2024-25 Offseason Ideas

[Brewcrew82]

40 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Think Bregman gets his mega contract or any chance he'd need a Chapman/Hoskins/Snell type of thing?   

He hasn't been thaaaat great of a hitter that I'd want to be paying him an 8 year 200 mil deal as he enters his 30s but my guess is he'll get something close to so that he doesn't need a 1-3 year options filled prove it deal either that we could get involved in

Well, Boras is his agent so it's possible we see a redux of last offseason (and with Correa) where he holds out for the big contract and then is forced to sign a short term deal after no one caves on the outrageous demands. In that situation, the Brewers could work their way in, and it's not like the Brewers haven't agreed to a similar deal recently with Boras for Hoskins. 

Could easily see Boras setting a value based more on the MVP caliber player Bregman was from 2018-2019 which no one is going to pay because Bregman isn't that player anymore. 

[nate82]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

Boeve looks like a downgrade defensively, but that probably has a smaller impact at 2B.  His bat on the other hand would be really nice if he can approach his MiLB numbers at the MLB level. 

I am not sure Boeve is a player you want to skip AAA with.  I mean it is possible if he shows up in ST and forces the Brewers hands but I think there would be a lot of growing pains with Boeve. 

 

39 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Think Bregman gets his mega contract or any chance he'd need a Chapman/Hoskins/Snell type of thing?   

I wouldn't give Bregman a long term deal.  I don't believe he would be worth it.  Let someone like the Cubs sign him. 

I think Suarez from the Dbacks will become available as I think they will try and resign Walker who would cost annually about the same as Suarez somewhere around $13mm a season.  Suarez has a $15mm team option which the Dbacks will trigger.  I think Suarez gets traded and Lawlar starts the season out as their everyday 3B. 

What would it take to get Suarez from the Dbacks?  I am not sure he has a $15mm option for 2025 but is a FA after.  So that is just one years worth of value so I don't think he would cost a top 50 prospect but maybe a teams 10-15 ranked prospect like Burke, Bitonti or Lara types and then a lottery ticket.  I don't think the Brewers would pay that and instead just go with someone internal. 

[tmwiese55]

We all know we can't sign Bregman to a long term and del and wouldn't want to.  It was a question if he's gonna get that elsewhere or not? If not then we could get involved in the Hoskins/Chapman style 1-3 year things.   If so he'd fit in pretty well for our need.     My guess is someone will give him a legit contract though but was seeing what more informed people might think on it

[sveumrules]

Bregman is red flag central for me.

137 wRC+ in 2022, to 126 wRC+ in 2023, to 116 wRC+ this year.

His power is almost entirely a product of the short LF porch in Houston.

7.0 BB% this year compared to 13.0% the last two years and 11.9% for his career.

Will be 31 on Opening Day next year.

[Scooterfletcher]

Id be interested in Jorge Polanco if the Mariners elect against bringing him back next year.   I think he’d bounce back really well in Milwaukee .   Turang goes to SS (or maybe Polanco can play 3B if we decide we want Ortiz moving to SS instead).  A few posters last off season were debating trade ideas with the twins to bring him here for this season.   Thoughts on maybe targeting Polanco this off season?  
 

[sveumrules]

15 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Id be interested in Jorge Polanco if the Mariners elect against bringing him back next year.   I think he’d bounce back really well in Milwaukee .   Turang goes to SS (or maybe Polanco can play 3B if we decide we want Ortiz moving to SS instead).  A few posters last off season were debating trade ideas with the twins to bring him here for this season.   Thoughts on maybe targeting Polanco this off season?  
 

- 2 DRS this year at 2B is maybe live-with-able if the bat bounces back, but if the Brewers view his defense closer to the -8 FRV he has posted this year at 2B (-20 FRV for his career there) its probably a no go from the start.

[jay87shot]

On 9/27/2024 at 1:01 PM, CheezWizHed said:

I see a lot of trade ideas to replace Adames next year (including 3B or 2B options and sliding Ortiz/Turang to SS), but what about internal options?

Boeve looks like a downgrade defensively, but that probably has a smaller impact at 2B.  His bat on the other hand would be really nice if he can approach his MiLB numbers at the MLB level. 

We have some internal candidates in Collins, Mone, Miller, and Dunn but none have any level of trust built up. The group of Adams, Wilken, Boeve, and Bitonti are a bit to far away or have flaws to work out. The best internal option is probably Sal Frelick at 3B or 2B but who knows where he is defensively. On top of that replacing his defense in the OF with Yeli would be a downgrade of sorts unless he turns out to be a +10 runs saved IF which is probably a stretch.

[jay87shot]

On 9/28/2024 at 2:16 PM, Scooterfletcher said:

Id be interested in Jorge Polanco if the Mariners elect against bringing him back next year.   I think he’d bounce back really well in Milwaukee .   Turang goes to SS (or maybe Polanco can play 3B if we decide we want Ortiz moving to SS instead).  A few posters last off season were debating trade ideas with the twins to bring him here for this season.   Thoughts on maybe targeting Polanco this off season?  
 

I doubt the M's pick up his option (12 mill), his offense was poor .213/.296/.355 with a higher K rate than his norm but he did manage a 1.2 WAR. If he is under 5 million or so I would be fine with him probably more so than Yoan Moncada or a more expensive Glayber Torres. He wouldn't be my 1st option but offers the upside that our front office looks for. At 31, it isn't like his career is over and a rebound isn't out of the picture.

[Scooterfletcher]

Yeah an offseason hitter wise featuring losing Adames but getting the comp pick, adding Goldschmidt, and adding one of Moncada/Polanco would be pretty shrewd imo.   

[wntrtxn21]

2 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Yeah an offseason hitter wise featuring losing Adames but getting the comp pick, adding Goldschmidt, and adding one of Moncada/Polanco would be pretty shrewd imo.   

The Brewers are probably going to DH Yeli quite a bit, so unless Hoskins opts out, I don't see any way the Crew adds Goldschmidt. If Hoskins leaves, Walker is the one I'd target. I don't see spending money on Polanco because Dunn could hit .213/.286. Moncada's bat could help, but he is a ticking time bomb with his extensive history of injuries. I'd rather see them work something out for Miranda, then use Williams, Black, Rodriguez, etc... for a power hitting LF/RF.

[Scooterfletcher]

1 hour ago, wntrtxn21 said:

The Brewers are probably going to DH Yeli quite a bit, so unless Hoskins opts out, I don't see any way the Crew adds Goldschmidt. If Hoskins leaves, Walker is the one I'd target. I don't see spending money on Polanco because Dunn could hit .213/.286. Moncada's bat could help, but he is a ticking time bomb with his extensive history of injuries. I'd rather see them work something out for Miranda, then use Williams, Black, Rodriguez, etc... for a power hitting LF/RF.

If we sign Goldschmidt, it makes sense still to have essentially a rotation of 2 of 3 playing at DH/1B/Lf.   Maybe Yelich only plays 1/2 games a week in left but there is a fit for all three I believe.

Polanco and Moncada are both great options at what they will cost and I feel strongly that they’d succeed in the Milwaukee environment.

[BrewerFan]

On 9/27/2024 at 12:01 PM, CheezWizHed said:

I see a lot of trade ideas to replace Adames next year (including 3B or 2B options and sliding Ortiz/Turang to SS), but what about internal options?

Boeve looks like a downgrade defensively, but that probably has a smaller impact at 2B.  His bat on the other hand would be really nice if he can approach his MiLB numbers at the MLB level. 

Eh, if you're going to jump Boeve to the front of the line...out of necessity, why not just throw Black out there? At least early on, let Boeve get some PT in AAA. But that's a big jump.

Or...perhaps you go back to Frelick. It was a bit weird how insistent Murphy was that we'd be surprised by how much Frelick would play in the IF, but them Mitchell gets hurt immediately, comes back, Yelich gets hurt. So I think they were serious about Frelick playing some IF.

 

Add in the other internal options or external options who are cheap and I think that's the most likely outcome. 

Maybe someone like Jose Iglesias. He is coming off a 3 WAR season, so...probably unlikely, but he could play 2B or 3B. I've seen the arguments that it has to be a 3B because Ortiz is the future SS. I've stated why I don't agree it has to be, the argument being Ortiz has the stronger arm based on Baseball Savant, but go around and look at guys who've plays the left side and their velocity on throws vs when they play 2B. 2B the only time you're really putting everything on it is when you're fielding a ball on a Double Play or behind the bag. You never get to field a bullet behind the bag and step into it. 

Point is, I think Turang OR Ortiz would be great SS. So either position...

 

I think if you trade Williams, you'll get prospects. 
-I don't think a Bitonti is going anywhere. There's a group that I think only gets traded for a star and he's at the bottom of that list(most of the top 10, Boeve/Black are more likely than Bitonti, Made, Letson, Yophery or guys like that). 

-I don't think you'll fit Goldy into the payroll even with Hoskins. He's the type who, if he's going to become a part-time player or rotate between 1B/DH and then maybe sitting, he'll be very selective. Skeptical Milwaukee would be on the list.

Ideally, 1 year Moncada 10M with TO for 20M with 3M buyout?

 

If there was a time to push that payroll up a bit, it'd be next year. It's on the Brewers to go out and give the Brewers a reason to with a good run here...hopefully generate a few million in additional revenue and give the owners a reason to believe they're one player away from...repeating perhaps?

[CheezWizHed]

7 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Eh, if you're going to jump Boeve to the front of the line...out of necessity, why not just throw Black out there? At least early on, let Boeve get some PT in AAA. But that's a big jump.

Or...perhaps you go back to Frelick. It was a bit weird how insistent Murphy was that we'd be surprised by how much Frelick would play in the IF, but them Mitchell gets hurt immediately, comes back, Yelich gets hurt. So I think they were serious about Frelick playing some IF.

 

Add in the other internal options or external options who are cheap and I think that's the most likely outcome. 

Maybe someone like Jose Iglesias. He is coming off a 3 WAR season, so...probably unlikely, but he could play 2B or 3B. I've seen the arguments that it has to be a 3B because Ortiz is the future SS. I've stated why I don't agree it has to be, the argument being Ortiz has the stronger arm based on Baseball Savant, but go around and look at guys who've plays the left side and their velocity on throws vs when they play 2B. 2B the only time you're really putting everything on it is when you're fielding a ball on a Double Play or behind the bag. You never get to field a bullet behind the bag and step into it. 

Point is, I think Turang OR Ortiz would be great SS. So either position...

 

I think if you trade Williams, you'll get prospects. 
-I don't think a Bitonti is going anywhere. There's a group that I think only gets traded for a star and he's at the bottom of that list(most of the top 10, Boeve/Black are more likely than Bitonti, Made, Letson, Yophery or guys like that). 

-I don't think you'll fit Goldy into the payroll even with Hoskins. He's the type who, if he's going to become a part-time player or rotate between 1B/DH and then maybe sitting, he'll be very selective. Skeptical Milwaukee would be on the list.

Ideally, 1 year Moncada 10M with TO for 20M with 3M buyout?

 

If there was a time to push that payroll up a bit, it'd be next year. It's on the Brewers to go out and give the Brewers a reason to with a good run here...hopefully generate a few million in additional revenue and give the owners a reason to believe they're one player away from...repeating perhaps?

For some reason, I was thinking Boeve split between AA and AAA this year, but it was A+/AA instead.  So yes, probably tasting AAA first.  Boeve and Black probably are a lot the same (offensive players without great D)...except Boeve is actually playing 2B.  

Black... I'm not sure what to think about him.  I see people still wanting him on the playoff roster despite the fact he has been bad at the MLB level all year.  He probably should get a longer look, but I'm getting a major Hiura vibe from him. 😞

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

For some reason, I was thinking Boeve split between AA and AAA this year, but it was A+/AA instead.  So yes, probably tasting AAA first.  Boeve and Black probably are a lot the same (offensive players without great D)...except Boeve is actually playing 2B.  

Black... I'm not sure what to think about him.  I see people still wanting him on the playoff roster despite the fact he has been bad at the MLB level all year.  He probably should get a longer look, but I'm getting a major Hiura vibe from him. 😞

I think Black will make a really good OF but it just doesn't seem like the IF defense is consistent enough to just hand over a position. If we had more of an opening at DH I think an argument could be made for him to be a utility guy at 1B, 2B, 3B, OF and DH. I am really leaning towards trading him towards a team in need of a young OF as the start of a trade for a high end pitcher. 

[jay87shot]

What about adding Jordan Montgomery to a minimal deal this offseason? I know we have plenty of lefties to be 5/6 starters or long men but Montgomery was to cosistent for to long for me to think he is just done because he missed spring training and was rushed back. Like a 1/3 million dollar deal with a couple ballooning team options could be a solid deal. I would expect our staff to get his mph back especially if he is a long man.

[Redd Vencher]

On 10/1/2024 at 1:21 PM, jay87shot said:

What about adding Jordan Montgomery to a minimal deal this offseason? I know we have plenty of lefties to be 5/6 starters or long men but Montgomery was to cosistent for to long for me to think he is just done because he missed spring training and was rushed back. Like a 1/3 million dollar deal with a couple ballooning team options could be a solid deal. I would expect our staff to get his mph back especially if he is a long man.

Jordan Montgomery isn't opting out of his contract for 2025. (1 year $25 M)

[Devinep]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:36 AM, jay87shot said:

I think Black will make a really good OF but it just doesn't seem like the IF defense is consistent enough to just hand over a position. If we had more of an opening at DH I think an argument could be made for him to be a utility guy at 1B, 2B, 3B, OF and DH. I am really leaning towards trading him towards a team in need of a young OF as the start of a trade for a high end pitcher. 

I personally would like to get Brandon Lowe from Tampa Baybin exchange for Tyler Black. 

[Scooterfletcher]

20 minutes ago, Devinep said:

I personally would like to get Brandon Lowe from Tampa Baybin exchange for Tyler Black. 

Rather have Black fail here than deal him this soon.  Get him to an acceptable below average defense level to rove a few positions off the bench.

[Harold Hutchison]

On 10/1/2024 at 2:21 PM, jay87shot said:

What about adding Jordan Montgomery to a minimal deal this offseason? I know we have plenty of lefties to be 5/6 starters or long men but Montgomery was to cosistent for to long for me to think he is just done because he missed spring training and was rushed back. Like a 1/3 million dollar deal with a couple ballooning team options could be a solid deal. I would expect our staff to get his mph back especially if he is a long man.

Montgomery won't pass up the player option, but the Crew is in the same spot with Rhys Hoskins. Maybe they could deal Hoskins to the D-Backs for Montgomery and Adrian Del Castillo?

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, Harold Hutchison said:

Montgomery won't pass up the player option, but the Crew is in the same spot with Rhys Hoskins. Maybe they could deal Hoskins to the D-Backs for Montgomery and

?

What does that trade address? We pay more for a pitcher who's...way down the list of potential starters for the Brewres and we get a backup catcher when we clearly made an effort to keep Haase on the 40 man for next year as a bridge to Jefferson Quero. 

All so we can pay more to have to fill 1B/DH by losing a guy who's put up a line of .242/.353/.492 with an .846 OPS and 36 HR/98 RBI per 162 games...for his career before this year. 

So...if you're going to choose a pitcher who was terrible, when we've got a whole slew of arms and develop pitchers as well as any team in the league, or a 1B/DH, a position we have NOT developed very well, I don't see why we'd make that move.

Hoskins is going to be on the team next year...and I think it's as likely he comes back and at least hits .230/.330 with 25+HRs. Where are we going to replace that AND Adames? Adames I'd say you'd replace with Yr 2 Chourio and Yelich for a full year(basically what would have been a full year of MVP caliber play this year). 

But is Montgomery even an upgrade over Ashby, Hall, Miley should he choose to come back, Gasser by mid-season, Myers, Rodriguez, Clarke, Civale, Peralta and what will invariably be a couple more young pitchers we pick up?

 

The 2nd basemen we just faced. He'll be a FA. That's a guy we could bring in. Black, Boeve, Monastario, Wilken...maybe, but we don't need a lot. Just let the young guys step up.

 

We're doing too much in these to just make a move for the sake of making a move IMO. 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Devinep said:

I personally would like to get Brandon Lowe from Tampa Baybin exchange for Tyler Black. 

Yeah...if the Rays would do that, I'd make that trade. I'm not sure they do though.

This is why I'm moving Turang to SS(most likely). Easier to find a 2B than a 3B. 

It's really hard to care right now, but...I'm trying to remember the young talent we have that doesn't care about the history...and they played...mostly well this post-season. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

Just throwing this out there.......I've seen Boeve mentioned as a 2B in this thread. He's played there 16 games in his pro career, ten of those in rookie ball. He played zero games at 2B this year before getting hurt. He's a corner guy. As is Wilkin, Burke, Ernesto Martinez, Luke Adams........If Wilkin has a good fall league & they truly believe in Burke, that might be an area where we could look to deal from. AFA the '25 brewers are concerned though, Martinez is probably the closest to helping, & even that's a stretch.

[BrewerFan]

19 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Just throwing this out there.......I've seen Boeve mentioned as a 2B in this thread. He's played there 16 games in his pro career, ten of those in rookie ball. He played zero games at 2B this year before getting hurt. He's a corner guy. As is Wilkin, Burke, Ernesto Martinez, Luke Adams........If Wilkin has a good fall league & they truly believe in Burke, that might be an area where we could look to deal from. AFA the '25 brewers are concerned though, Martinez is probably the closest to helping, & even that's a stretch.

3B then. Ortiz to SS, Turang to SS, it's not a big difference IMO. 

I wouldn't really count on any of them too much for next year. 

The guy the Mets rolled out at 2B. If his inflated BA this year doesn't raise his price too much, he's an option. Otherwise, Suarez is ideal. I have very little confidence in Ernesto, though he's a fun guy to watch. 

[Ro Mueller]

So we’ll lose Adames, trade Devin, pray Hoskins does a magical Winker turnaround, lose Sanchez, get Woodruff back, let Bauers walk…

I guess we need a solid third baseman, though the owners may skimp and hope Frelick plays some third base.

With Woodruff coming back, I don’t believe we’ll spend anything on starting pitching (bye Wade Miley).

DL Hall will hopefully be a solid starter in 2025 - Peralta, Woodruff, Myers, Civale, Rea, Hall, CF Rodriguez. Maybe we’ll see Gasser in August.

We’ll probably WANT to re-sign Joe Ross just like Colin Rea last year. We’ll see. It’s either re-sign Ross or tender and keep Bryse Wilson.

To me, Wilson and Hoby Milner are tender-and-trade candidates.

Having already let Enoli Paredes and Mitch White walk does not bode well for JB Bukauskas, I think. We may hold onto Rob Zastryzny though.

A $10m third baseman - that’s all I’m expecting.

Rhys will get $22m next year. Please Lord help this man figure it out.

[jay87shot]

Rhys gets 18 next year the 4 million buyout doesn't get added if he picks up his option.