Pirates (Keller) vs Brewers (Rea): 5/13/24, 6:40pm

[Sixtolezcano]

5 minutes ago, BCF said:

What don’t you like about Murphy? 

He is horrible managing his pitching staff, both starters and bullpen. He seems to not have a clue when to play a hot hand (Dunn vs. Ortiz is one of many examples) he is not consistent in his decision's, always select veteran players over the need to develop youngsters which seems to be in direct opposition to the GM…

[Brian]

9 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

I really hope this is Murphy’s only season managing the Brewers.

We need better relievers, We would have at least 3 more wins if Devin Williams was healthy. Every reliever gave up a run or more today. Hard to win when all your relievers are giving up runs. 

[wiguy94]

11 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Brewers miss having a Bryce Wilson type guy in the pen. Herget looked decent getting a save bring him back and get rid of V.

Wilson to the rotation and everyone else in the pen shifted up a spot on the leverage rung with Williams hurt definitely has hurt the back of the pen. Plus you have injuries to guys like Clarke and Bukauskas who would be those end of the pen guys if healthy. The depth has really been tested. Honestly might need to DFA both Vieira and White and try someone new. Preferably people with options.

[BCF]

1 minute ago, Sixtolezcano said:

He is horrible managing his pitching staff, both starters and bullpen. He seems to not have a clue when to play a hot hand (Dunn vs. Ortiz is one of many examples) he is not consistent in his decision's, always select veteran players over the need to develop youngsters which seems to be in direct opposition to the GM…

The Brewers are without their top reliever, #2 and #4 starters, Uribe has struggled and in AAA they were without Yelich for multiple weeks and Mitchell all year. Yet they are 7 games over .500 

[Jim French Stepstool]

I sure hope Willy was going to 3rd b/c he was anticipating a throw home. It still would've been a terrible decision, but at least he'd have a bad excuse for being mentally vacant.

It's getting kinda old for me, having Vieira here w/o being able to option him. I get it, he throws hard & is around the zone an acceptable amount of the time w/the fastball. But everything else is pretty severely lacking.

[Bulldogboy]

3 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

He is horrible managing his pitching staff, both starters and bullpen. He seems to not have a clue when to play a hot hand (Dunn vs. Ortiz is one of many examples) he is not consistent in his decision's, always select veteran players over the need to develop youngsters which seems to be in direct opposition to the GM…

I'm shocked that basically a gold glove defensive player who is a borderline all star who hits leadoff was pinch hit for just for kicks in a game you needed offense and nobody really was surprised. I wonder what the clubhouse is thinking. 

[BruisedCrew]

1 minute ago, BCF said:

The Brewers are without their top reliever, #2 and #4 starters, Uribe has struggled and in AAA they were without Yelich for multiple weeks and Mitchell all year. Yet they are 7 games over .500 

In part because many teams have multiple significant injuries.

[Brian]

4 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

He is horrible managing his pitching staff, both starters and bullpen. He seems to not have a clue when to play a hot hand (Dunn vs. Ortiz is one of many examples) he is not consistent in his decision's, always select veteran players over the need to develop youngsters which seems to be in direct opposition to the GM…

Starters are on a rotation so that makes no sense. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

He is horrible managing his pitching staff, both starters and bullpen. He seems to not have a clue when to play a hot hand (Dunn vs. Ortiz is one of many examples) he is not consistent in his decision's, always select veteran players over the need to develop youngsters which seems to be in direct opposition to the GM…

Yeah. And he played that damned Bauers again tonight.

[Brian]

Brewers current injury list, 1/2 the team.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/injuries/_/name/mil/milwaukee-brewers

 

[edfunderburk]

37 minutes ago, BCF said:

The Brewers are without their top reliever, #2 and #4 starters, Uribe has struggled and in AAA they were without Yelich for multiple weeks and Mitchell all year. Yet they are 7 games over .500 

In spite of Murphy’s terrible in game decisions 

[sveumrules]

43 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

I'm shocked that basically a gold glove defensive player who is a borderline all star who hits leadoff was pinch hit for just for kicks in a game you needed offense and nobody really was surprised. I wonder what the clubhouse is thinking. 

The Brewers were down 5-0 with a 2.8% Win Probability when Monasterio pinch hit for Turang against a lefty.

Andruw walked in both his plate appearances.

[shanedog19]

Have to think Black will be on the way back tomorrow.

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

The key is his development gets you closer to your goal than anything Jake Bauers does. Is Jake Bauers a fine guy to have around? Sure. Is this season about Chourio or Bauers. Definitely Chourio. 

My guess, especially with the Hoskins injury, is that Chourio has till Mitchell returns to turn it around. I think he's closer to figuring it out than many think. But he still has to show it. 

Honestly, Frelick probably deserves to be sent down more than Jackson right now. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, BCF said:

My god. Chourio is 20 years old.

FIFY. 

[BCF]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

My guess, especially with the Hoskins injury, is that Chourio has till Mitchell returns to turn it around. I think he's closer to figuring it out than many think. But he still has to show it. 

Honestly, Frelick probably deserves to be sent down more than Jackson right now. 

Frelick: .241 AVG, .316 OBP, .608 OPS

Chourio: .207 AVG, .254 OBP, .576 OPS

Bauers: .244 AVG, .326 OBP, .802 OPS

 

This sites love for Chourio is hilarious 

[Brian]

5 minutes ago, shanedog19 said:

Have to think Black will be on the way back tomorrow.

I bet it will be Owen Miller. He is batting .352 for the Sounds since he has been sent back down. Pretty Good

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, BCF said:

Frelick: .241 AVG, .316 OBP, .608 OPS

Chourio: .207 AVG, .254 OBP, .576 OPS

Bauers: .244 AVG, .326 OBP, .802 OPS

 

This sites love for Chourio is hilarious 

He's 20 years old, man with less than 120 ABs to his name...I never said anything about Bauers. You must think Wyatt Langford and Jackson Holliday suck, too, right? Or Corbin Carroll and Randy Arozarena for that matter. 

Also:

Frelick; -.3 fWAR, .265 xwOBA

Chourio: .1 fWAR, .269 xwOBA

Frelick has also had way more MLB ABs than Chourio. He's just as deserving, if not more, of being sent down. 

[BCF]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

He's 20 years old, man with less than 120 ABs to his name...I never said anything about Bauers

Also:

Frelick; -.3 fWAR, .265 xwOBA

Chourio: .1 fWAR, .269 xwOBA

Frelick is older and has had more MLB ABs than Chourio

Age doesn’t mean crap when you’re at the big league level. He either needs to perform or get sent back to AAA. He’s getting paid big money. Figure it out or go to AAA and get his confidence back 

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, BCF said:

Age doesn’t mean crap when you’re at the big league level. He either needs to perform or get sent back to AAA. He’s getting paid big money. Figure it out or go to AAA and get his confidence back 

Frelick is still probably more deserving of being sent down. He's sucked even more with the bat by xwOBA and doesn't have Chourio's secondary skills. 

I'm not saying Chourio shouldn't ever be sent down, but you've got $80 million reasons to give him as much leash as possible. Why my guess is until Mitchell returns. 

[BCF]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Frelick is still probably more deserving of being sent down. He's sucked even more with the bat by xwOBA and doesn't have Chourio's secondary skills. 

I'm not saying Chourio shouldn't ever be sent down, but you've got $80 million reasons to give him as much leash as possible. Why my guess is until Mitchell returns. 

Money should have nothing to do with whether he plays in the big leagues or not. You’re making an investment in him for the future not currently and sometimes players need a bit of time to develop yet 

[Brewcrew82]

10 minutes ago, BCF said:

Money should have nothing to do with whether he plays in the big leagues or not. You’re making an investment in him for the future not currently and sometimes players need a bit of time to develop yet 

He's getting paid big league money currently, too....Not the major part of his salary, but still quite a bit more than a rookie contract/the major league minimum. 

You have to give him more time against big league pitching, something that's simply not replicable in AAA. It's not like we any better options right now either, especially with Hoskins likely to go on the IL. He's already shown one major sign of adjustment as his K% has dovetailed to 10% over the last few weeks. Now, he's gotta work to better counts and start swinging at drivable pitches and driving the ball. And he'll probably have until Mitchell returns to do so. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

30 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

My guess, especially with the Hoskins injury, is that Chourio has till Mitchell returns to turn it around. I think he's closer to figuring it out than many think. But he still has to show it. 

 

I was thinking the same thing. While Chourio was sitting I was assuming there were specific aspects to his hit tool that were being worked on, and he'd eventually return to at least a semi-regular role. It looks like that happened a few games ago. What I'm seeing since then is better contact, but not a whole lot of balls on the barrel. Looks to me like a lot of swings you'd usually see if the count was 0-2 or 1-2, even when he isn't behind in the count. It appears the pitchers are always one step ahead of him regarding pitch selection & location, which shouldn't be surprising considering he's 20. He hasn't looked terrible but the confidence that comes with experience & smart anticipation just hasn't caught up with the ability yet.

If Mitchell is ready to return on or around June 1 that's a reasonable target date.

[Bulldogboy]

7 hours ago, sveumrules said:

The Brewers were down 5-0 with a 2.8% Win Probability when Monasterio pinch hit for Turang against a lefty.

Andruw walked in both his plate appearances.

So? As you saw they almost won the game and your borderline all star was out. So you're saying Murphy the great manager he is went to Turang and explained we aren't winning this game so I'm going to pack it in and let Andrew hit here? I doubt  it. Turang has been in a little mini slump since moving up in lineup. Does he see it as manager doubt or we quit? That's what we need to watch for.

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

So? As you saw they almost won the game.

Yes, they almost won the game.

A contributing factor to them almost winning the game was Monasterio walking in both his PAs. His +.126 WPA was literally the highest on the team last night.

The move wasn’t made “just for kicks”, it was made because Murph thought Monasterio pinch hitting for Turang in that spot gave them their best chance to come back in the game…and he was right.

If Turang can’t handle being pinch hit for late in a blowout, well that sounds like he just needs to put on the Big Boy Pants ™