Coby Mayo

[liveforoctober]

I'm not too proud to start the convo. What kind of trade package do you think this would require?

 

 

[sveumrules]

Orioles apparently weren’t willing to move him for one year of Burnes (or maybe the Brewers preferred Ortiz all along).

Peralta isn’t as good as Burnes, but it’s two years instead of one. That might be ballpark value wise, but I don’t see the Brewers moving Freddy with injuries already popping up in the rotation.

Assuming BAL is looking for MLB arms or close to it in return I’d guess a couple guys out of Misio, Tobias. Gasser, Henderson and Yoho would be must includes.

That probably isn’t enough to get them all the way there so add somebody from the Wilken, Boeve, Yophery, Payne, Bitonti, Adams position player group to get over the finish line.

There’s also some chance the Brewers eval on Mayo is that he won’t be an MLB calibre defender at 3B so they wouldn’t be comfortable meeting the Orioles big ask for a guy they see ending up at the bottom of the defensive spectrum.

[tmwiese55]

Its too bad our starting pitching got hit by injuries so don't really have the depth to trade from like one would've thought a month ago.   Aside from current SP you'd think their next would be to get younger prospects not close to needing 40 man spots, which presumably we should match up well with them.  Just too bad we can't even afford to give up a current innings eater type like Cortes/Civale to fit that urgent need for them.     

Really, Bal and MIA for Alcantara really make a lot of sense.

[Scooterfletcher]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

Orioles apparently weren’t willing to move him for one year of Burnes (or maybe the Brewers preferred Ortiz all along).

Peralta isn’t as good as Burnes, but it’s two years instead of one. That might be ballpark value wise, but I don’t see the Brewers moving Freddy with injuries already popping up in the rotation.

Assuming BAL is looking for MLB arms or close to it in return I’d guess a couple guys out of Misio, Tobias. Gasser, Henderson and Yoho would be must includes.

That probably isn’t enough to get them all the way there so add somebody from the Wilken, Boeve, Yophery, Payne, Bitonti, Adams position player group to get over the finish line.

There’s also some chance the Brewers eval on Mayo is that he won’t be an MLB calibre defender at 3B so they wouldn’t be comfortable meeting the Orioles big ask for a guy they see ending up at the bottom of the defensive spectrum.

You really think Baltimore would expext 2 of the 5 aforementioned pitchers plus Boeve/Wilken for a guy about to spend another year in AAA?  

[sveumrules]

24 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

You really think Baltimore would expext 2 of the 5 aforementioned pitchers plus Boeve/Wilken for a guy about to spend another year in AAA?  

When that guy is ranked #14 by both MLB and BA, and they have no motivation to trade him (so any hopeful acquiring team will have to overpay)...yes.

[Lloyd330]

Pratt and Misiorowski for Mayo and Chase Allsup

 

[ghostdrew]

23 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Pratt and Misiorowski for Mayo and Chase Allsup

 

Are u crazy no way the brewers do that

[Lloyd330]

25 minutes ago, ghostdrew said:

Are u crazy no way the brewers do that

Need to take off the Homer sunglasses - Pratt is a nice SS prospect who has a comp of Amed Rosario. 

 

Mayo is Riley

[wiguy94]

55 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Need to take off the Homer sunglasses - Pratt is a nice SS prospect who has a comp of Amed Rosario. 

 

Mayo is Riley

I think it's pretty unlikely for either team to do that trade. Brewers internally view Pratt as their 1A/1B top prospect alongside Jesus Made, so I think the only way they would trade him is in a move for an MLB proven player. As for the O's, they would be trading Mayo because of an infield logjam. The big piece coming back being an infielder doesn't make much sense for them. If they are trading Mayo they'd likely want a controlled MLB SP coming back.

[nate82]

1 hour ago, Lloyd330 said:

Need to take off the Homer sunglasses - Pratt is a nice SS prospect who has a comp of Amed Rosario. 

 

Mayo is Riley

Mayo is no where near as good as Riley and I haven’t seen any scouts compare Pratt to Rosario.

I have seen some call Pratt a 4-5 win type player if he continues to add power.  Right now on his defense alone he is a 2-3 win type player.  

[ghostdrew]

2 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Need to take off the Homer sunglasses - Pratt is a nice SS prospect who has a comp of Amed Rosario. 

 

Mayo is Riley

So then why is mayo not on the Baltimore roster and where would Pratt play 

[Lloyd330]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

Mayo is no where near as good as Riley and I haven’t seen any scouts compare Pratt to Rosario.

I have seen some call Pratt a 4-5 win type player if he continues to add power.  Right now on his defense alone he is a 2-3 win type player.  

Of course not cause one has been in the Majors since 2019. Look at young Riley 

[nate82]

17 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Of course not cause one has been in the Majors since 2019. Look at young Riley 

Young Riley was regarded far better defensively than Mayo.  Young Riley was also a far better hitter than Mayo is currently.  Riley was just a far far far far better prospect than Mayo is.  Mayo has the same power as Riley but he is not the hitter that Riley was as a prospect.

I am not convinced Mayo will be able to stick at 3B he just doesn't have the foot work to stay there and he will have to move to 1B. 

[Lloyd330]

11 hours ago, nate82 said:

Young Riley was regarded far better defensively than Mayo.  Young Riley was also a far better hitter than Mayo is currently.  Riley was just a far far far far better prospect than Mayo is.  Mayo has the same power as Riley but he is not the hitter that Riley was as a prospect.

I am not convinced Mayo will be able to stick at 3B he just doesn't have the foot work to stay there and he will have to move to 1B. 

Mayo

Mayo Age 21 season

Riley

Riley age 21 season

 

If your going say things, just be able to back them up. The highest Riley was ranked was mid 30's. 

 

[bigred]

13 hours ago, nate82 said:

Young Riley was regarded far better defensively than Mayo.  Young Riley was also a far better hitter than Mayo is currently.  Riley was just a far far far far better prospect than Mayo is.  Mayo has the same power as Riley but he is not the hitter that Riley was as a prospect.

I am not convinced Mayo will be able to stick at 3B he just doesn't have the foot work to stay there and he will have to move to 1B. 

Even if that ends up being the case, I'd still love a trade for Mayo. We'll need a starting 1B next year, once Hoskins leaves. 

[bigred]

2 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Mayo

Mayo Age 21 season

Riley

Riley age 21 season

 

If your going say things, just be able to back them up. The highest Riley was ranked was mid 30's. 

 

 

Their #'s look very comparable to me. 

[liveforoctober]

9 hours ago, bigred said:

Even if that ends up being the case, I'd still love a trade for Mayo. We'll need a starting 1B next year, once Hoskins leaves. 

I think this is where my head immediately went as well. I know his price tag would be high, but if there is any friction between he and the Orioles right now that softens the ask... you have an option at 3B (which we may or may not still need) and if it doesn't pan out there seems to be a big opening over at 1B next year that he can run with.

[nate82]

13 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

If your going say things, just be able to back them up. The highest Riley was ranked was mid 30's. 

I was going by the scouting reports not actual results.  All of the scouting reports had Riley as a 4-5 win player and Mayo is more along the 2-3 win player.  Why?  Because Riley is better defensively than Mayo is.  Therefore Riley was the better prospect than Mayo and no ranking doesn't matter.  Mayo's K% is starting to become concerning.  Him going back to AAA is probably all about that K% and his defense at 3B.  The Orioles are probably starting to see him as a 1B.  Other teams are probably evaluating him now as a 1B and not a 3B.  Though for whatever reason ZIPS believes in him at 3B.  I think most scouts don't believe he can stick at 3B because of the footwork issues.  He loses about 1 full win going from 3B to 1B. 

Also you may want to check out Cooper Pratt and Austin Riley at the same age.  The only difference is SLG and OBP.  Pratt has a higher OBP while Riley had a higher SLG.  Pratt also played at a higher level than Riley did at the same age though those games are not really significant with only 23 games played. 

 

Also if you think the Orioles are going to come down on their price tag for Mayo you are kidding yourself.  They are not going to come down on that price tag no matter what is going on between them and Mayo. 

[jay87shot]

I would think any phone call to Baltimore starts with Freddy and with our rotation the way it is now that won't work.  Maybe come some point in May when Woody, Hall, Ashby, and Myers are back or close it could be worked out. If the O's would want prospects I would think that the O's would want 2 of our top arms and one of the 3rd/1st prospects. Since they have a stacked roster of everyday players my guess would be Misi, Yoho/Henderson/Meccage, Bitonti, which I wouldn't do. 

The who does Pratt profile to debate is more like Dansby Swanson for me at this point. There is some room that if he adds power he could still have some Gunnar Henderson upside but for now with the defense a bit ahead of the bat Dansby is my comp.

[nate82]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

The who does Pratt profile to debate is more like Dansby Swanson for me at this point. There is some room that if he adds power he could still have some Gunnar Henderson upside but for now with the defense a bit ahead of the bat Dansby is my comp.

Pratt has so much room to grow.  He is 6-3 and about 200lbs.  Gunnar is 6-3 220.  Another 6-3 shortstop would be Tulowitzki.  Yelich is also the same size and weight as Pratt.  So yeah low end Dansby and at a high end I would put him similar to Yelich.  If he adds more power probably closer to Tulo than Yelich.  Next year will be the season to find out who Pratt is or isn’t.

[sveumrules]

Yeah, lots of ways Pratt could still go. How about a JJ Hardy comp?

I'd take an eight year run with 4600 PAs of 96 wRC+ and 24.1 WAR like JJ put up from 2007-14.

Not sure it's reasonable to project Pratt to be a Top 5 or so defensive SS of the SABR era like Hardy has been to this point, but essentially the rough framework is something like league average offense with plus SS defense shakes out to around three WAR or so annually.

Obviously plenty of time to add some ceiling with the bat still, but even if Cooper "only" ever ends up in the neighborhood of Dansby (101 wRC+ and 24.7 WAR over 3922 PAs from 2018-present) or JJ that would still be a really successful outcome and doesn't seem like too much of a stretch given what he's shown so far.

[nate82]

From the scouts I have talked with about Pratt they are impressed with his feel for the strike zone.  Which is evident with his OBP.  What scouts are dreaming on is his potential to add more power. 

[duewizard]

On 3/20/2025 at 9:52 AM, bigred said:

Even if that ends up being the case, I'd still love a trade for Mayo. We'll need a starting 1B next year, once Hoskins leaves. 

Martinez, Boeve, Wilken, Black, Clarke are all good internal options that dont cost us anything

[bigred]

1 hour ago, duewizard said:

Martinez, Boeve, Wilken, Black, Clarke are all good internal options that dont cost us anything

Not nearly at Mayos' level though. Especially offensively. This trade won't happen anyway, so it really doesn't matter. 

Edited March 21, 2025 by bigred

[umphrey]

Pratt and Mis is probably one of the more realistic trade proposals. Baltimore could go a little younger with Pratt so they clear an immediate log jam plus get some pitching. We just don't have any other SP to offer like Freddy. 

It's been mentioned though, I think we would get out bid by a team with a better offer that includes better MLB starting pitching.