Brewers Open To Trading First Baseman Rhys Hoskins

[wibadgers23]

6 hours ago, Rick Daltons Flamethrower said:

Just not seeing the value of Hoskons for an 18 million dollar contract. Really 25ish million because of the payoff to get out of the contract next year. i would surely love to see Yelich at first base some day. 

Yelich needs to be our full time (or nearly full time) DH for the remainder of his contract, particularly after having major back surgery.  I'm not sure why the Brewers are so reluctant to make this move.

[Rick Daltons Flamethrower]

Good Point wibadger23... it may be that Yelich himself is not interested in such a move.

[owbc]

I think Hoskins’ upside is likely more than whatever return we would get to unload his contract. But if we can find a sucker to pay most of the contract then I’m all for it. 

[Scooterfletcher]

We thought we got a bargain a year ago for Hoskins.   There is no awesome deal to be had in trading the leader that underperformed a bit last year.  Any trade talk is yadayadayadayada.  Not happening.   Just expect and hope for a great contract year from the talented vet needed more after Willy departed.

[Lathund]

On 12/18/2024 at 11:19 PM, jesusoftheapes said:

The level of disrespect given to Perkins is madness.  Perkins is proven Golden Glove level outfield and is one of this teams most dependable players.   Switch hitter with lots to still do in this league.  Perkins belongs on this roster and all the haters of the man need to stop it already!  The guy is fun as hell to watch play and he is the best hitter we have against left handed pitching.    There is no world where Tyler Black is more valuable than Blake Perkins.   

 Blake is one of our best up and coming players and he always helps this team win .  I hate stat seekers who just do not watch the games enough to grade value of players.    Those are the folks who belittle Perkins and Sal more than any group and because Stats are what the media deems most important.  What they do is  help build the fallacy of negative value in these type of players.     You win with guys like Blake, Sal and Brice Turang because you developed them to fit the needs of the current franchise.    

Tyler Black is not that. He is a guy who just could not come up when all the other talent came up because he  just is not as good as they were.     The group we just brought over the past two seasons does(unlike Black)  fit the needs of the franchise and Blake Perkins is a big part of that.       I enjoy watching Blake Perkins and see him as nothing but a huge benefit to this team and I think fans of this Crew need to take a step back and reevaluate many of the names on this roster that you have written off as not worthy because they are the heart and soul of this baseball team.   

I don't know about Clancy (Harold) in particular, but on more general terms I'd like to say that looking to trade Perkins isn't about not rating him as a player, it's more about trading from a position of strength. Brewers currently have 4 above average or better defensive CFs on the roster in Perkins, Chourio, Mitchell and Frelick. Some teams have one, or none. So to a team like that, adding Perkins would be valuable. Whereas the Brewers, who have players with a similar skillset, would lose far less than the other team gains. 

Trades are ever less and less about "fleecing" another team, front offices today are way too smart for that. It's to some degree about valuing players skillsets correctly, but also to a great deal about their relative value. A players contract might make them untenable for one team, but improve another with more money to spare. A DH only, however good, is of no interest to the Dodgers for the next 9 years but could be for most other teams. Isaac Paredes was always going to be more valuable to the Rays or Astros than the Cubs based on his batted ball profile; that Tucker trade probably doesn't happen if the Astros played at Wrigley and the Cubs at MMP. Or, as in this case, it's the other players at the position that can make even a good player a luxury. And so to get back to the first sentence in the paragraph; you have to give up something decent to get something decent. So you make sure that the decent player you give up plays where you have other decent players, and the decent player you get strengthens you where you don't. 

No need to make a whole lot of negative assumptions about people who might see sense in looking to see what Perkins could return. 

[harmony]

On 12/18/2024 at 7:38 PM, NOMAAM said:

Brewers will have to eat at least 5 million to trade him.  Or take on a bad contract as well.  Brewers most likely are stuck with him.

Would anyone trade Rhys Hoskins to Seattle for outfielder/DH Mitch Haniger and corner infielder Tyler Locklear?

The Mariners would be taking on money because Hoskins is owed $18 million in 2025 plus a $4 million buyout of a 2026 mutual option. Haniger is owed $15.5 million to $17 million next season in the final year of his contract.

Steamer's 2025 projections for Hoskins include a 106 wRC+, 26 HR and 0.8 WAR in 133 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/rhys-hoskins/16472/stats?position=1B#dashboard

Steamer's 2025 projections for Haniger include a 95 wRC+, 15 HR and 0.0 WAR in 105 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/mitch-haniger/14274/stats?position=OF#dashboard

Steamer's 2025 projections for Locklear include a 100 wRC+, 6 HR and 0.3 WAR in 50 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/tyler-locklear/31396/stats?position=1B#dashboard

The 24-year-old Locklear, who made a brief appearance in MLB.com's midseason Top 100 prospect list, would come with six years of team control.

Baseball Trade Values suggests a Hoskins-for-Haniger trade would require cash from Seattle:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/180410

Woud Seattle even consider that trade?

[BrewerFan]

On 12/20/2024 at 11:33 PM, owbc said:

I think Hoskins’ upside is likely more than whatever return we would get to unload his contract. But if we can find a sucker to pay most of the contract then I’m all for it. 

Yeah, we're selling low and it's not like we've even got the oppurtunity to go back out and use it for Goldschmitd or Walker or whomever.

We're likely just give up a decent prospect to save 15M(vs 22M) and I think he'll be worth it to us. Give him a 2nd year.

 

Even if you can dump the salary, for what? Now you're losing Adames and Hoskins and getting? 

You're selling low. If you could have traded him and picked up Goldschmidt, fine, but he's gone, Walker, even guys like Santana. It's just a hole in your lineup(unless you get Yellich to play 1B and that seems unlikely, and you still don't have a great lineup vs LHP.

Another year, better BABIP...I'll bet .800 OPS or higher 28 HRs or higher.

[umphrey]

Scenario 1: they trade Hoskins for a pure salary dump with no other pieces moving back and forth. He is replaced with a Josh Bell type player. The money savings is used elsewhere. This is only possible if other teams think Hoskins is significantly better than a Josh Bell type, so assuming they aren’t stupid, this is a downgrade at 1B for us. Or it’s just not possible.

 

scenario 2: we trade Hoskins and package him with prospects to help salary dump him. This is essentially just selling prospects for cash, and putting us at risk for another FA bust at 1B.

 

scenario 3: we trade him for some other bad contract. I don’t know of too many candidates right now, but I’m sure they are out there. If we are taking a bad contract though, what better candidate can there be compared to Hoskins himself? We need a 1B, we need power, he’s on a 1 year deal. 
 

this is why I just want to keep him. The only other thing I might be interested in is if they could pull off a trade for a legit high quality 1B, then they would have to do 2 or 3, but it would blow out our MiLB system pretty bad to both bring in a good player AND salary dump Hoskins. 

[Devinep]

Yes just keep Hoskins for a bunch of reasons:

-it’d be selling low after last year and he’s been good every other year 

-the team needs power

-there is no other full time 1B on the roster (Black sucks at infield)

-I am not confident the brewers would reinvest the $ saved

-some of the 1B free agents are gone now 

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Goldschmidt just signed for $12.5M one year deal.  I think he and Hoskins have similar value so believe that is what teams would figure to be a fair salary for Hoskins. Meaning, if we trade Hoskins, we would need to eat $10M in cash just to trade him. Or package prospects to offset that salary.

No thank you.  I would rather keep Hoskins and hope for a bounce back season.

[long ball]

3 hours ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

Goldschmidt just signed for $12.5M one year deal.  I think he and Hoskins have similar value so believe that is what teams would figure to be a fair salary for Hoskins. Meaning, if we trade Hoskins, we would need to eat $10M in cash just to trade him. Or package prospects to offset that salary.

No thank you.  I would rather keep Hoskins and hope for a bounce back season.

 

ya I think after seeing the deal Goldy got, there's no reason to try to dump Hoskins. We can at least dream on a bounce back season 1 year further out from the injury. 

[owbc]

On 12/21/2024 at 4:59 PM, harmony said:

Would anyone trade Rhys Hoskins to Seattle for outfielder/DH Mitch Haniger and corner infielder Tyler Locklear?

The Mariners would be taking on money because Hoskins is owed $18 million in 2025 plus a $4 million buyout of a 2026 mutual option. Haniger is owed $15.5 million to $17 million next season in the final year of his contract.

Steamer's 2025 projections for Hoskins include a 106 wRC+, 26 HR and 0.8 WAR in 133 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/rhys-hoskins/16472/stats?position=1B#dashboard

Steamer's 2025 projections for Haniger include a 95 wRC+, 15 HR and 0.0 WAR in 105 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/mitch-haniger/14274/stats?position=OF#dashboard

Steamer's 2025 projections for Locklear include a 100 wRC+, 6 HR and 0.3 WAR in 50 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/tyler-locklear/31396/stats?position=1B#dashboard

The 24-year-old Locklear, who made a brief appearance in MLB.com's midseason Top 100 prospect list, would come with six years of team control.

Baseball Trade Values suggests a Hoskins-for-Haniger trade would require cash from Seattle:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/180410

Woud Seattle even consider that trade?

Seattle apparently offered Carlos Santana more money than Cleveland, so they appear interested in spending at 1B. 

They will probably try to re-sign Justin Turner next. If that doesn't work out, I could see some potential interest in Hoskins. Dipoto likes to unload dead contracts, which would make him potentially interested in clearing Haniger's money and opening up that roster spot.

Locklear looked overmatched by MLB pitching in 2024, but he's young and likely projects for a Rowdy Tellez-like career. He's currently considered the 10th ranked prospect in Seattle's system.

Personally I think Seattle would prefer to send more cash back and/or a lower ranked player than Locklear. In which case I think the Brewers would rather just eat the Hoskins contract since they need to get a 1B back and Haniger is entirely dead money, he would never actually play for the Brewers. 

 

[rickh150]

Getting long term corners is where it is at for the Brewers.  Addressing one of those this offseason would be great. Trading prospects, Black, Hoskins, whatever….getting corners are needed for the lineup considering our catching, middle IF and OF are somewhat set for 6-9 years.