Devin Willams Trade

[Playing Catch]

18 hours ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Honestly, MLB is lucky the Brewers are so good. They help buck the payroll-winning correlation in ways that are probably helpful. That won't last forever. As others have said, it's probably going to be involved somehow as the next CBA gets negotiated.

Yes to all of this. It's also why teams are willing to play chicken with Boras in free agency. They are getting smarter about fielding a winning team. Why pay $35M for a player worth $10M? It doesn't make sense. And I agree, too, that the Rays/Brewers/Guardians success will not continue without more strident competitive balance mandates.

[Ro Mueller]

How about one year of Devin Williams for one year of Eugenio Suarez?

[wiguy94]

9 minutes ago, Ro Mueller said:

How about one year of Devin Williams for one year of Eugenio Suarez?

Nope. The Brewers are trading Devin because of the lack of team control. They aren't going to trade him for someone who will be a FA the same time Devin is. Just not the Brewers MO.

[harrydalton]

I'd do it. Short term trade given reliever depth vs 3b ready prospects.

[LouisEly]

4 hours ago, Ro Mueller said:

How about one year of Devin Williams for one year of Eugenio Suarez?

The Brewers are not trading for a player with a career 27% K rate, especially when his K% has been higher than his career average K% each of the last six seasons.

[wiguy94]

13 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

The Brewers are not trading for a player with a career 27% K rate, especially when his K% has been higher than his career average K% each of the last six seasons.

I mean we traded for Jake Bauers last year. Also traded for Oliver Dunn who ran a 27.5% K-rate in AA.

[StearnsFTW]

On 10/4/2024 at 4:32 PM, Redd Vencher said:

Boston had the 2nd most MD this year, and Kenley Jansen is a FA. Williams for INF Chase Meidroth (11th), RHP Richard Fitts (13th), SS/2B Mikey Romero (16th), and RHP Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz (7th) would be a nice deal. Not huge upside on any of these guys, but Meidroth and Fitts are big league ready, and Romero and Rodriguez-Cruz should be ready sometime next season. May have to add a Peguero to our end like the Tanner Scott trade.

I think some of you are going to be very disappointed in the return.

[Redd Vencher]

10 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

I think some of you are going to be very disappointed in the return.

I didn't propose a prospect close to the type of prospect Robby Snelling that went back for half a season of Scott. Fitts and Meidroth are comparable to Mazur and Pauley. Romero and Rodriguez-Cruz are both better than Beshears, but we're taking a much weaker front of the package because the offseason is different than the deadline.

[LouisEly]

7 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

I think some of you are going to be very disappointed in the return.

Why? 

Hopefully not because he gave up a HR in the playoffs to a four-time All Star who's hit 120 HRs over the last 3 seasons.

[jay87shot]

The Marlins got 2 solid pitching prospects (granted not having great years) for a half year Tanner Scott and the solid but not spectacular Bryan Hoeing. We should get at least that value. 

The Yanks, Rangers, Red Sox, D-backs, Ranger could all use a closer upgrade and then a half dozen or so could pursue Devin like the O's, Phillies, Dodgers, Giants, Blue Jays, Cubs among others. I like the Red Sox and D-backs farm systems best if we are looking for prospects.

[StearnsFTW]

1 hour ago, LouisEly said:

Why? 

Hopefully not because he gave up a HR in the playoffs to a four-time All Star who's hit 120 HRs over the last 3 seasons.

No.  Of course not.

 

It's one season of a good reliever.  We're not getting a top 50 guy and I'll be surprised if we get a top 100.

 

The receiving team is getting like 60 innings  

[Redd Vencher]

25 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

No.  Of course not.

 

It's one season of a good reliever.  We're not getting a top 50 guy and I'll be surprised if we get a top 100.

 

The receiving team is getting like 60 innings  

What top 50 or top 100 guy was I proposing when you suggested disappointment? The rankings were in the Red Sox top 30 not the top 100.

[jay87shot]

I don't like mlb trade simulator but it has Devin at a 8.6 trade value. I think Burnes was over 20 last offseason, that being said there is plenty of past trades that say we should get at least 2 top 10ish organizational prospects for Devin.

I really like the Red Sox like Redd Vencher posted. Meidroth is super interesting since they have Campbell ahead of him and they have lots of talent in their top 25 to maybe squeeze out 3 pieces.

I also like the idea of a 3 team deal where Devin goes to the Yankees, I don't like the match with there farm system but maybe Devin goes to the Yankees and we get a top starter from a team like the Marlins, Rays, CWS (Crochet), or other.

[StearnsFTW]

10 hours ago, Redd Vencher said:

What top 50 or top 100 guy was I proposing when you suggested disappointment? The rankings were in the Red Sox top 30 not the top 100.

I'm aware.  There were 4 guys.  I'll be shocked if we get more than a borderline top 100 guy and a flier.

We'll see.

[LouisEly]

11 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

It's one season of a good reliever.  We're not getting a top 50 guy and I'll be surprised if we get a top 100.

It's one season of a great reliever plus a comp pick if he leaves in free agency.

[Madhawk23]

With the Tigers getting their first taste of the postseason this year, and a young/up-and-coming team....would they at all be a good fit for a Devin trade this offseason (if the Guardians finish them off here in the ALDS)?  

With them needing to find room for Jace Jung, could a guy like Vierling be available?  Guessing it would take more than just Devin though to get him back in a trade.  

[Jopal78]

Unless he suffers an arm injury in ‘25 the Brewers have until July 31st to trade Williams. Seems the likely course is to sit back and see if they get blown away with an offer, if not open the 2025 season and see what happens. If they fall out of contention they can trade him, and if they need a back end relief ace in ‘25 they can keep him and get a comp pick which is probably equivalent to caliber of  talent they’d be offered in return anyways. 
 

There is no reason to be hasty to trade away a premium player just because they’re approaching six years of service time .

[jay87shot]

On 10/7/2024 at 1:50 PM, Madhawk23 said:

With the Tigers getting their first taste of the postseason this year, and a young/up-and-coming team....would they at all be a good fit for a Devin trade this offseason (if the Guardians finish them off here in the ALDS)?  

With them needing to find room for Jace Jung, could a guy like Vierling be available?  Guessing it would take more than just Devin though to get him back in a trade.  

The Tigers wouldn't be bad, I live in Michigan and hear a lot of different things. They should have a lot of money this offseason, my friends really want Alex Bregman and then to use Jung in a trade. If that is the case I could see us trading Devin for Jung (maybe we give up a bit more). Vierling is ok but really more of an OF than 3B. The Tigers farm system is decent but not real deep so my guess is that a Devin to Detriot trade would be for 2-3 decent prospects in or around there 7-20 range.

[wibadgers23]

8 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

If they fall out of contention they can trade him

They've been in contention every year since 2017 so I'd bet the same will be true for 2025.  If they want to trade Williams, the time to do it is this offseason.  Much like Adames, they won't be trading Williams mid-season.

[Scooterfletcher]

Williams will have to be dealt to a team top 6 favored to win the WS.   Those are the teams that will want and potentially battle for him.  

[jesusoftheapes]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:19 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

Good riddance. Time to cash out on this choker. Should be able to get a solid piece or two. 

He got figured out .  Tipped his pitches and they caught it on video from the previous night.   Williams with a full offseason behind him is still exceptional and we got to see him pitch for years and that was what I can only describe as a privilege.  It sucks that he started tipping his pitches this last season and sometimes teams picked up on it and it really cost us in the crunch.    When you miss that much time there are always ticks to work out and he simply did not get enough season to fine tune his stuff for the 2024 affair.    Choker is a bit much given his record in many pressure Saves.    Williams is a great player and closing was rough across the board in the 2024 season with great closers blowing games they normally wouldn't everywhere.   To be angry at Devin is natural but to smear him is not.  Devin is the Airbender and when his stuff is on it is some of the greatest in baseball.    I feel nothing but appreciative for what Devin has given to this Crew.    I think you should take a step back and try to see past the hurt.    

I hope you can find some perspective on the 2024 season . It was one hell of a ride that should not feel like the same old Brewers .  This was year 1 of a young teams journey.   The team will still be here in 2025 and beyond .  This group will win it . It is just a matter of when!   There is greatness in this group of young men.  They just haven't figure out how great they will be just yet.  Don't be down my friend.  This team has Jackson Chourio and they idea of what he will become in the very near future cure any hurt from playoff losses .  

 

All that being said I do agree with a trade.   This is still OUR Crew ! 

[jesusoftheapes]

I think what will determine what they do with Williams will come down to where they believe Craig Yoho and Jacob Misiorowski fit into the picture next spring.   Abner is in that conversation again as well if he comes back healthy in mind and body.   Plus Trevor showed he was more than up for the task however I'd love it if he added one more pitch.  

Yoho looked to  be almost unhittable no matter where he pitched.   To me he  looked like the next bigtime Closer for the Crew.   He may be ready for the job from day one next season.     He  was sure impressive through 3 spots in 2024.  

Mis looks like he needs more time in the Farms but his late season move to the Pen looked pretty natural.   The idea of him starting in the Bigs is probably lost given his affinity to walk to many.   If he looks dialed in he could be an option as a Closer.  

Abner Uribe is also still on this baseball team believe it of not.  His 2024 went about as bad as anyone could conceive so a rebounding 2025 will hopefully put his career back on track . 

 

Trevor Megill is fantastic and showed he can be a dandy closer when he shut everyone down while Williams was out.  However if he could add a sweeper to his arsenal he could be the best Closer in baseball and he already has the arm motion down with his big Curve.  I would love to see him figure out that grip on the ball.   Time will tell if he ever tries it out.     

 

Saying goodbye to Devin Williams is probably going to happen.  Like Burns he is worth to much to let slide.  Pulling Joey Ortiz and Hall seems like we robbed the Orange Birds.   Especially when you think Burke also came with the deal .   Williams should hypothetically bring more than Burns brought and even if it sounds like a bad deal in the offseason by the All Star Break many will sure like the players Williams bought us. 

As far as Williams however he will not be defined by this playoff loss.  What Brewers fans should feel about his time here is GRATITUDE.  The man is one of the best I have ever watched and it was one hell of a ride for him since taking the job from Hader.       I will remember him fondly and wish him well wherever he ends up.   As long as that is NOT the Phillies Dodgers or Yankees that is.      

[jesusoftheapes]

On 10/5/2024 at 12:22 PM, Ro Mueller said:

How about one year of Devin Williams for one year of Eugenio Suarez?

no .   Craig Yoho is coming and that will be more than enough.  I think we could do way better than that with Williams .   They should be able to get stud bats for the guy along with pitching help.   We can use so many of our own guys to close games.    We are not the rest of baseball . We have closer level pitching  all over the place.   

[brewmann04]

No way Williams is a brewer to start the season. Imo 

[bigred]

On 10/4/2024 at 3:22 PM, wiguy94 said:

Baltimore would laugh you off the phone if you sent them that trade offer. Westburg put up about 3 fWAR in 450 PA with amazing underlying hitting numbers. You'd need Devin, 2 Top 100 prospects, and probably another sweetener to get Westburg. Not Devin, an average RP, and two huge arrow down prospects in Black and Lara.

"Average" relief pitchers don't have 14.5 K/9in, like Williams does.