Quero prospect trade

[Scooterfletcher]

No reason not to be dangling him for a pitching upgrade.  Heck, Clarke might get passable enough behind the dish to backup Wild Bill.  What say you?

[wallus]

No

[SF70]

Absolutely not.

You don’t trade a potential future all-star catcher that has a good chance of being extended like his fellow countryman Chourio.

A Quero & Chourio duo up the middle for a decade is potentially franchise altering.

[jay87shot]

I would wait until at least after this season to make any long term decisions on C. If things go right he will spend most of the year in AAA and maybe get a few games in the big at the end of the year. If there are injuries maybe more mlb experience. Next offseason if Contreras is still a stud and Quero continues to impress then there will be a tough chose, might depend on a Contreras extension price. I could see us doing a prospect swap for Quero, trading him as a lead in a package for a star, or trading Contreras for a huge package.

Maybe 2025 we try and make Contreras/Quero work and let Contreras DH a bunch, Wes Clarke as emergency C. 

[RedStickBrew]

[nate82]

Skenes is probably the only pitching prospect I would trade Quero for.  That would be a lopsided trade in the Brewers favor but I wouldn’t want anything less than that for Quero. 

[SF70]

1 minute ago, nate82 said:

Skenes is probably the only pitching prospect I would trade Quero for.  That would be a lopsided trade in the Brewers favor but I wouldn’t want anything less than that for Quero. 

Quero’s age and extension potential makes him more valuable long-term than Skeens or any pitcher for that matter.

I’ll take the 10 years of all-star type catching over 6 years of a TOR starter.

[Lloyd330]

1 hour ago, SF70 said:

Quero’s age and extension potential makes him more valuable long-term than Skeens or any pitcher for that matter.

I’ll take the 10 years of all-star type catching over 6 years of a TOR starter.

Thats like saying you would rather have yadier molina over Cole/Healthy Woodruff....C'mon

[SF70]

1 hour ago, Lloyd330 said:

Thats like saying you would rather have yadier molina over Cole/Healthy Woodruff....C'mon

But Woodruff hasn’t been healthy and that’s the problem taking the TOR starter over the all-star catcher — health.

For every Cole or Burnes, there’s multitudes of Woodruff’s or deGrom’s.

[Playing Catch]

I like Quero, too, but catching prospects flame out all the time, or become just regular players. I don't think Quero has shown nearly enough with the bat for us to be putting 10 time all-star speculation on the kid. Goodness. I just think he'll be an average starter -- which is a great thing!

[harrydalton]

 

No trade for Quero now. Young for such a developed catcher. No comparable catching prospect behind him.

 

[SF70]

1 hour ago, Playing Catch said:

I like Quero, too, but catching prospects flame out all the time, or become just regular players. I don't think Quero has shown nearly enough with the bat for us to be putting 10 time all-star speculation on the kid. Goodness. I just think he'll be an average starter -- which is a great thing!

Quero’s first half performance with the bat last year at AA prior to his hand injury was enough for me to see his future hitting talent. 

He was every bit the hitter Chourio was prior to the injury. The guy can hit.

[RedStickBrew]

8 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Quero’s first half performance with the bat last year at AA prior to his hand injury was enough for me to see his future hitting talent. 

He was every bit the hitter Chourio was prior to the injury. The guy can hit.

A very encouraging year with the bat at AA which is why I would guess he catapulted up many prospect lists.  Since he is so good defensively, I would guess he has a pretty high MLB floor. Let’s hope he continues to progress with the bat and just as importantly stays healthy. 

[Playing Catch]

1 hour ago, SF70 said:

Quero’s first half performance with the bat last year at AA prior to his hand injury was enough for me to see his future hitting talent. 

He was every bit the hitter Chourio was prior to the injury. The guy can hit.

I went back and looked at All-star type catchers minor league stats at their respective ages/levels and compared them to Quero and came away feeling like I've been perhaps a little too cautious with my excitement about Quero. He really DOES have a really good prospect profile with the bat. Of course, any prospect can flop, but Quero is looking better than I thought!

[Brewcrew82]

Better play is to trade Contreras in a couple years for a haul to keep the pipeline flowing. 

[MrTPlush]

Why does Quero have extension potential? Am I missing some news?

 

I love Quero and I was on the Quero bandwagon way before most...but catching prospects can be pretty darn fickle. There have been plenty of massively hyped can't miss bats from catching prospects that were massive flops. Mike Zunio, Jesus Montero, and Fransisco Mejia come to mind. Just a brutally rough position to make the majors and excel offensively getting beat up day after day. 

That being said, I can't imagine a trade scenario where I would ship him off. Would have to be much like the Yelich trade. 

 

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, MrTPlush said:

Why does Quero have extension potential? Am I missing some news?

 

I love Quero and I was on the Quero bandwagon way before most...but catching prospects can be pretty darn fickle. There have been plenty of massively hyped can't miss bats from catching prospects that were massive flops. Mike Zunio, Jesus Montero, and Fransisco Mejia come to mind. Just a brutally rough position to make the majors and excel offensively getting beat up day after day. 

That being said, I can't imagine a trade scenario where I would ship him off. Would have to be much like the Yelich trade. 

 

Quero is only 21 and evaluators have already labeled him the best defensive catcher in the minors. Defense gives you a major league floor on its own. Add to that elite for age EV and solid contact numbers and you've got a potential star.

Catcher prospects are more hit or miss for sure, but Quero is as safe as it really gets for a 21 year old. And an extension gets you his prime years at a reduced cost. 

[SF70]

38 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Quero is only 21 and evaluators have already labeled him the best defensive catcher in the minors. Defense gives you a major league floor on its own. Add to that elite for age EV and solid contact numbers and you've got a potential star.

Catcher prospects are more hit or miss for sure, but Quero is as safe as it really gets for a 21 year old. And an extension gets you his prime years at a reduced cost. 

I’ll also add the fact of him only signing for 200K and coming from Venezuela where his family is likely quite poor giving him tremendous incentive to get his money sooner rather than waiting till later.

I see a future Chourio-type extension in length offered and likely accepted.

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Better play is to trade Contreras in a couple years for a haul to keep the pipeline flowing. 

I wholeheartedly agree with this. And there's enough control remaining for Contreras that there's more than enough time for Quero to prove to the organization that you can make that move.

[MrTPlush]

14 hours ago, SF70 said:

I’ll also add the fact of him only signing for 200K and coming from Venezuela where his family is likely quite poor giving him tremendous incentive to get his money sooner rather than waiting till later

 

Do you know how many of MLB's premier players come from poor central American backgrounds? Yet almost all of them never sign a cheap extension before or very very early in their MLB careers. I'm actually not sure this logic is as sound as it appears on paper. The average monthly salary is $175 in Venezuela, a guy from there would have more money than he would ever need before he hit arbitration. Even at 3x the average salary, that $200k bonus would last a guy two decades. 

If Quero's floor is a MLB back-up catcher due to his defense (probably accurate assuming he can at least get near a .700 OPS), then he is already set for life and the next two generations behind him. 

These early extensions honestly make more sense for someone in the US because a $200k bonus would last you a few years, it would last a few decades in Venezuela. 

[duewizard]

Quero will more than likely get at least 6 years service time if he is only a backup catcher. If his floor is basically being Caratini, that's around $8 million at least. 

[BrewerFan]

On 2/27/2024 at 10:12 AM, SF70 said:

But Woodruff hasn’t been healthy and that’s the problem taking the TOR starter over the all-star catcher — health.

For every Cole or Burnes, there’s multitudes of Woodruff’s or deGrom’s.

And there's a reason why those pitchers, despite their injuries, have gotten paid. 

Jacob deGrom, through when he became a FA was a 2X Cy Winner, a ROY and finished in the top 8 of Cy Young voting 3 more times. 

Same with Woodruff to a lesser degree, but pitchers eventually get injured, but if they're that dominant between injuries, it's well worth it. 

I would not be dangling Quero, but IF Skenes was offered for him, I think you have to make that trade. The issue is...it won't be and this thread is asking if we should actively be shopping Quero for pitching. That's an unequivocal no. Just having a good catcher doesn't mean you look to trade the well-rounded catcher who's a top prospect. Especially given Contreras ability to hit. It will work itself out. You could extend both, you could extend Quero, you could extend neither and just transition from Contreras to Quero with a year or two overlap and bring back a couple of premium prospects. 

 

BUT...to be clear, arguing you could end up with THIS...is not a point against the trade!

[BrewerFan]

17 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

Do you know how many of MLB's premier players come from poor central American backgrounds? Yet almost all of them never sign a cheap extension before or very very early in their MLB careers.

It actually seems like they're more likely to. Particularly the high end prospects on the teams that are more aggressive about giving out early extensions.

17 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

The average monthly salary is $175 in Venezuela, a guy from there would have more money than he would ever need before he hit arbitration. Even at 3x the average salary, that $200k bonus would last a guy two decades. 

Ok...but he's not living in Venezuela year 'round, he's living in the US. He's paying US taxes. He's renting in the US, driving in the US, and spending at least half the year in the US. He's then traveling back and forth. But even in America, when do we do this? Use the average salary for an American and then factor that into a player signing.

He's also a kid and that 200K has already been cut up and divided and likely spent much of it. So I'd guess the majority of that is now gone. I also don't think any MLB player wants to have his money "last," him 2 decades. He probably wants to spend it. 16-year-olds don't often look into which ETF is the best to grow their retirement. They want to buy a chain, a car, some other foolish purchases. 

Also, doesn't this cut both ways? You're talking about the poverty in Venezuela. Wouldn't that make it MORE likely a player would want to secure a 60-80M dollar GTD extension than not?

That'd set him up for generations. An injury and he could be working one of those jobs at some point. 

 

17 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

 

If Quero's floor is a MLB back-up catcher due to his defense (probably accurate assuming he can at least get near a .700 OPS), then he is already set for life and the next two generations behind him. 

 Well, realistically, his floor is a shoulder injury, an ineffective catcher who spends a decade bouncing back and forth between AAA and MLB.

But sure, a healthy Quero is likely at least a backup catcher and use Caratini. He's made ~7.5M through the age of 30 and now has a 2-year 12M dollar contract. Balance that vs a player at ~21 or ~22 getting 60M GTD and becoming a FA at roughly the same time. 

I think it makes quite a bit of sense on Paper if the Brewers are willing to be aggressive and make the offer...and assuming he continues to give them reason to. It's jumping the gun, but assuming he has a very good AAA season, maybe gets the call and produces this year. 

 

I'd also be looking at an extension for Uribe(6/24 2 options for 10 and 12, 6M buyout). 

[MrTPlush]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I think it makes quite a bit of sense on Paper if the Brewers are willing to be aggressive and make the offer...and assuming he continues to give them reason to. It's jumping the gun, but assuming he has a very good AAA season, maybe gets the call and produces this year.

Depends on what the extension is. He has a high floor, but his odds of being at his floor versus an All-Star are WAY higher than it is for a guy in the OF. Not to mention catcher salaries are notably less than most positions. At the start of last year there were only 4 catchers in baseball set to make north of $10mil. Without looking I would have to guess a 'meh' starting catcher propped up by his defense doesn't fair very well in arbitration, hypothetically. 

8/$35mil? Plus, two generous option years like Chourio? Even $35mil guaranteed feels like a bit too much for a catcher. 

Problem with Abner Uribe is the fact he isn't very young...he is pretty old honestly. Any extension would spill into his 30s... relievers are already fickle as it is...let alone at 30+. It would have to be a pretty darn cheap extension with the goal really just hoping to avoid $10mil+ reliever salaries in his arby years. 

[jay87shot]

I would wait on any Quero long term deal. Again at least until next offseason. His prospect status as a defensive whiz 20 year old in AA with a decent bat is well deserved but to be a long star catcher in the bigs he is going to have to hit better. .260 in AA is nice but a long way from the big leagues. If he can get say 50-100 mlb ab's and not look outmatched I would be ok with an extension like Colt Keith just signed 6/28 with ability to be 9/82.

I wouldnt mind an Abner extension like Emmanuel Clase maybe half way through the year if he looks good still.