Brewers/Rays Suspensions

[Samurai Bucky]

Umpires off the hook.

[homer]

Uribe's is the only appropriate Brewer ban.

[KeithStone53151]

My jaw may have literally hit the floor when I saw the 5 game suspension on Peralta. I still don't believe the hbp was intentional, and there's far from definitive proof that it was indeed intentional. I would think if he intended to hit him, he would have done it sooner than the 4th pitch.

I disagree on all the others. Uribe should probably be more for contact with the ump(in soccer, a player last year was suspended 8 games or 20% of the season for lightly pushing a ref...i'm not sure how an unintentional girly slap compares to a light shove), the other 2 should be less. Peralta I'm completely shocked he has any suspension at all.

How many games is the ump being suspended for being complete trash?

[Samurai Bucky]

Something funny... Tyler Black was even late to the fight.  Silly rookie 😎

[MrTPlush]

The Peralta suspension isn't shocking at all. That situation is basically what caused the rest to transpire. If you don't suspend Peralta you are basically saying you don't know if it was intentional or not...thus he should have never been ejected. He has to be suspended to make the ejection justified. 

Siri threw punches so he was going to get suspended and Uribe's doesn't need much explanation. 

Murphy getting suspended is somewhat odd, but guessing they want to punish him for his players being so unhinged creating a ruckus. 

[KeithStone53151]

4 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

The Peralta suspension isn't shocking at all. That situation is basically what caused the rest to transpire. If you don't suspend Peralta you are basically saying you don't know if it was intentional or not...thus he should have never been ejected. He has to be suspended to make the ejection justified. 

Siri threw punches so he was going to get suspended and Uribe's doesn't need much explanation. 

Murphy getting suspended is somewhat odd, but guessing they want to punish him for his players being so unhinged creating a ruckus. 

So Peralta is now responsible for the actions of Uribe. And mlb should double down on the stupidity of the umpires and make a bad decision even worse when his intent is not known and he's never intentionally thrown at someone before in his entire career? This is literally the worst possible argument you could make for Peralta's suspension.

And now Murphy is responsible for the actions of his players from the clubhouse too?

[MrTPlush]

54 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

So Peralta is now responsible for the actions of Uribe. And mlb should double down on the stupidity of the umpires and make a bad decision even worse when his intent is not known and he's never intentionally thrown at someone before in his entire career? This is literally the worst possible argument you could make for Peralta's suspension.

And now Murphy is responsible for the actions of his players from the clubhouse too?

Well, don’t kill the messenger. It’s highly possible an ejection from a pitcher hitting someone is an auto suspension. I can’t think of any of the top of my head, but it would not shock me if all of them end up suspended.

I guess I don’t find much wrong with Murphy getting a suspension for his dugout acting like a bunch of babies over a HR celebration. I’m all for standing up for your guys and not being pushovers, but when it gets to slapping other players it has gotten a little out of hand.

[LouisEly]

Starting pitchers always get 5 games so that they miss a start.  Brewers aren't in NYC until the last week of the season so I believe they could appeal until then.  Otherwise, if Peralta happens to line up on July 10th/11th/12th they can pitch up to four other starters before the All-Star break, then pitch other starters for the first 1-3 games after the break, without having to put stress on the rotation or bullpen.

[KeithStone53151]

I just watched the jomboy breakdown. Nowhere in there did I see Peralta stare down Siri on the hr. The next at bat I saw 4 pitches that missed the zone by a fair amount.. Slider way outside, fastball in at the knees...but not in enough to hit him, slider in the dirt, and then the fastball in that got him. Because I saw the pitches all in order, it was easy to see his left foot landed in more or less the exact same spot on each pitch. If he was throwing at Siri on purpose, his left foot would land more to the right on that pitch than the other 3 as he's aiming for a different target.

For the record, I 1000 percent believe the latter incident doesn't happen if the umpire doesn't throw Peralta out...which goes back to umpires shouldn't be throwing guys out at nearly the rate they do.

[MrTPlush]

7 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

I just watched the jomboy breakdown. Nowhere in there did I see Peralta stare down Siri on the hr. The next at bat I saw 4 pitches that missed the zone by a fair amount.. Slider way outside, fastball in at the knees...but not in enough to hit him, slider in the dirt, and then the fastball in that got him. Because I saw the pitches all in order, it was easy to see his left foot landed in more or less the exact same spot on each pitch. If he was throwing at Siri on purpose, his left foot would land more to the right on that pitch than the other 3 as he's aiming for a different target.

For the record, I 1000 percent believe the latter incident doesn't happen if the umpire doesn't throw Peralta out...which goes back to umpires shouldn't be throwing guys out at nearly the rate they do.

He definitely watched Siri…I guess the definition of stare down may be questionable.

I don’t have extensive research, but I don’t think a guys foot is notably going to change while try to hit someone. That line of thinking is probably how a guy ends up throwing it 10 feet behind a guy when they try to hit them.

I mean, sure, maybe Peralta’s command just magically dissipated when the guy that showboated a HR came back up to bat. That would be quiiite a coincidence. Peralta’s reaction when hitting Siri and lack of reaction when getting ejected is probably pretty telling. I pulled up his HBPs since 2021. Ignoring the ones that aren’t obvious if foul ball or HBP he almost always visually reacts, usually hopping in frustration and sometimes even turning his back to home. Actually, we even have an example from the same game. He was pretty upset hitting a guy just an inning prior.

But thus, it wasn’t blatantly obvious. Nor did Siri seem to care. Why the umpire had to make something of it is odd regardless

[RobertCrawley]

 

 

That ump was spoiling for a fight.

[RobertCrawley]

Unjust suspension of Freddy. Even if it was intentional (probably was), the ejection was enough. Five games is way out of proportion to the act.

[homer]

49 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

 

 

That ump was spoiling for a fight.

It's kind of hilarious how cocky Siri is given his .186 average this season and .219 average for his career.

[homer]

2 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

He definitely watched Siri…I guess the definition of stare down may be questionable.

I don’t have extensive research, but I don’t think a guys foot is notably going to change while try to hit someone. That line of thinking is probably how a guy ends up throwing it 10 feet behind a guy when they try to hit them.

I mean, sure, maybe Peralta’s command just magically dissipated when the guy that showboated a HR came back up to bat. That would be quiiite a coincidence. Peralta’s reaction when hitting Siri and lack of reaction when getting ejected is probably pretty telling. I pulled up his HBPs since 2021. Ignoring the ones that aren’t obvious if foul ball or HBP he almost always visually reacts, usually hopping in frustration and sometimes even turning his back to home. Actually, we even have an example from the same game. He was pretty upset hitting a guy just an inning prior.

But thus, it wasn’t blatantly obvious. Nor did Siri seem to care. Why the umpire had to make something of it is odd regardless

warn both benches. it's done.

[RobertCrawley]

Also, Pat has quite the vocabulary, does he not?

[Brian]

Any Opinions?

I think umps and refs favor to market size and the Bucks are 4th from the bottom and Brewers are 3rd from the bottom.

I believe that is why a lot of close decisions aways go the other way. Just my thought. 

The Packers have a much bigger national following, so that is my guess why things aren't as bad for them. 

 

[SeaBass]

3 hours ago, RobertCrawley said:

Unjust suspension of Freddy. Even if it was intentional (probably was), the ejection was enough. Five games is way out of proportion to the act.

It's the intentional part that earns the suspension and I believe, along with a few others that have posted here, that a suspension is automatic every time. Intentionally throw at a guy and you'll get suspended. It happened in the Mets series after Hoskins was thrown at (due to the whole McNeill late slide thing), pitcher and manager both got suspended.

[Team Canada]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

Any Opinions?

I think umps and refs favor to market size and the Bucks are 4th from the bottom and Brewers are 3rd from the bottom.

I believe that is why a lot of close decisions aways go the other way. Just my thought. 

The Packers have a much bigger national following, so that is my guess why things aren't as bad for them. 

 

I think we need to give officials more credit than that. I don't think it's ever that cut and dried, and every fan base complains about the calls that don't go their way.

[RobertCrawley]

21 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

I think we need to give officials more credit than that. I don't think it's ever that cut and dried, and every fan base complains about the calls that don't go their way.

In this case, the ump was anxious to dig into Pat as much as he could. Not very professional. 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Brian said:

Any Opinions?

I think umps and refs favor to market size and the Bucks are 4th from the bottom and Brewers are 3rd from the bottom.

I believe that is why a lot of close decisions aways go the other way. Just my thought. 

The Packers have a much bigger national following, so that is my guess why things aren't as bad for them. 

 

I don't think the UMPs care about market size. I think there are going to be bad calls and when we benefit from them, we don't remember nearly as much. 

If there is an issue, it may be with the Brewers having cleared the benches 3 times this year. That would have played a bigger role in the over the top reaction and making the bad call with Peralta.

It's also Tampa Bay. It's not like they've got a roaring fan base...

[KeithStone53151]

10 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

He definitely watched Siri…I guess the definition of stare down may be questionable.

I don’t have extensive research, but I don’t think a guys foot is notably going to change while try to hit someone. That line of thinking is probably how a guy ends up throwing it 10 feet behind a guy when they try to hit them.

I mean, sure, maybe Peralta’s command just magically dissipated when the guy that showboated a HR came back up to bat. That would be quiiite a coincidence. Peralta’s reaction when hitting Siri and lack of reaction when getting ejected is probably pretty telling. I pulled up his HBPs since 2021. Ignoring the ones that aren’t obvious if foul ball or HBP he almost always visually reacts, usually hopping in frustration and sometimes even turning his back to home. Actually, we even have an example from the same game. He was pretty upset hitting a guy just an inning prior.

But thus, it wasn’t blatantly obvious. Nor did Siri seem to care. Why the umpire had to make something of it is odd regardless

I didn't really consider this. I'll take your word for his action upon hitting other players. You seem to strongly think he hit him on purpose, I seem to strongly think he most likely did not...though I personally would not say I am certain either way. I think there's enough gray area...that it isn't clear-cut enough that warrants an ejection. He didn't walk toward home plate beating his chest like the more obvious intentional actions. Ejecting him was just terrible, and led to everything else.

Umpire fines aren't disclosed publicly like a player fine, but I have a friend that works at the stadium and in this case the umpire did receive a fine for his actions. Probably less so for the ejection and moreso for whatever happened with Big Pat afterward but that part is just my speculation.

Regarding 5 games, for a starting pitcher 5 games is essentially a 1 game suspension. Doing 1 or 2 games for a starting pitcher, he'd just take it between starts and it would be literally meaningless. So they always do 5 games at least for a starting pitcher for that reason.

[rickh150]

6 hours ago, RobertCrawley said:

Also, Pat has quite the vocabulary, does he not?

Shameful most of it….can be tough and hard-nosed without it.

[brooks_quichenick]

3 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Shameful most of it….can be tough and hard-nosed without it.

 

[RobertCrawley]

4 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

I didn't really consider this. I'll take your word for his action upon hitting other players. You seem to strongly think he hit him on purpose, I seem to strongly think he most likely did not...though I personally would not say I am certain either way. I think there's enough gray area...that it isn't clear-cut enough that warrants an ejection. He didn't walk toward home plate beating his chest like the more obvious intentional actions. Ejecting him was just terrible, and led to everything else.

Completely agree. I have my opinions about whether it was on purpose, but it's just that. An opinion. And that's pretty much what the ump had as well, and that's not enough to eject Freddy. He's not Carnac the Magnificent. I'm glad to hear he was likely fined. 

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Shameful most of it….can be tough and hard-nosed without it.

Seriously? He's not coaching Little League...(where really arguing with the ump, even if you're right is ridiculous). This is MLB... the ump was antagonistic, they're all adults. 

I don't think Murphy's behavior was "shameful."