Brewers acquire Dallas Keuchel

[Playing Catch]

What would constitute "going for it," bigred?

Also, if you would acknowledge that gaslighting can be unintentional, than I think many of us here are unintentionally contributing to the psychological ruse,  because you're crazy.

[bigred]

8 minutes ago, Brian said:

The trade deadline is still 6 weeks away. So we have 6 more weeks to do something. Trust me this is not going to be our only move. 

Hopefully you're right. It better be a meaningful move though, because simply getting to the playoffs, isn't enough for me, as a fan. To me, that's called being content with being slightly above mediocre, with no REAL chance of winning it all. 

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, bigred said:

Simply getting to the playoffs isn't enough for me, if they have no intentions to make a move and help them over the top, to have a real chance of winning it all. Sue me. Lol 

I'll try again as there may have been too many questions.

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Ok...so which is it, you fundamentally disagree with their philosophy, or you believe they've lied about it?

 

[LouisEly]

5 minutes ago, bigred said:

My point is division titles are great, trying to stay competitive is great, but simply getting to the playoffs isn't so great, when it's apparent they have no intentions of actually making a move or 2 to help get us over the top.

We don't know that yet.  The trade deadline isn't over. 

If you look back in history, very few big trades are made before the All-Star break.  Even fewer now, because with the expanded playoffs a lot more teams are in contention.  There's not a lot of sellers right now.  Economics, low supply raises prices.

Here's an analogy - you're going to have twins and you know you'll probably need to buy a house.  But it's not peak selling season yet, few homes are on the market and thus there are few that you like and they're asking over market for them.  But you know that if you wait a month, there will be more for sale and you're more likely to get what you want and for, say, $100K less.  Logic says to rent for another month, right?

Let's hold off and see what happens.  It worked today - you don't need to win 11-1, you just need to score one more run than the other team.  And they did just that.

[bigred]

5 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I'll try again as there may have been too many questions.

 

I understand the philosophy, but disagree they have any intention of actually trying to win it all, which they HAVE told our fan base many times before. Lol SMDH

[bigred]

9 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

We don't know that yet.  The trade deadline isn't over. 

If you look back in history, very few big trades are made before the All-Star break.  Even fewer now, because with the expanded playoffs a lot more teams are in contention.  There's not a lot of sellers right now.  Economics, low supply raises prices.

Here's an analogy - you're going to have twins and you know you'll probably need to buy a house.  But it's not peak selling season yet, few homes are on the market and thus there are few that you like and they're asking over market for them.  But you know that if you wait a month, there will be more for sale and you're more likely to get what you want and for, say, $100K less.  Logic says to rent for another month, right?

Let's hold off and see what happens.  It worked today - you don't need to win 11-1, you just need to score one more run than the other team.  And they did just that.

I completely understand. All I'm saying, is simply getting to the playoffs, without having intentions of occasionally making a meaningful move or 2 to help give them a real chance to win the title, isn't enough for me. Nor should it be, for any true fan. That would be the equivalent of spinning the tires, with no REAL chance of going anywhere. Lol

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, bigred said:

I understand the philosophy, but disagree they have any intention of actually trying to win it all, which they HAVE told our fan base many times before. Lol SMDH

Ok...I guess I got confused when you were saying the Front Office was "gaslighting" everyone and they'd actually said they were going to make these moves like the large market teams.

 

If the sum total of your point is, "I want them to win," then I'm not sure anyone's arguing. 

It seems to be, 'I want them to win...and I don't care what that means for the future, I want them to make a trade to win right now,' and that was the take I had a problem with for a multitude of reasons, namely, that's how you end up back as a 60-70 win team and you don't guarantee yourself anything. 

[Playing Catch]

I disagree that the "bites of the apple" approach isn't a legitimate path toward winning a world series.

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, bigred said:

I completely understand. All I'm saying, is simply getting to the playoffs, without having intentions of occasionally making a meaningful move or 2 to help give them a real chance to win the title, isn't enough for me. Nor should it be, for any true fan. 

Your in panic mode right now, R-E-L-A-X 

[tmwiese55]

3 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

I disagree that the "bites of the apple" approach isn't a legitimate path toward winning a world series.

They are doing the Cardinals model, which recently won two WS.     What's being missed here is a fundamental misunderstanding of baseball playoffs and how fluky they are.   Essentially, if we sunk our teeth in the last 2-3 years with those ace pitchers we would've moved our WS chances from the like 10% chance they had up to like 12% (random numbers for examples) while turning their chances now and over the next several years to 0 because they wouldn't be making the playoffs. 

[bigred]

9 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Ok...I guess I got confused when you were saying the Front Office was "gaslighting" everyone and they'd actually said they were going to make these moves like the large market teams.

 

If the sum total of your point is, "I want them to win," then I'm not sure anyone's arguing. 

It seems to be, 'I want them to win...and I don't care what that means for the future, I want them to make a trade to win right now,' and that was the take I had a problem with for a multitude of reasons, namely, that's how you end up back as a 60-70 win team and you don't guarantee yourself anything. 

I stand by my gaslighting comment. They definitely have done that to our fan base on multiple occasions. You disagree. So be it. 

[bigred]

9 minutes ago, Brian said:

Your in panic mode right now, R-E-L-A-X 

I'm not in panic mode at all really. Lol. Not even a little, because unfortunately I'm getting used to them being good enough to get to the playoffs most years, while also never attempt to make a trade to help them ACTUALLY compete with the big boys IN those said playoffs. Lol simply getting to the playoffs shouldn't be "good enough" for any true fan. Imo. It was friggin awesome the first few years, but as a fan base now, we have every right to demand more. Or is this going to be our apex? 

[bigred]

35 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

What would constitute "going for it," bigred?

Also, if you would acknowledge that gaslighting can be unintentional, than I think many of us here are unintentionally contributing to the psychological ruse,  because you're crazy.

Having a different opinion is "crazy"? Ummm....yeah, ok then. Lol

[bigred]

37 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

What would constitute "going for it," bigred?

Also, if you would acknowledge that gaslighting can be unintentional, than I think many of us here are unintentionally contributing to the psychological ruse,  because you're crazy.

Yes, it can be unintentional, but only the first time it happens. After that, fans need to be honest with themselves, and admit that when we're told the same thing every year to "calm" the fans, that's called a pattern of gaslighting. Patterns aren't unintentional when it's year in year out, without actually following through once in a while. 

[Playing Catch]

With all the LOLs being directed, I'm beginning to feel like I'M the crazy one.

[homer]

2 hours ago, bigred said:

Sigh, I just can't believe how many Brewer fan like to conveniently forget things the organization has said several times, for several years now, since they've been winning games? Does this fan base want a WS win, or not? They don't do what's necessary to get over the top. How do we usually do when they play the Dodgers, Phillies, etc? When's the last time they won a series against them? I get it, you disagree. Oh well, life goes on. 

They took 2/3 against the Phillies in July of last year. They took 2/3 against the Phillies in Sept of last year.

[Oxy]

Hey @bigred, are you related to @jefferyleonard?

[AdvantageSchneider]

1 hour ago, bigred said:

Hopefully you're right. It better be a meaningful move though, because simply getting to the playoffs, isn't enough for me, as a fan. To me, that's called being content with being slightly above mediocre, with no REAL chance of winning it all. 

The Brewers current odds to win the WS are between +2200 and +3000 depending on where you look.

Last year at about the same time the Rangers were +1300 while the Dbacks were +2800.  That seems like a realistic chance of winning the WS to me.

If you are hoping the Brewers will someday be the prohibitive favorites to win the WS I think you should pick another team or another sport to root for.

[Redd Vencher]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

On the baseball field, in your opinion exactly what has Trevor Bauer been doing that tells you he couldn't still be a really good starting pitcher at the MLB level at 33 yrs old and in seemingly good health?  It's not the Phillies, but he did just strike out 19 guys over 8.2 IP in his last start south of the border. 

Had he not been suspended by MLB in 2021, Bauer's last MLB partial season with the Dodgers when he was sporting a 2.59 ERA, Corbin Burnes may not have a Cy Young and Bauer could have at least two in the last 4 mlb seasons.

 

Bauer had a FIP north of 4 and an xFIP in a full run worse than his ERA in 2021. He wasn't a top 25 pitcher in the 2nd best professional baseball league last year, (Foster Griffin put similar numbers) and bragging about the success in a sub AA quality league for a former major leaguer isn't impressive.

[Oxy]

1 hour ago, bigred said:

I'm not in panic mode at all really. Lol. Not even a little, because unfortunately I'm getting used to them being good enough to get to the playoffs most years, while also never attempt to make a trade to help them ACTUALLY compete with the big boys IN those said playoffs. Lol simply getting to the playoffs shouldn't be "good enough" for any true fan. Imo. It was friggin awesome the first few years, but as a fan base now, we have every right to demand more. Or is this going to be our apex? 

Please list all the full season World Series Championships THIS CENTURY from these traditionally "big boy" or recent "go for it", "all-in", "sink-your-teeth-in" franchises:

New York Yankees, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, New York Mets.

[Oxy]

59 minutes ago, bigred said:

Yes, it can be unintentional, but only the first time it happens. After that, fans need to be honest with themselves, and admit that when we're told the same thing every year to "calm" the fans, that's called a pattern of gaslighting. Patterns aren't unintentional when it's year in year out, without actually following through once in a while. 

The organization--and many fans--consider perennially competing and often winning division titles as fulfilling the frequent proclamations of the front office as trying to compete.  They HAVE, in fact, followed through nearly every single year on their proclaimed intentions.  That's the way many of us see it.  That obviously isn't the way you see it, because you would rather them try big one year and be bad for 5 years--whether that one year they go for it works out or not (and it probably won't).

[Team Canada]

3 hours ago, bigred said:

Lol SMDH

All the LOL's are unnecessary, but whatever. But you're pretty much the only person who ends a number of your posts with SMDH, which is just internet shorthand for "you guys are stupid and I can't believe you disagree with me." Just leave out the condescension and debate the issue.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, bigred said:

I stand by my gaslighting comment. They definitely have done that to our fan base on multiple occasions. You disagree. So be it. 

Right...but you don't want to actually show me or give me an example, because...just no, right?

[bigred]

2 hours ago, Oxy said:

The organization--and many fans--consider perennially competing and often winning division titles as fulfilling the frequent proclamations of the front office as trying to compete.  They HAVE, in fact, followed through nearly every single year on their proclaimed intentions.  That's the way many of us see it.  That obviously isn't the way you see it, because you would rather them try big one year and be bad for 5 years--whether that one year they go for it works out or not (and it probably won't).

You're saying that you don't remember Attanasio claiming several times since he bought the team, that their intentions are to "bring a championship to Milwaukee"? Really? If so, I won't waste my time with you reality deniers any longer. Lol SMDH He has definitely told our fan base that many times, but has failed to do what's necessary to actually accomplish that. 

[Scooterfletcher]

Bigred, respectfully you need to realize that Milwaukee can win a ws the way they run things.   But we will need timely hitting and bigger than expected performances from a Rae or Bryce Wilson to do so .   And that absolutely can happen.