J.D. Davis?

[Playing Catch]

I like him more than Bauers...

https://www.mlb.com/news/jd-davis-on-waivers-giants

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, Playing Catch said:

I like him more than Bauers...

https://www.mlb.com/news/jd-davis-on-waivers-giants

I’d put in a claim on him, but only if he’s got the chops to hack it everyday at 3B. Then Ortiz starts at 2B and can punt two of Miller, Turang and Monasterio to AAA

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

I’d put in a claim on him, but only if he’s got the chops to hack it everyday at 3B. Then Ortiz starts at 2B and can punt two of Miller, Turang and Monasterio to AAA

I imagine they would need to trade to get him. Doubt he makes it to the Brewers waiver priority.

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

I imagine they would need to trade to get him. Doubt he makes it to the Brewers waiver priority.

Agree, there should be lots of takers on a bat like Davis. Especially if he doesn't cost much, he can play 3B, 1B. and LF.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

Agree, there should be lots of takers on a bat like Davis. Especially if he doesn't cost much, he can play 3B, 1B. and LF.

It’s also 7 million dollars, which will turn off a lot of teams 

[brewmann04]

I rather get one of those FA arms 

[Playing Catch]

19 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

It’s also 7 million dollars, which will turn off a lot of teams 

Yes. This is certainly a consideration. But the Crew's payroll is low enough where it leads one to believe that they have flexibility to add. It seems like a fair price for Davis, if he is the right fit for a roster/payroll.

I'm not even sure I want him, perhaps preferring to give Black, and others a shot. But I also think he would make the 26-man better.

[Lathund]

My first thought when he was waived was indeed that Brewers should probably be interested. Maybe they won't be at $7m, or maybe they do believe in the batted ball data for Bauers and want to keep him (Would be hard to fit both on the roster), but it does make some sense. 

To avoid the waiver lottery, working out a trade for a minor prospect and perhaps reducing the salary some seems likely. 

[brewerfan82]

If we add anyone at this point and it isn't an impact bat (ie. Belt or Martinez), then I definitely want someone with positional flexibility because of all the young guys. 1.) So they can move around the diamond to allow the younger players playing time, and 2.) so they can fill any holes that develop from players showing they aren't quite ready for the big leagues.

Davis definitely would qualify for this. There are also a few free agents still available that have positional flexibility. The following players are listed on FanGraphs with multiple positions, including third base. All the free agents also have 2nd base listed, which is one plus over Davis. But Davis, Solano, and La Stella also have 1B listed, which is a plus especially if it's a straight swap for Bauers on the roster.

2021-23:

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2021-23 vs. RHP:

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2021-23 vs. LHP:

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Of all those players, Davis (117 wRC+ vs. RHP/108 wRC+ vs. LHP), Solano (105/115), Harrison (98/91), and Segura (85/116) have wRC+ splits of at least 85 from both sides of the plate. And here are their 2024 ZiPS projections:

• Davis (31 years old) - 464 PA, 14 HR, 1 SB, 9.9% BB%, 28.9% K%, .249/.334/.411, 107 wRC+, 1.8 WAR
• Solano (36) - 367 PA, 5 HR, 0 SB, 7.1% BB%, 22.1% K%, .267/.335/.371, 98 wRC+, 0.7 WAR
• Harrison (36) - 357 PA, 6 HR, 3 SB, 5.0% BB%, 17.6% K%, .260/.320/.375, 85 wRC+, 1.2 WAR
• Segura (34) - 400 PA, 6 HR, 7 SB, 6.8% BB%, 15.3% K%, .260/.318/.355, 89 wRC+, 1.4 WAR

I'd definitely like Davis' bat in the lineup the most out of those 4 (he does have the most swing and miss in there as well, but I suspect with his higher BB% that also means he works counts leading to both BBs and Ks), but he's likely to cost more both financially and in trade.

If a trade can't be worked out for Davis, I'm more interested in solidifying the lineup than I am concerned with the defense on this team, so if any of the other three are available at the right price, I'd dig a Solano signing. I wouldn't be against signing Harrison or Segura, they would add some defense and both put the ball in play, but I feel they're a little more redundant with the defensively solid young players and I think I'd just go with what we've got over them.

So long story short, put me down for a Davis trade or Solano signing! (And of course sign both Snell and Montgomery and we're off to the races!)

[sveumrules]

10 hours ago, jay87shot said:

he can play 3B, 1B. and LF

-38 DRS | -7 OAA in 2240 career innings at 3B and -9 DRS | -11 OAA over only 665 innings in LF. Dude is pretty brutal afield.

His metrics are fine at 1B (0 DRS | +2 OAA) but it’s also only 287 innings spread over seven calendar years, so huge grain of salt required.

He’s better than Bauers, no doubt, but also $5.5M more expensive and would require some kind of prospect going back to SF.

Guess it comes down to how much room there is in the budget and who the Giants would want in return.

[nate82]

Just no.  

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Davis is on waivers, so if he makes it to the Brewers he could be claimed and they only owe his $6.9M salary for the season. No need to give up prospects.  He could also clear waivers and then I believe he becomes a free agent and we could sign him for less, though I dont think his salary is that unreasonable.

I'd like the depth he would provide and they could use another power bat. Bauers does not excite me so he would be an upgrade. JD is a RH, but his career splits are pretty even.  I'd be on board with picking him up.  I could see dropping Bauers or they could option Turang to AAA for more seasoning and use Ortiz at 2b, and JD at 3b.  His defense at 3b is not good, but may be worth it to get another power bat in the lineup.

[nate82]

28 minutes ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

I'd like the depth he would provide and they could use another power bat. Bauers does not excite me so he would be an upgrade. JD is a RH, but his career splits are pretty even.  I'd be on board with picking him up.  I could see dropping Bauers or they could option Turang to AAA for more seasoning and use Ortiz at 2b, and JD at 3b.  His defense at 3b is not good, but may be worth it to get another power bat in the lineup.

To me Bauers and JD are the same player.  So neither excite me at all. 

[Matt Breen]

Davis' bat is interesting - but nothing special. Decent, but not great power. No real split issues - meaning he can play against lefties and righties. Inconsistent hitter at times, but probably a bit above average at the plate. Nothing wrong with that. Biggest issue is that he's a bad defender. If he played 3B adequately, he'd be nice to have. But he's generally seen as a sub-par fielder - wherever he plays. If he was a bit better hitter, a team could plug him in at DH and the occasional start in the field. And I guess we could do that.

[Outlander]

Can't imagine he gets claimed, nobody is interested in him at his arbitartion price if the Giants couldn't trade him. Would be doing the Giants a favor by claiming him.

[sveumrules]

Looks like Davis has cleared waivers.

Since his $6.9M salary was awarded at a hearing and not agreed upon twixt both parties prior to, he is only guaranteed $1.11M from the Giants.

Another reason its in guys best interests to come to an agreement with the club before going in front of the panel.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Looks like Davis has cleared waivers.

Since his $6.9M salary was awarded at a hearing and not agreed upon twixt both parties prior to, he is only guaranteed $1.11M from the Giants.

Another reason its in guys best interests to come to an agreement with the club before going in front of the panel.

Per MLBTR - he will likely get the full $6.9m from the Giants:

By cutting him now, the Giants could potentially only owe him 30 days of termination pay — about $1.11MM. The CBA, however, explicitly states that this applies to players who have “failed to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability.”

[young guns]

17 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

The CBA, however, explicitly states that this applies to players who have “failed to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability.”

Jeeze, what does this even mean?  It feels like a poison pill inserted by lawyers just so they can get paid more to argue what it means.

[Axman59]

On 3/11/2024 at 2:50 PM, EddieTheCousin said:

Per MLBTR - he will likely get the full $6.9m from the Giants:

By cutting him now, the Giants could potentially only owe him 30 days of termination pay — about $1.11MM. The CBA, however, explicitly states that this applies to players who have “failed to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability.”

Not true. MLBTR has backtracked. SF will pay Davis $1.1 million (30 days pay) and nothing more. SF would not have released him now if they were going to be on the hook for $6.9 million.

MLBTR writers are not well versed in the nuances of the CBA. But you know who is? Farhan Zaidi.

[Playing Catch]

9 hours ago, Axman59 said:

Not true. MLBTR has backtracked. SF will pay Davis $1.1 million (30 days pay) and nothing more. SF would not have released him now if they were going to be on the hook for $6.9 million.

MLBTR writers are not well versed in the nuances of the CBA. But you know who is? Farhan Zaidi.

I'm sure Zaidi knows all the nuances of the CBA, but it's also possible that they didn't want to roster him, and knew they'd have to pay him no matter what.

The fact an arbiter sided with Davis in his hearing is a pretty potent piece of evidence for him to file a grievance.

I don't know if this is a thing, but maybe the Giants end up paying the difference between his new team's contract and $6.9M.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Axman59 said:

Not true. MLBTR has backtracked. SF will pay Davis $1.1 million (30 days pay) and nothing more. SF would not have released him now if they were going to be on the hook for $6.9 million.

MLBTR writers are not well versed in the nuances of the CBA. But you know who is? Farhan Zaidi.

Ahhhh - sounds like since he went to a hearing, the new provision would not apply.

Kind of odd the PA would agree to that but yeah - looks like Giants will only have to pay him the $1.1 mil

[Axman59]

Signed with the A's for $2.5 million (with a possible $1 million in incentives). So he lost a good chunk of change getting released by the Giants ($3.3 or $2.3 million).

 

 

[bigred]

On 3/12/2024 at 10:27 AM, young guns said:

Jeeze, what does this even mean?  It feels like a poison pill inserted by lawyers just so they can get paid more to argue what it means.

It's fancy word play that can be understood in MANY different ways, which is the point, mostly. Difficult for teams to say the player wasn't playing well. 

[harrydalton]

Is J.D. Davis now a trade deadline option for Brewers?

[Outlander]

Doubt it, he has been pretty bad and Hoskins has that role. Not a lefty so not an upgrade over Bauers either