Brewers (Rodriguez) vs Angels (Soriano): 6/17/24, 8:38pm

[kevinisaname]

The wrong part of the lineup was up. That's a problem. I feel like we should have won this game, just made too many silly mistakes. And the K-a-thon when we had runners at 2nd and 3rd with no outs was killer. Now we need Tobias to keep pitching out of his mind.

[Bulldogboy]

I remember when Hoskins said he was too good to go to Appleton to get some ab when he was injured. Tells you alot.

[AKCheesehead]

Well that’s the end of that. Get em tomorrow. 

[shanedog19]

Garbage game. We are just plain awful with RISP.

[Bulldogboy]

Cardinals are playing well. Brewers need to keep winning. 

[TURBO]

9 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

I remember when Hoskins said he was too good to go to Appleton to get some ab when he was injured. Tells you alot.

link?

[Bulldogboy]

28 minutes ago, TURBO said:

link?

He was given the option and as a veteran he had the right to refuse and he did. He mentioned Yelich didn't need any so he didn't think he did either. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

If you want to parse the game into four categories--pitching, defense, hitting & baserunning--this may be the only game of the season where we were this poor in all four. Rodriguez; I'm glad we have him. But both his starts were eerily similar. He's OK to good for 7 or 8 or 9 hitters then things fall apart. It's too bad they need him to be up here right now. It'll get better, eventually.

Perkins has a bad day, which helps to put us at 42-30. We're 41-31 if not for his performance Sunday (not just his play to end the game but the one to close out the 8th too). He's an elite defender who is streaky at best w/the bat, usually closer to mediocre. With him in CF, that's our best team given our options. Unfortunately he has to play both ways & hit too; this isn't football. People need to understand that & deal with it. 

Since the better players should shoulder a little more of the burden I'll pick on Yelich. Yesterday he showed real smarts, trust & a "move the line" mentality in two late & very important ABs. Tonight he swings at a 3-0 pitch that he couldn't even pull. Pop fly to left. Then he swings 2-0 leading off an inning. Again, pop fly to left. I don't know if it was a lack of intensity or no respect for Plesac or what, but the game was in Anaheim & his brain was in Encino. 

With the RISP thing, it isn't easy to do this but I believe your best mindset is simply don't change your approach. Sanchez, just a bad AB. Got ahead then Ks on a breaking ball that splits the plate. Perkins & Turang (especially Turang), I'm confident they at least put the bat on the ball & possibly even walk if they're leading off the inning & see the same pitches. Both of them were so obsessed with "gotta put the ball in play" that any pitcher with a brain & some without will just keep throwing splitters ankle high. The team was great early on in these situations. Struggling at some point was inevitable.

One little crumb: Peguero & Milner got off the deck a little & looked good.

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

He was given the option and as a veteran he had the right to refuse and he did. He mentioned Yelich didn't need any so he didn't think he did either. 

So he didn't say he was "too good to go to Appleton". Thanks.

Dude, they're playing at a level that would leave a lot of teams 3-7 or 2-8 in the last ten. They're 6-4. Hoskins looks bad at the plate recently. If you don't think he can turn it around, go for it. You might be right. I tend to think baseball isn't a game where you make definitive judgements in the middle of June, especially when someone has missed 3 or 4 weeks or whatever it was. Had Mitchell not gotten hurt Perkins would be most likely a 5th OF. If Wiemer had done anything substantial in March, Perkins might be running down flies in Indianapolis, Gwinnett & Memphis. And if Black hasn't been a haunted house at 3 different positions, maybe Bauers isn't here. Or maybe he is, but Dunn isn't.

Despite the frustrations, I'm enjoying seeing where they are after 72, considering the obstacles.

 

[brewcrewdue80]

Brewers are 5 for 65 with RISP going back to 6th inning in 2nd game vs Detroit. 1 for 13. When reduced. Did Ben Sheets have a higher career BA than this rate? This is stretch in last 9 games.

Definitely agree Chourio needs to play starting games more.  He's crept up the avg. Let him see about continuing this trend.

 

Looked it up. The Brewers need to get a hit in their next risp chance or else they are in a 10 game stretch  batting worse than him.

[Bulldogboy]

7 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

So he didn't say he was "too good to go to Appleton". Thanks.

Dude, they're playing at a level that would leave a lot of teams 3-7 or 2-8 in the last ten. They're 6-4. Hoskins looks bad at the plate recently. If you don't think he can turn it around, go for it. You might be right. I tend to think baseball isn't a game where you make definitive judgements in the middle of June, especially when someone has missed 3 or 4 weeks or whatever it was. Had Mitchell not gotten hurt Perkins would be most likely a 5th OF. If Wiemer had done anything substantial in March, Perkins might be running down flies in Indianapolis, Gwinnett & Memphis. And if Black hasn't been a haunted house at 3 different positions, maybe Bauers isn't here. Or maybe he is, but Dunn isn't.

Despite the frustrations, I'm enjoying seeing where they are after 72, considering the obstacles.

 

He said I don't need any practice ab In live games. Well why not? It's not like you're far from home. It's not like you were good before you got hurt. Why should the mlb team not be able to say you missed a month go get ready to anyone? What is he hitting since he came back? 😳 

[sveumrules]

23 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

It's not like you were good before you got hurt.

Hoskins was hitting 233/340/474 (131 wRC+) before the hamstring.

31% better than average is pretty good.

[Brian]

9 hours ago, shanedog19 said:

Garbage game. We are just plain awful with RISP.

It sure was awful, I will chalk that one up to jet lag. So no excuses tonight. 

[shanedog19]

I would have to think a Mitchell return is imminent. I am looking forward to a starting outfield of Chourio, Mitchell, and Frelick, with Yelich DH’ing. Perkins has been fun but is nothing more than a part time player in my opinion.

[TURBO]

We are at least a year away, probably 2,  from Yelich getting most of his at bats at DH.

When Mitchell returns, we can probably hope for Yelich, Mitchell, Chourio most days, but then again, until Murphy can get himself to commit to Chourio playing every day, it's anyone's guess how the outfield time will get divvied up on a daily basis. 

[Outlander]

24 minutes ago, shanedog19 said:

I would have to think a Mitchell return is imminent. I am looking forward to a starting outfield of Chourio, Mitchell, and Frelick, with Yelich DH’ing. Perkins has been fun but is nothing more than a part time player in my opinion.

Perkins is better than Frelick, probably needs to go to AAA once Mitchell is back.

[sveumrules]

26 minutes ago, shanedog19 said:

I would have to think a Mitchell return is imminent. I am looking forward to a starting outfield of Chourio, Mitchell, and Frelick, with Yelich DH’ing. Perkins has been fun but is nothing more than a part time player in my opinion.

Only three games (14 PAs) but Mitchell is hitting 154/214/231 in Nashville so far.

Among 85 OF with at least 900 innings in the field since last year Perkins comes in 5th in DRS (+17) and 6th in OAA (+14).

Put together being one of the best defensive outfielders in MLB with a 93 wRC+ and +2.6 runs on the bases and Blake’s 2.5 WAR ranks 51st among 125 outfielders with at least 400 PA since last year.

[shanedog19]

32 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Only three games (14 PAs) but Mitchell is hitting 154/214/231 in Nashville so far.

Among 85 OF with at least 900 innings in the field since last year Perkins comes in 5th in DRS (+17) and 6th in OAA (+14).

Put together being one of the best defensive outfielders in MLB with a 93 wRC+ and +2.6 runs on the bases and Blake’s 2.5 WAR ranks 51st among 125 outfielders with at least 400 PA since last year.

It will certainly be interesting to see how the team handles Mitchell’s return. It would be nice if Yelich could play first base to mitigate the black hole that position has been for the organization for many years, but I just don’t see it happening.

[Brian]

1 hour ago, TURBO said:

We are at least a year away, probably 2,  from Yelich getting most of his at bats at DH.

When Mitchell returns, we can probably hope for Yelich, Mitchell, Chourio most days, but then again, until Murphy can get himself to commit to Chourio playing every day, it's anyone's guess how the outfield time will get divvied up on a daily basis. 

https://www.mlb.com/news/players-with-the-most-162-game-seasons

[TURBO]

17 minutes ago, Brian said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/players-with-the-most-162-game-seasons

Do you just post random articles, out of context with what is being talked about, on purpose?  :)

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

He said I don't need any practice ab In live games. Well why not? It's not like you're far from home. It's not like you were good before you got hurt. Why should the mlb team not be able to say you missed a month go get ready to anyone? What is he hitting since he came back? 😳 

Plenty of guys come off the IL & return w/o a rehab stint. Plenty do the opposite. He felt playing a few games vs high-A pitching wasn't going to do anything to help him get ready. The End.

I'd be perfectly fine with a team being able to order someone to go take some rehab swings if they felt it's for the best. But in these days of the tail wagging the dog, that might be counter-productive. At the end of the day, it's a long season & we just need this to play out. Had Rodriguez been just a little better yesterday, had a slow roller at 1B not been botched, had we not made two bad baserunning plays within the stretch of a minute or two, had Yelich not thrown away two favorable counts, we probably would've won. Hoskins hasn't been hitting but he had nothing to do with any of that. If he IS washed up, the day/time that proves it hasn't gotten here yet.

 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, shanedog19 said:

It will certainly be interesting to see how the team handles Mitchell’s return. It would be nice if Yelich could play first base to mitigate the black hole that position has been for the organization for many years, but I just don’t see it happening.

A lot of people seem to be assuming Mitchell is definitely coming back to Milwaukee. I think there's a decent chance he does at some point, but I don't think it's imminent. And if he doesn't improve on the high K rate he ain't solving anything.

[Jim French Stepstool]

3 hours ago, TURBO said:

We are at least a year away, probably 2,  from Yelich getting most of his at bats at DH.

When Mitchell returns, we can probably hope for Yelich, Mitchell, Chourio most days, but then again, until Murphy can get himself to commit to Chourio playing every day, it's anyone's guess how the outfield time will get divvied up on a daily basis. 

 Chourio has been swinging the bat better, everyone can agree with that. But he played eight games in a row before sitting last night. I mean, he HAS been playing regularly. Let's see what Murphy does moving forward. You're right, it's tough to predict how this gets parsed out.

Plus, I know he's been a whipping boy on here, and I think it's curious how he doesn't barrel up more balls, but Frelick is 9 for his last 30. Don't know where his ceiling lies as he's still figuring things out but as a bottom-third-of-the-order guy he hasn't been terrible.

[shanedog19]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

A lot of people seem to be assuming Mitchell is definitely coming back to Milwaukee. I think there's a decent chance he does at some point, but I don't think it's imminent. And if he doesn't improve on the high K rate he ain't solving anything.

I think Murphy said Mitchell would need around 30 abs in the minors to get ready. He has to be nearing that number already. I say he’s back this weekend against the Padres and should be starting.