended up terribly.              I personally do not wanting to be woken up to 5-6 year contracts to 30+ year old at high yearly value.  Those are usually horrendous contracts.    It would be terrible management.  

[torts]

1 hour ago, JefferyLeonard said:

So I see people want me to stop by here because they THINK this is somehow a slap at me that the Brewers signed Hoskins. Except...it's not. Was I NOT saying all off season here that he was the player I most wanted? Indeed I was, so kudos to the Crew for finally signing him. That being said, I am NOT the least bit surprised it's essentially a 1 year deal. Typical Brewers. So deathly afraid of signing a FA(this means someone not already on their team) to anything other than a 1 year deal or maybe one year with an option or in this case an opt out. 

I cannot help but laugh at everyone here implying that because Mark "splurged" 17 million for ONE year(OMG wow, $17 million for ONE year), that this makes him "not cheap". Newsflash....it still does. Especially when your payroll next year will have no one(outside of Yelich) making any kind of money. This isn't something he hasn't done before. He's the king of one year deals, and brewer fans suck it up and go "OMG look at Mark spending all this money". It's pathetic really how you all get suckered into that way of thinking. 

Wake me up when he finally(it won't happen) decides to sign a FA to a standard 3-4 year deal for 80-100 mill total. Then we'll talk about him NOT being cheap. I mean Hoskins is such a perfect fit, and yet, still would only do one year and gave HIM an opt out. LOL Now all you kool aid drinkers will come along and defend him by saying "uhhh derp uhhh how do we know Hoskins would have signed for any more then 1 year". Ummm it's called $$. I'd bet anyone if Mark offered him 3 yrs $60 million or 4 years $80 million he at MINIMUM would have thought long and hard about it, and most likely taken it, that's how I know.

OMG OMG OMG this pushes the Brewers payroll to what?? 120 Million?? *faints* I'm just so shocked! What do you think a guy like Jimmy Haslam would have the payroll at? I bet it would be $150 million or more. You know why? All that dude cares about is winning titles and will do anything to put himself in a position to win one. Look what he's done with the bucks already, and how he spends with the Browns. He doesn't care if he loses a few million along the way, or market size or anything like that if it gives him the best chance to win a title. Exactly the way an owner should operate. Are you listening Mark?? 

[MVP2110]

1 hour ago, monty57 said:

I think that's probably the case. The Brewers are/were probably looking for an MLB-ready guy like Harrison or Tiedemann, and it's very possible those guys aren't available. With the team they have (even before Hoskins), I never thought Burnes would be traded for a package of guys in the low minors, and that might be all that is being offered.

That said, let's not fool ourselves. A comp pick will have a lot less chance of MLB success than securing someone like Harrison or Tiedemann right now. They're no sure things, but they're highly thought of and have already hit the majors. I think it's pretty likely that they will provide more WAR value over the next 6-7 years than Burnes will provide in 2024, and I'd guess it will be around 3x as much. Burnes is projected by Fangraphs to get around 3.8 - 4.0 WAR this year, while Tiedemann is projected to play half a season in TOR and get 0.8 WAR That would be 1.6 WAR for a full season and about 2 or 3 less wins than with Burnes. 

Hoskins was a great get for the Brewers not because he's a superstar, but because the projected 1.7 - 1.8 WAR is a lot better than the black hole we had. Bauers is a zero WAR (aka replacement level) player. By definition, he is a guy you try to replace. We just replaced him with the best available option.

From the get-go, I didn't think they'd be able to afford Hoskins if they kept Burnes and Adames. If they can, then they'll definitely be a better team in 2024 if they hold onto the impending free agents. No one can doubt that. They'll just be a lot worse in '25 and beyond, and I don't think anyone can doubt that.

I'm excited we got Hoskins regardless of any other moves we make. I will, however, be sad when I see the headlines "Burnes and Adames opt for free agency" at the end of the season. That will be a lot for a team like the Brewers to account for, especially when "Hoskins opts out of the second year of his contract" would be soon to follow. 

I am certainly looking forward to this upcoming season, the Brewers as it currently stands should be NL Central favorites again. I am very intrigued by next offseason, how many QO do they give out(and how many comp picks do they get back)? Do they openly take a step back despite the bites at the apple approach they've taken or will they spend some money to try and get stop gaps until other young guys are ready. Next offseason will be fascinating but first I am definitely looking forward to Hoskins batting in the middle of our lineup this year 

[jerichoholicninja]

The real question is will the team finally give up Gantner's hold on the number 17 and let Hoskins have it?

[JefferyLeonard]

3 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

And the Cain contract ended up terribly.              I personally do not wanting to be woken up to 5-6 year contracts to 30+ year old at high yearly value.  Those are usually horrendous contracts.    It would be terrible management.  

Is it your $$?? Yeah, I didn't think so. This is the biggest thing I cannot stand about most sports fans...commenting on how this would be a bad contract or "I don't want him for what it would cost". Who cares?? IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY!

[jerichoholicninja]

5 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Is it your $$?? Yeah, I didn't think so. This is the biggest thing I cannot stand about most sports fans...commenting on how this would be a bad contract or "I don't want him for what it would cost". Who cares?? IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY!

It's almost like money that's spent on terrible players then can't be spent on players that are better or something. It's not a hard concept to understand.

[yfinn6]

1 minute ago, jerichoholicninja said:

It's almost like money that's spent on terrible players then can't be spent on players that are better or something. It's not a hard concept the understand.

Apparently it is. 

[tmwiese55]

6 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

Apparently it is. 

This worked out great in terms of logic and general plan, right situation for all parties. Just like with Grandall and Moose.   We get the low risk of 1-2 years while he's only 30ish.  Of course some risk due to the injury, but you have to take some.  If he does well, great for us. Great for him, as he'll then get the big contract he hopes for.  Which will almost assuredly end up badly for that team who signs him and will pay him 25 mil per year when he's 36. 

[JefferyLeonard]

8 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

It's almost like money that's spent on terrible players then can't be spent on players that are better or something. It's not a hard concept to understand.

Only if you're not willing to spend it. That is the ONLY thing that prevents such a scenario. Nothing else. So apparently it IS in fact a hard concept to understand. One does not prevent the other. 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Only if you're not willing to spend it. That is the ONLY thing that prevents such a scenario. Nothing else. So apparently it IS in fact a hard concept to understand. One does not prevent the other. 

Padres tried this very thing and came crashing back down to reality....There are in fact, limits. Even for billionaires (which MA isn't even). 

[JefferyLeonard]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

Padres tried this very thing and came crashing back down to reality....There are in fact, limits. Even for billionaires (which MA isn't even). 

So just because it didn't work for San Diego(or insert whatever team here that people want to use to make themselves feel better), means it automatically won't/wouldn't work for the Brewers? Okay cool. That's like using the transitory property in sports...Team A, beat Team C, and lost to team B, but team C beat team B etc etc

[homer]

2 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Wake me up when he finally(it won't happen) decides to sign a FA to a standard 3-4 year deal for 80-100 mill total.

If you promise to sleep until then, I promise to wake you up when it happens 

[Vgmastr]

Can we please stop feeding the troll?  It's a shtick, he's never going to post anything positive.  Every thread gets derailed and the ignore button is useless when the garbage that's being spewed is constantly quoted.

[JefferyLeonard]

Just now, Vgmastr said:

Can we please stop feeding the troll?  It's a shtick, he's never going to post anything positive.  Every thread gets derailed and the ignore button is useless when the garbage that's being spewed is constantly quoted.

It's not trolling, it's truth, and the fact of the matter is, this board can't handle and doesn't want to hear the truth because they drink the kool aid this organization has fed them about not being able to spend more yadda yadda yadda. Guillable, guillable fans, every single one of you. 

[TURBO]

2 minutes ago, Vgmastr said:

Can we please stop feeding the troll?  It's a shtick, he's never going to post anything positive.  Every thread gets derailed and the ignore button is useless when the garbage that's being spewed is constantly quoted.

He is also in the heads of a lot of people here, actually mentioning him before he showed up.  lol

Then when he shows up, the arguing begins, like clockwork.

[torts]

24 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

It's not trolling, it's truth, and the fact of the matter is, this board can't handle and doesn't want to hear the truth because they drink the kool aid this organization has fed them about not being able to spend more yadda yadda yadda. Guillable, guillable fans, every single one of you. 

Craig, is that you?

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

So I see people want me to stop by here because they THINK this is somehow a slap at me that the Brewers signed Hoskins. Except...it's not. Was I NOT saying all off season here that he was the player I most wanted? Indeed I was, so kudos to the Crew for finally signing him. That being said, I am NOT the least bit surprised it's essentially a 1 year deal. Typical Brewers. So deathly afraid of signing a FA(this means someone not already on their team) to anything other than a 1 year deal or maybe one year with an option or in this case an opt out. 

I cannot help but laugh at everyone here implying that because Mark "splurged" 17 million for ONE year(OMG wow, $17 million for ONE year), that this makes him "not cheap". Newsflash....it still does. Especially when your payroll next year will have no one(outside of Yelich) making any kind of money. This isn't something he hasn't done before. He's the king of one year deals, and brewer fans suck it up and go "OMG look at Mark spending all this money". It's pathetic really how you all get suckered into that way of thinking. 

Wake me up when he finally(it won't happen) decides to sign a FA to a standard 3-4 year deal for 80-100 mill total. Then we'll talk about him NOT being cheap. I mean Hoskins is such a perfect fit, and yet, still would only do one year and gave HIM an opt out. LOL Now all you kool aid drinkers will come along and defend him by saying "uhhh derp uhhh how do we know Hoskins would have signed for any more then 1 year". Ummm it's called $$. I'd bet anyone if Mark offered him 3 yrs $60 million or 4 years $80 million he at MINIMUM would have thought long and hard about it, and most likely taken it, that's how I know.

OMG OMG OMG this pushes the Brewers payroll to what?? 120 Million?? *faints* I'm just so shocked! What do you think a guy like Jimmy Haslam would have the payroll at? I bet it would be $150 million or more. You know why? All that dude cares about is winning titles and will do anything to put himself in a position to win one. Look what he's done with the bucks already, and how he spends with the Browns. He doesn't care if he loses a few million along the way, or market size or anything like that if it gives him the best chance to win a title. Exactly the way an owner should operate. Are you listening Mark?? 

LOL...dude, even after people predicted what you'd whine about, you failed to disappoint!

BTW, "look at what Haslem has done with the Bucks? Are you of the impression that he's the reason they're paying players the max and into the luxury tax(which they were well before he bought into a minority ownership position)?

 

It's amusing to me how some people seem to choose to be miserable. They signed the player YOU have been yammering on and on about and you're still not happy because they didn't give the guy coming off an ACL 4 years and 80M and they got him cheaper? Yeah...no, you're right. That makes sense! It makes way more sense to pay more for a player and expose yourself to more risk!

[39Streak]

Is it just me or is “JeffreyLeonard” not a perfect “handle” for this poster?

 

[JefferyLeonard]

12 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

LOL...dude, even after people predicted what you'd whine about, you failed to disappoint!

BTW, "look at what Haslem has done with the Bucks? Are you of the impression that he's the reason they're paying players the max and into the luxury tax(which they were well before he bought into a minority ownership position)?

 

It's amusing to me how some people seem to choose to be miserable. They signed the player YOU have been yammering on and on about and you're still not happy because they didn't give the guy coming off an ACL 4 years and 80M and they got him cheaper? Yeah...no, you're right. That makes sense! It makes way more sense to pay more for a player and expose yourself to more risk!

You're right, it makes ZERO sense to give a player who fits perfectly at perhaps your biggest position of need a multi year contract so you know, you don't have to worry about that position for awhile? You're right, that makes no sense. 

[Frisbee Slider]

[brewcrewdue80]

4 hours ago, homer said:

His home/road splits have been pretty drastic. He's been great at home (897 OPS) and decent on the road (797). Hopefully AmFam plays similar to the Philly park.

It is the NL East. Miami/NY/Atl/Was. While 2 are neutral I believe, 2 are more difficult. 

 

Titanrick said

 with you but apparently, we are in the minority.  It scares me to think we will lose Burnes for nothing more than a comp pick compared to what we could have landed by trading him.  And it seems like a lesson was learned in the Hader trade that you can't deal core guys when you're still in the hunt.

If we win the WS this year, great and gutsy move.  If we don't, then we missed out on significant talent that could have helped us get there.

 

With now the 2 large international signings- success with Chourio-Quero-Mitchell-Frelick-Wiemer-etc. You are getting stretched with so much ML and milb talent arriving at same time. The idea is they take QO picks because that's 2 or 3 besides the normal selections you're adding.  It's a 40man collection over 6+years of team control.  Without FA signings. So slow it down from this period. This current crop can add via trade in 2-4years. Heck next year Freddy/Devin can add via trade. 

[brewerfan82]

1 hour ago, Vgmastr said:

Can we please stop feeding the troll?  It's a shtick, he's never going to post anything positive.  Every thread gets derailed and the ignore button is useless when the garbage that's being spewed is constantly quoted.

Where the heck is the ignore button? I've spent the past 10 minutes trying to find it, lol. This whole thing has gotten ridiculous. There is zero possibility this person is in their right mind and not trolling the place on purpose at this point and it doesn't seem like the moderators are doing anything about it, so I'd like to give the ignore feature a try and would encourage anyone else that's ready to move on to do the same.

Update: Found it! Hover their profile image without clicking on it and the button is in a popup that appears.

[MVP2110]

Putting the user on ignore certainly has helped, but the threads all still end up being derailed so I hope the mods can find some sort of a solution to that. I'd love to just come and talk about the signing, how Hoskins will fit in, the risks of the opt out. etc. 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Only if you're not willing to spend it. That is the ONLY thing that prevents such a scenario. Nothing else. So apparently it IS in fact a hard concept to understand. One does not prevent the other. 

Damn...I didn't realize how simple it was. We could be looking at Ohtani and Soto in this lineup, but we just...weren't willing to spend! 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, JefferyLeonard said:

You're right, it makes ZERO sense to give a player who fits perfectly at perhaps your biggest position of need a multi year contract so you know, you don't have to worry about that position for awhile? You're right, that makes no sense. 

...you genuinely think that despite the fact that we have Black, Wilken and a ton of young position players coming up, it would make MORE sense to pay Hoskins MORE money coming off an ACL?

 

You're unintentionally one of the funniest posters on here.