2024-25 Offseason Ideas

[Ro Mueller]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

Rhys gets 18 next year the 4 million buyout doesn't get added if he picks up his option. 

Okay. My understanding is that Rhys will earn an $18m base in 2025, then inevitably collect a $4m opt-out in Feb 2026, since it’s a mutual option which basically never gets jointly picked up.

[jay87shot]

49 minutes ago, Ro Mueller said:

Okay. My understanding is that Rhys will earn an $18m base in 2025, then inevitably collect a $4m opt-out in Feb 2026, since it’s a mutual option which basically never gets jointly picked up.

It's 18 base but the 4 million is only if he opts out. If he opts in he makes 18 and doesn't get the 4 million because he didn't op-out.

 

[Team Canada]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

If he opts in he makes 18 and doesn't get the 4 million because he didn't op-out.

That's not true. He gets a 4M buyout either year regardless of who doesn't pick up the option. It's just deferred money.

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

3B then. Ortiz to SS, Turang to SS, it's not a big difference IMO. 

I wouldn't really count on any of them too much for next year. 

The guy the Mets rolled out at 2B. If his inflated BA this year doesn't raise his price too much, he's an option. Otherwise, Suarez is ideal. I have very little confidence in Ernesto, though he's a fun guy to watch. 

No, in all likelihood none of them for next year. Martinez is simply the closest of the group right now. By June that might look different if Wilkin has a good fall & springboards, or Boeve continues to hit.

Geno Suarez would certainly be a nice fit if something could be worked out. 

Both Ortiz & Turang can play SS, but after the year he had with the glove at 2B I'd leave Turang alone. Plus he started to re-emerge offensively a little & I'm not really nuts about throwing a position change at him.

[Brewcrew82]

We really should get in on the Bo Bichette sweepstakes this winter. Cost is going to be relatively limited given the season he's coming off of and his 1 remaining year of control. But, assuming he returns to all-star form (which I think is a solid assumption at 27 going on 28), you'd have effectively replaced Adames' production and would be set up nicely in the IF. 

I'd be fine giving up Tyler Black+, even for a rental like Bichette.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

We really should get in on the Bo Bichette sweepstakes this winter. Cost is going to be relatively limited given the season he's coming off of and his 1 remaining year of control. But, assuming he returns to all-star form (which I think is a solid assumption at 27 going on 28), you'd have effectively replaced Adames' production and would be set up nicely in the IF. 

I'd be fine giving up Tyler Black+, even for a rental like Bichette.

Worth exploring. It at least would buy a year while Eric Brown tries to figure things out & Jadher Areinamo continues to climb. If Black could be the headliner going back, sure.

Plus he'd qualify for being a legacy😛.

[Madhawk23]

2 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Worth exploring. It at least would buy a year while Eric Brown tries to figure things out & Jadher Areinamo continues to climb. If Black could be the headliner going back, sure.

No offense, but I don't think either one of those guys you mentioned are going to be the SS of the future for this franchise. I think it's much more likely that Pratt or Made would be that guy.....with the other hopefully moving over to 3B down the line?  

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

We really should get in on the Bo Bichette sweepstakes this winter. Cost is going to be relatively limited given the season he's coming off of and his 1 remaining year of control. But, assuming he returns to all-star form (which I think is a solid assumption at 27 going on 28), you'd have effectively replaced Adames' production and would be set up nicely in the IF. 

I'd be fine giving up Tyler Black+, even for a rental like Bichette.

If we trade for Bichette is he going to play nice with being moved to 3B the year before he hits FA because he would not be playing SS for the Milwaukee Brewers.

[Brewcrew82]

2 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

If we trade for Bichette is he going to play nice with being moved to 3B the year before he hits FA because he would not be playing SS for the Milwaukee Brewers.

It’s certainly a legitimate question.

I’d like to think he realizes a move off SS is in his future regardless, and that he wouldn’t lose much, if anything, in FA so long as he rebounds to all-star caliber form with the bat.

I think I’d take the risk just due to the bat.

[Jim French Stepstool]

3 hours ago, Madhawk23 said:

No offense, but I don't think either one of those guys you mentioned are going to be the SS of the future for this franchise. I think it's much more likely that Pratt or Made would be that guy.....with the other hopefully moving over to 3B down the line?  

I agree about Pratt & Made. But in the Bichette scenario you'd need someone in '26. I'm guessing Pratt might need more than one more season; Made certainly so. Brown has quite a ways to go offensively & it might not ever get there. But he & Areinamo are further along in the system. That's why I mentioned them.

No offense taken😉.

[Scooterfletcher]

The plan needs to be:

 

Sigb Moncada and/or Polanco

sign Goldschmidt letting Bauers and Sanchez walk

Trade Devin for two good A+ type top ten talents

[Soupy]

Hoskins?

[Scooterfletcher]

10 minutes ago, Soupy said:

Hoskins?

Bauers I meant.  Hoskins is coming back and I wish people would realize that and mock the off season as such.  He is 100 percent returning.

[BrewerFan]

12 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

No, in all likelihood none of them for next year. Martinez is simply the closest of the group right now. By June that might look different if Wilkin has a good fall & springboards, or Boeve continues to hit.

Geno Suarez would certainly be a nice fit if something could be worked out. 

Both Ortiz & Turang can play SS, but after the year he had with the glove at 2B I'd leave Turang alone. Plus he started to re-emerge offensively a little & I'm not really nuts about throwing a position change at him.

Yeah...no, I said I wouldn't COUNT on the guys in AA. 

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I wouldn't really count on any of them too much for next year. 

That's what I said about the AA group...but I'm not sure Martinez is closer than Boeve. .306/.374/.447 in his first year in the system. First full year. 

Certainly, players who've done less have come up from AA to make an impact that next season. I hope Martinez can make it also. He's an exciting player, but...he seems to be very streaky. 

And then Wilken. Again, I said I wouldn't count on any of these guys, but he got hit in the face and still at least held his own. Start him in AA next year and maybe he can contribute at some point. 

Once you're in AA, you're within striking distance(save for maybe Pratt as he was just moved up for a game EOY). There just aren't a lot of options to fill in.

 

AS for Turang, I don't really ascribe to the belief that changing positions impacts your offense. Turang's a SS his whole life. Whoever they decide to move, I'm fine with...but again, just seems like 2B is MORE likely to be where you find the best available player.

I actually think Collins, Dunn, Monastario...those are the types who could be starting on opening day. 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, Scooterfletcher said:

The plan needs to be:

 

Sigb Moncada and/or Polanco

sign Goldschmidt letting Bauers and Sanchez walk

Trade Devin for two good A+ type top ten talents

Ok...so Williams might negate Moncada's contract.

Goldschmidt...what do you expect he'll get? I don't think it's all that likely with Hoskins coming back(and the gap between the two offensively...pretty small this year)...but if you could get him to come to Milwaukee and get him to do so for 10-12M, maybe 14-16 with the Mutual Options that won't be picked up...but I'm a bit skeptical they're going to make two medium-sized signings. 

I'm not sure they'll make two signings like that, but I'd be thrilled with one. 

[BrewerFan]

11 hours ago, Madhawk23 said:

No offense, but I don't think either one of those guys you mentioned are going to be the SS of the future for this franchise. I think it's much more likely that Pratt or Made would be that guy.....with the other hopefully moving over to 3B down the line?  

They don't have to be. EBJ has been a bust thus far, but he's still young and versatile, also has exceptionally quick hands, looks good in the field. Seems lost at the plate, but maybe a healthy year he could rebuild his prospect value. Jadher Areinamo at 20 is coming off a .301.349.442 .791 line at age 20 in HiA.

 

They don't have to be our SS of the future...they can provide value in a number of ways. Areinamo could...be a big piece in a trade, he could be a utility player. You really don't have too many Catchers, SS's or Pitchers. Or really any position, but those three in particular. 

[jay87shot]

I wouldnt be against getting Bichette but agree he wouldn't play SS for us. I would prefer to get a mlb ready prospect for Black or a higher end starter however.

Do we think the Diamondbacks would trade Jordan Lawler or Geraldo Perdomo. For my trade money we match up well with them. We could trade Devin for Perdomo and maybe a second piece. I would love Lawler but I doubt he would be on the table.

 

[Playing Catch]

Bichette has been so poor his last season and a half. His bat was REALLY strong before then, and for an established amount of time. Certainly strong enough to have value at 3rd. Who knows what's going on in his head, but maybe he would relish the chance at a fresh opportunity, re-gaining his stick, and adding versatility?

It always comes down to the cost, but I'm guessing his arby numbers would remain high, despite his issues lately. I definitely think he's the type of player the Brewers should be targeting.

[wallus]

First of many offseason plans.

Trade Devin Williams to the Rangers for Josh Smith

Trade Tyler Black to the White Sox for Luis Robert

Sign Paul Dejong on a one year deal.

I like Josh Smith as an option for 3rd base and like that he could also play shortstop which the team obviously would like. Dejong has a Wisconsin connection and I would like him to be a guy that starts 3-4 times a week across the infield.

The team is going to lose a lot of power this offseason (Adames and Sanchez for sure) They have correctly identified that the team needs some boppers in the lineup. I know people have strong opinions on Robert but we need someone to "replace" Willy's power and I think Robert could do that. With our outfield depth, we could load manage his playing time a bit to hopefully keep him healthy all season. Black is probably best as an OF/DH and I am fine with another team giving him some low pressure time in MLB.

Other than some minor moves that they always seem to make, I don't think they need to do much on the pitching side. 

Chourio (LF)

Yelich (DH)

Contreras (C)

Robert (RF/CF)

Mitchell (RF/CF)

Hoskins (1B)

Smith (3B)

Ortiz (SS)

Turang (2B)

[Madhawk23]

18 hours ago, wallus said:

First of many offseason plans.

Trade Devin Williams to the Rangers for Josh Smith

Trade Tyler Black to the White Sox for Luis Robert

Sign Paul Dejong on a one year deal.

I like Josh Smith as an option for 3rd base and like that he could also play shortstop which the team obviously would like. Dejong has a Wisconsin connection and I would like him to be a guy that starts 3-4 times a week across the infield.

The team is going to lose a lot of power this offseason (Adames and Sanchez for sure) They have correctly identified that the team needs some boppers in the lineup. I know people have strong opinions on Robert but we need someone to "replace" Willy's power and I think Robert could do that. With our outfield depth, we could load manage his playing time a bit to hopefully keep him healthy all season. Black is probably best as an OF/DH and I am fine with another team giving him some low pressure time in MLB.

Other than some minor moves that they always seem to make, I don't think they need to do much on the pitching side. 

Chourio (LF)

Yelich (DH)

Contreras (C)

Robert (RF/CF)

Mitchell (RF/CF)

Hoskins (1B)

Smith (3B)

Ortiz (SS)

Turang (2B)

I don't mind your proposal here for next year's roster.  A couple of questions that I have though:

• How sure are we that Josh Smith is a legit everyday 3B?  From what I can see, it looks like his production really trailed off the final two months of the season.  Was that just from him wearing down after not being used to playing that many games the previous two seasons, or is there more there to be concerned about?  With a logjam there at SS and 3B with Seager and Jung, the Rangers would certainly be a potential trade partner this winter.  
• Can we realistically afford to pay Robert the $55M he is owed over the last three years of his current contract?  Are the White Sox definitely going to look to unload him this winter, and if so - do we think they'd eat some of his remaining contract if we gave them more prospect capital in return?  And is that a risk we'd even be able to take on a guy that's definitely had some injury issues over the years?  If you could get the healthy '23 Robert that was healthy most of the year, that would be a major addition to the lineup every day!  

[wallus]

1 hour ago, Madhawk23 said:

I don't mind your proposal here for next year's roster.  A couple of questions that I have though:

• How sure are we that Josh Smith is a legit everyday 3B?  From what I can see, it looks like his production really trailed off the final two months of the season.  Was that just from him wearing down after not being used to playing that many games the previous two seasons, or is there more there to be concerned about?  With a logjam there at SS and 3B with Seager and Jung, the Rangers would certainly be a potential trade partner this winter.  
• Can we realistically afford to pay Robert the $55M he is owed over the last three years of his current contract?  Are the White Sox definitely going to look to unload him this winter, and if so - do we think they'd eat some of his remaining contract if we gave them more prospect capital in return?  And is that a risk we'd even be able to take on a guy that's definitely had some injury issues over the years?  If you could get the healthy '23 Robert that was healthy most of the year, that would be a major addition to the lineup every day!  

No we aren't sure about Smith but I would like to bring in a guy that can be a young(ish) and low cost player with some potential. Between our young guys in the minors, we may only need a stopgap anyways. I would assume the Rangers would have to throw in a little bit more but not much. One year of Devin at 10 mil plus the QO doesn't have a huge amount of value.

Robert fits well into our future payroll. He is owed about Willy made this year and then you have two years of club options that are pretty close to what Hoskins makes. If he isn't performing, you can always decline the option and free up that space. I think Robert would benefit from moving to a better run organization and the Brewers always seem to be in the mix for a higher end outfielder (Bryan Reynolds comes to mind recently)

I am not huge on Black personally so would like to sell on him while he has some prospect status.

[nate82]

1 hour ago, wallus said:

I am not huge on Black personally so would like to sell on him while he has some prospect status.

I don’t believe the White Sox would have much interest in Black.  They will want someone better than him plus more.

[wntrtxn21]

21 hours ago, wallus said:

First of many offseason plans.

Trade Devin Williams to the Rangers for Josh Smith

Trade Tyler Black to the White Sox for Luis Robert

Sign Paul Dejong on a one year deal.

I like Josh Smith as an option for 3rd base and like that he could also play shortstop which the team obviously would like. Dejong has a Wisconsin connection and I would like him to be a guy that starts 3-4 times a week across the infield.

The team is going to lose a lot of power this offseason (Adames and Sanchez for sure) They have correctly identified that the team needs some boppers in the lineup. I know people have strong opinions on Robert but we need someone to "replace" Willy's power and I think Robert could do that. With our outfield depth, we could load manage his playing time a bit to hopefully keep him healthy all season. Black is probably best as an OF/DH and I am fine with another team giving him some low pressure time in MLB.

Other than some minor moves that they always seem to make, I don't think they need to do much on the pitching side. 

Chourio (LF)

Yelich (DH)

Contreras (C)

Robert (RF/CF)

Mitchell (RF/CF)

Hoskins (1B)

Smith (3B)

Ortiz (SS)

Turang (2B)

Smith regressed badly in the 2nd half of the season (BA .293/.215 - OBP .392/.265). I would rather Milwaukee went after Miranda and looked at signing DeJong or Urshela as a veteran IF.  I like the idea of getting Robert on a one year "show me" type deal (decline option if it doesn't work out), but believe it would take a lot more than Black to get him. That would allow Yelich to be a full time DH. 

Turang (2B) - Contreras (C) - Yelich (DH) - Robert (RF) - Chourio (LF) - Miranda (3B) - Hoskins (1B) - Mitchell (CF) - Ortiz (SS)  Bench: DeJong/Urshela-Haase-Perkins-Dunn

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, wntrtxn21 said:

Smith regressed badly in the 2nd half of the season (BA .293/.215 - OBP .392/.265). I would rather Milwaukee went after Miranda and looked at signing DeJong or Urshela as a veteran IF.  I like the idea of getting Robert on a one year "show me" type deal (decline option if it doesn't work out), but believe it would take a lot more than Black to get him. That would allow Yelich to be a full time DH. 

Turang (2B) - Contreras (C) - Yelich (DH) - Robert (RF) - Chourio (LF) - Miranda (3B) - Hoskins (1B) - Mitchell (CF) - Ortiz (SS)  Bench: DeJong/Urshela-Haase-Perkins-Dunn

I doubt the Brewers would view Miranda as anything other than a 1B/DH. He has -12 OAA in nearly 1200 career inning at 3B.

[Madhawk23]

59 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I don’t believe the White Sox would have much interest in Black.  They will want someone better than him plus more.

I’m with everyone on the Black value. I mean….if we’ve all become more concerned about his future as a big league player, you can bet that front offices across baseball see that as well. 
 

Here’s a question for folks here: would you trade Mitchell (take advantage of his value being high) for Robert? You’d still have Sal and Perk to cover CF.