Quero for Casas

[Devinep]

The Brewers need power and have room at 1B with Hoskins DHing. Boston only has Connor Wong and no catching prospects arriving anytime soon. They also may want to move Devers off of 3B to 1B. They also could stand to be not so LHB-Heavy. Casas has lots of control left and is still cheap so it isn’t only a win-now or budget-busting move. 

seems like the start of a win-win trade

[MNBrew]

So many of the trade ideas I've read here since the season ended seem unrealistic.  This one seems more viable, though I think it would need a little beefing up on both sides (no great ideas of who to include in order to accomplish that) to be work.

[wntrtxn21]

9 hours ago, Devinep said:

The Brewers need power and have room at 1B with Hoskins DHing. Boston only has Connor Wong and no catching prospects arriving anytime soon. They also may want to move Devers off of 3B to 1B. They also could stand to be not so LHB-Heavy. Casas has lots of control left and is still cheap so it isn’t only a win-now or budget-busting move. 

seems like the start of a win-win trade

Is Hoskins going to be the DH or is Yelich coming off an injury going to be the primary DH

[sveumrules]

13 hours ago, Devinep said:

The Brewers need power and have room at 1B with Hoskins DHing

Last year Contreras DHed 34 games and Yelich came in at 26 in only half a season.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Contreras ends up around 40-45 games this year if they try to DH him more often to keep him fresh.

If Yelich is healthy most of the season have to imagine he’s the DH at least 50-60 times coming off injury with four superior OF defenders on the roster.

That would leave something like 220-240 games for Hoskins and someone else (probably Tyler Black at the moment) to divvy up between 1B/DH.

Casas probably shouldn’t be seeing too much time at 1B either. Among 27 players with at least 1,500 innings there the last three years he has -7 DRS and -8 FRV, both ranking 20th.

Brewers need another power bat no doubt, but with the dearth of catching in the system behind Quero I’m not sure they’ll be too motivated to deal him.

[Devinep]

47 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Last year Contreras DHed 34 games and Yelich came in at 26 in only half a season.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Contreras ends up around 40-45 games this year if they try to DH him more often to keep him fresh.

If Yelich is healthy most of the season have to imagine he’s the DH at least 50-60 times coming off injury with four superior OF defenders on the roster.

That would leave something like 220-240 games for Hoskins and someone else (probably Tyler Black at the moment) to divvy up between 1B/DH.

Casas probably shouldn’t be seeing too much time at 1B either. Among 27 players with at least 1,500 innings there the last three years he has -7 DRS and -8 FRV, both ranking 20th.

Brewers need another power bat no doubt, but with the dearth of catching in the system behind Quero I’m not sure they’ll be too motivated to deal him.

I guess I assumed the Brewers stopped caring about 1B defense when they played Hoskins at 1B and DH’d a crappy hitting Jake Bauers. But I do hope they  have a Tyler black type to allow for more pinch running/Defensive subbing for 1B if it’s Casas or Hoskins there.

But I think you could make Hoskins and Casas fit in the roster (although unloading Hoskins would be nice but unlikely)with Hoskins at DH most days. They would have to be confident in Yeli playing LF most days, but he could also use days off. I also see him likely being on the IL, opening up DH at bats. And if Hoskins hits like last year, he doesn’t need to start vs a lot of RHP. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

If Quero proves to be healthy off that shoulder injury, he's likely going to become the everyday catcher in Milwaukee sooner rather than later so Contreras can turn into the primary DH - maybe not in 2025, but 2026.   

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

If Quero proves to be healthy off that shoulder injury, he's likely going to become the everyday catcher in Milwaukee sooner rather than later so Contreras can turn into the primary DH - maybe not in 2025, but 2026.   

Won’t Yelich be our DH in 2026?

I fear we may trade Contreras when his primary catching days are over. 

[wallus]

No, Quero is our catcher of the future.

[Devinep]

21 minutes ago, wallus said:

No, Quero is our catcher of the future.

Yes as of now he would be the main catcher in a couple years. But Boston would be in more desperate need of a catcher as soon as this year. And good luck getting a player as good as Casas without giving up anyone who might be a future starter. 

[wallus]

2 minutes ago, Devinep said:

Yes as of now he would be the main catcher in a couple years. But Boston would be in more desperate need of a catcher as soon as this year. And good luck getting a player as good as Casas without giving up anyone who might be a future starter. 

It's not that I'm worried about a future starter. My main concern is we really have no one else other than Quero to take over for Contreras. We have much more depth at other positions.

[Scooterfletcher]

Rather deal Contreras to Boston for Casas AND Mayer.   I can live with Haase starting and Quero on the ready .

[BrewerFan]

On 12/15/2024 at 12:58 PM, Devinep said:

I guess I assumed the Brewers stopped caring about 1B defense when they played Hoskins at 1B and DH’d a crappy hitting Jake Bauers. But I do hope they  have a Tyler black type to allow for more pinch running/Defensive subbing for 1B if it’s Casas or Hoskins there.

I don't recall Bauers playing many games at DH with Hoskins at 1B.

How many games did Bauers start at DH in which Hoskins started at 1B? I have a very different recollection than you. I know Bauers had a total of 43 PAs in 17 Games. I seem to remember most of those games...he came in as a PH and wasn't a DH option over Hoskins.

11 hours ago, Devinep said:

Yes as of now he would be the main catcher in a couple years. But Boston would be in more desperate need of a catcher as soon as this year. And good luck getting a player as good as Casas without giving up anyone who might be a future starter. 

Casas is a 1B with 4 years of team control.

Quero is a GG caliber catcher who at 20-21 was the best defensive catcher in the minors and put up a 262/.339/.441 .779 at AA. He also hit 16HRs in 90 games.

A league-average offensive player who is a GG catcher is more valuable than Casas, especially when you compare time. 4 years of Casas vs nearly 7 for Quero.

 

It's a great trade if you have the money of a mid-market team, but Quero's value is too much. He's probably looking at starting when he's 23. Call him up a couple months into the season, you get 23-29 season. You extend him...should he prove worth it as the season goes on, you pick up a couple more options. I'll take that over a good 1B.

What's more, if you get Casas, you are getting a slightly worse version of Rhys Hoskins entire career save for last year coming offf a torn ACL.

 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Rather deal Contreras to Boston for Casas AND Mayer.   I can live with Haase starting and Quero on the ready .

Yeah...I think both of the trades you've suggested make some sense. I don't want to do the first and I don't think Boston does the later.

Boston is trying to toe that line of young talent and a top ~5 payroll without gonig nuts. So an elite SS with 25 HR power, or a 3B(which I think Mayer is more suited to 3rd as Devers moves to 1st) is going to give them a young controllable stud.

1B-Casas
2B-Kristian Campbell(#10 overall)
SS-Mayer(#7 overall)
3B-Devers
OF-Rafaela, Duran(8.7 WAR), Abreu(3.4 WAR), Anthony(#3 overall prospect)
DH-Yoshida
C-Wong/Jansen

If I'm Boston, I'm going after Burnes, going with the young core, maybe you get STory healthy and move him, but Wong was good last year, Jansen has been a good hitter most of his career.

I wouldn't deal a SS/3B that highly regarded and their other top 100 prospect is a SS. When he's ready, you move Devers to 1B, Mayer to 3rd and you've got an elite mostly young IF with Devers as the vet, a young OF.

I'd want Peralta and Contreras for Mayer and maybe a guy like Wong. That may be closer to what it'd take to get Mayer...IMO.

 

Boston isn't acting like a team that's a great fit for us given how theyr're building. But I like the idea of getting Mayer.

 

[Underachiever]

I don't recall Bauers playing many games at DH with Hoskins at 1B.

You are correct; but I think starting Bauers at DH and Hoskins at 1b in game 1 of the Mets’ series is probably burned in our brains.

[Devinep]

2 hours ago, Underachiever said:

I don't recall Bauers playing many games at DH with Hoskins at 1B.

You are correct; but I think starting Bauers at DH and Hoskins at 1b in game 1 of the Mets’ series is probably burned in our brains.

Yes. A garbage hitter whose only quality was being the team’s only competent 1B was a waste of a DH, especially when you’re then stuck with Hoskins at DH. He did it 15 times during the season but in the playoffs was the worst one. Murphy said it was to allow Sanchez to PH for Bauers but I’d rather have Bauers and then some Sanchez at 1B than Hoskins 

[Lloyd330]

Instead of Quero

Freddy/Hoskins for Casas/??

Redsox are rumored to be going after Luis Castillo. 

[brewmann04]

Have to Feel Yeli or Wilson might not be a Brewer after next season.

[DR28]

45 minutes ago, brewmann04 said:

Have to Feel Yeli or Wilson might not be a Brewer after next season.

What makes you say that?

[brewmann04]

don't have any Inside ino just a gut feeling

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, brewmann04 said:

Have to Feel Yeli or Wilson might not be a Brewer after next season.

Who is Wilson?

[Scooterfletcher]

3 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Instead of Quero

Freddy/Hoskins for Casas/??

Redsox are rumored to be going after Luis Castillo. 

I would be ok with that deal but would rather explore a Contreras/Hoskins for Casas/Mayer/Giolito type deal.   Maybe we need to add a pitcher like Civale or Payamps.

Id be ok with Haase getting a shot if we could do this deal and Quero could be ready quickly to help out a month or two into the season.   Boston could probably meet William’s extension price too.

[Scooterfletcher]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

Who is Wilson?

He means Contreras

[nate82]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

Who is Wilson?

[TURBO]

4 hours ago, brewmann04 said:

Have to Feel Yeli or Wilson might not be a Brewer after next season.

Wilson?

[brewcrewdue80]

Freddy didn't have his best year last season but a BRef 2.6WAR for under 8mil as a starter is nuts.  

I'm not ready to unload Quero or Willy C.  How the Brewers do this season will determine the direction to go with those 3.