Oliver Dunn optioned down.... Caleb Durbin gets the call

[yfinn6]

I like Oliver Dunn but he's almost too passive at the plate. Hopefully he can find his stride and get another crack as he can play some good D and has good wheels. There's got to be more offense in his torpedo bat. 

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

He’s 23 and other than limiting walks, what else is there for him to work on? He has enough to be a reliever now, I imagine.

I appreciate the walk rate is exceptionally poor but he still allows very few baserunners 

In AAA! There isn’t a Kyle Tucker, Arenado, Bryan Reynolds, Freddie Freeman, et al. in AAA.  Those type of batters won’t be fooled as easily as AAA batters and will punish mistakes more. Until Misiorowski can consistently command his stuff there’s no reason to even consider him.

As for Dunn, the Brewers gave him two bites at the apple in the majors and he didn’t seize the opportunity. Since the did trade for him intuition says he will likely get another shot but he is likely the 40th man on the roster (maybe 38 or 39 depending on views of Thomas and Capra) so there is some urgency for him to go to AAA and perform. 

[liveforoctober]

I wonder if Boston will give us back our PTBNL for Dunn? :)

[duewizard]

47 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

I wonder if Boston will give us back our PTBNL for Dunn? :)

Mendez has been performing well in AA in the early going  (.833 OPS). Bob Moore struggled at the same level last year (.687) but seems to have figured it out through the first 7 games (1.328)

[Frisbee Slider]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Until Misiorowski can consistently command his stuff there’s no reason to even consider him.

Hader’s 2017 walk rate in AAA was very similar to Misiorowski. 

Back to Dunn: wish him well. Maybe he regains something in Nashville.

[brewmann04]

Brewers going to have to go outside if looking for help at 3rd 

[TURBO]

What a shock that our Dunn/Capra experiment bombed.

 

[TURBO]

Is Durbin really our next man up?  I thought he didn't have the arm for 3B, or the defense in general?

[RobertCrawley]

1 hour ago, brewmann04 said:

Brewers going to have to go outside if looking for help at 3rd 

We'll see. Maybe Durbo has the magic.

[wiguy94]

3 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Hader’s 2017 walk rate in AAA was very similar to Misiorowski. 

Back to Dunn: wish him well. Maybe he regains something in Nashville.

Hader had a 13.6% walk rate in AAA in 2017. Misiorowski has a 15.6% walk rate. I wouldn't say that's very similar.

[Frisbee Slider]

4 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Hader had a 13.6% walk rate in AAA in 2017. Misiorowski has a 15.6% walk rate. I wouldn't say that's very similar.

Hader 5.4 BB/9 IP (2017) 1.22 minor league career WHIP

Misiorowski: 5.5 BB/9 (2024) 1.22 career WHIP

Using full season and career samples, they profile similarly 

[brewers4eric]

For a platoon to work, both sides of it have to produce.  We weren't getting anything out of Dunn and Capra so it is time to give Durbin his shot.  I like Dunn, but the amount of time that he missed last year may have really set him back.   

[BrewerFan]

14 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

He’s 23 and other than limiting walks, what else is there for him to work on? He has enough to be a reliever now, I imagine.

I appreciate the walk rate is exceptionally poor but he still allows very few baserunners 

He had enough to be a reliever for the last two years. 

I don't think their goal is for him to be a reliever and I don't think we need a reliever. 

If they do, they have options that don't need to be Misiorowski. They've already brought up Henderson, Yoho seems like he'll be on deck. The back of the pen looks pretty dominant right now with Megill, Uribe, Koenig, Mears, Hudson, Grant Anderson hasn't been awful and they've got...a lot of guys on their way back. I'd prefer to leave Misiorowski in AAA and continue building. Then, in Sept, unless he takes a bit jump, call him up at that point. 

Hopefully Ashby, Witchrowski, Hall, Myers, Woodruff, and whoever I'm forgetting. 

 

If it's for a spot start or two, fine, but as long as he's got the stuff to be an ace, I'm going to want to see him brought along slowly.

 

[SF70]

11 hours ago, duewizard said:

Mendez has been performing well in AA in the early going  (.833 OPS). Bob Moore struggled at the same level last year (.687) but seems to have figured it out through the first 7 games (1.328)

Mendez has hit a grand total of 12 HR’s in almost 1,100 minor-league AB’s with an ISO under 1.00, so almost zero impact.  And yes Bob Moore is off to a nice 23 AB start in his repeat AA season, after his below .700 OPS season last year.

 

[Jopal78]

11 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Hader’s 2017 walk rate in AAA was very similar to Misiorowski. 

 

 Hader pitching in Colorado Springs in 2017 vs. Misiorowski’s career minor league numbers? Ok. 

[Frisbee Slider]

27 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

 Hader pitching in Colorado Springs in 2017 vs. Misiorowski’s career minor league numbers? Ok. 

Hader’s 2017 walk rate versus Misiorowski’s 2024 walk rate.

Plus, both players career WHIP.

The strike zones are similarly sized in Colorado Springs as they are in Nashville. I appreciate someone might want to nibble at the corners a little bit more in Colorado, though. 🙂

[folly412]

11 hours ago, brewmann04 said:

Brewers going to have to go outside if looking for help at 3rd 

Agree.  Would be great to spot a rental to hold the position down for the year.  Durbin / Capra is still a platoon with perhaps a better bat but worse defense. 

[Underachiever]

10 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Hader had a 13.6% walk rate in AAA in 2017. Misiorowski has a 15.6% walk rate. I wouldn't say that's very similar.

I'm reminded of this, somehow.

[duewizard]

3 hours ago, SF70 said:

Mendez has hit a grand total of 12 HR’s in almost 1,100 minor-league AB’s with an ISO under 1.00, so almost zero impact.  And yes Bob Moore is off to a nice 23 AB start in his repeat AA season, after his below .700 OPS season last year.

 

I mean they got traded for Oliver Dunn they were fringe top 30 prospects if that. They've done ok but the big leagues are far far away.

I personally dont see ISO as a way to analyse impact because baseball is way more layered than that but whatever Mendez was known to lack power

[wiguy94]

7 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Hader 5.4 BB/9 IP (2017) 1.22 minor league career WHIP

Misiorowski: 5.5 BB/9 (2024) 1.22 career WHIP

Using full season and career samples, they profile similarly 

BB% is far better for comparing a pitchers BB-rate than BB/9. Why would you want to go by inning rather than by batters faced to determine who walks more hitters? You face 4 hitters in an inning and walk 1 and someone else faced 6 hitters in an inning and walked 1. They both have 1 BB/9 one has a 25% BB-rate and the other a 17% BB-rate. Those are not the same thing. 15.6% and 13.6% are not pitchers who walk hitters similar amounts. 
 

Just for reference there were 351 pitchers last season to throw 50 innings in MLB. The highest BB% was 14.7% almost a full percent lower than Misiorowski. Post-COVID there have been 1393 pitcher seasons with 50 IP. Only 11 had a BB% higher than 15.

[Frisbee Slider]

@wiguy94Thank you. If Hader and Misiorowski have identical minor league career WHIP and the primary objective of pitching is minimizing walks and hits, can we agree Hader and Misiorowski are similar with WHIP?

I agree with the points that we don’t need Misiorowski in Milwaukee in April. Just pushing back on the idea we need to wait another full season or more before calling him up.

[duewizard]

27 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

@wiguy94Thank you. If Hader and Misiorowski have identical minor league career WHIP and the primary objective of pitching is minimizing walks and hits, can we agree Hader and Misiorowski are similar with WHIP?

I agree with the points that we don’t need Misiorowski in Milwaukee in April. Just pushing back on the idea we need to wait another full season or more before calling him up.

I think he needs to be in Milwaukee in September if he performs well during the year. See how he does vs real big leaguers and work from there

[wiguy94]

17 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

@wiguy94Thank you. If Hader and Misiorowski have identical minor league career WHIP and the primary objective of pitching is minimizing walks and hits, can we agree Hader and Misiorowski are similar with WHIP?

I agree with the points that we don’t need Misiorowski in Milwaukee in April. Just pushing back on the idea we need to wait another full season or more before calling him up.

I’m not sure why you changed the subject matter from BB-rate to WHIP when the discussion was about Misiorowski’s walk issues. Unless you think Misiorowski can suppress hits in the MLB against the best hitters in the world at the level he has done in the minors then his minor league WHIP doesn’t really matter.

[liveforoctober]

6 hours ago, brewers4eric said:

For a platoon to work, both sides of it have to produce.  We weren't getting anything out of Dunn and Capra so it is time to give Durbin his shot.  I like Dunn, but the amount of time that he missed last year may have really set him back.   

Typically a platoon is a left/right combo so you can match against pitchers. Capra/Durbin isn't much of a platoon save maybe late inning defense. If Durbin hits, he is going to be the everyday 3rd baseman. If he doesn't .. we start window shopping with other clubs.

[Frisbee Slider]

I apologize. Instead of saying walk rate, I should have said BB/9. The BB/9 of Hader’s last season in AAA is similar to Misiorowski in 2024.

Yes, ballparks play a factor, too. My previous post(s) also referenced career WHIP.

My point was excitement for hopefully seeing Misiorowski in Milwaukee this year. 
I’m excited to see Durbin this week, too.

I will try to be more precise next time 🙂