Braves at Brewers; Monday, June 9 @ 6:40 p.m.: Aaron Civale (5.19 ERA, 5.49 FIP) vs. Chris Sale (2.93 ERA, 2.92 FIP)

[BruisedCrew]

Not a good night for the relievers.

[yourout]

I think I could have hit that one out. 

That was one of the fattest of fat ones I've ever seen.

[edfunderburk]

I gained a little false hope during the Brewers recent hot streak … but this is a .500 team that can’t beat six or more NL teams that will make the playoffs 

Hopefully they catch fire & prove me wrong or fade so we can offload a few players before the trade deadline next month 

I’m excited for the future Brewers but I’ve accepted that this group is nothing special … mediocre to the core 

[JRob1125]

I've been following this team since 1997 (I was 11 years old), is this offense worse than the early 2000s or am I just not remembering how bad those lineups were? Serious question.

 

I wouldn't mind a Geoff Jenkins or Richie Sexson in this lineup

[yourout]

This version of the Brewers is really hard to watch.

[RobertCrawley]

We're just not very good at hitting baseballs, are we?

[ClearWaterWI]

9 minutes ago, JRob1125 said:

I've been following this team since 1997 (I was 11 years old), is this offense worse than the early 2000s or am I just not remembering how bad those lineups were? Serious question.

 

I wouldn't mind a Geoff Jenkins or Richie Sexson in this lineup

I’d even take Ronnie Belliard

[Brewer77]

I guess Grant Anderson is only good when they throw him every day

[adambr2]

19 minutes ago, JRob1125 said:

I've been following this team since 1997 (I was 11 years old), is this offense worse than the early 2000s or am I just not remembering how bad those lineups were? Serious question.

 

I wouldn't mind a Geoff Jenkins or Richie Sexson in this lineup

The “best” hitter on this team has a .792 OPS.

That is a 9 hole hitter in L.A or New York.

It’s a serious, serious problem. They are numerous hitters away.

[yfinn6]

13 minutes ago, ClearWaterWI said:

I’d even take Ronnie Belliard

Is Keith Ginter available?

 

[TURBO]

44 minutes ago, wntrtxn21 said:

The Brewer whiff boys are out once again. 11 Ks in only 18 outs. Extremely difficult to win when they only put 7 balls in play in six innings. The Brewers meager offense has now scored a total of 5 runs in 33 innings. 

To be fair, Sale was straight up dealing...

[HarryDoyle]

Even the worst of offenses have a 10 game heater or two every year. Ours is far in the rearview mirror. 

[adambr2]

3 minutes ago, TURBO said:

To be fair, Sale was straight up dealing...

This is true, but this has been a problem a lot more than just tonight.

[edfunderburk]

22 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

We're just not very good at hitting baseballs, are we?

Gunsmoke is much more exciting to watch

[edfunderburk]

31 minutes ago, yourout said:

This version of the Brewers is really hard to watch.

Gunsmoke was awesome 

[wibadgers23]

Why are they doing a dual post game show with Braves people?  Did I miss something?

[ClearWaterWI]

5 runs in 36 innings

[Pugger]

21 minutes ago, TURBO said:

To be fair, Sale was straight up dealing...

But we couldn't do squat once he left.  This Braves team isn't that great so losing to them like this is pretty dreadful.

[yourout]

12 minutes ago, ClearWaterWI said:

5 runs in 36 innings

And only scored in four out of 36 innings.

[Pugger]

16 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Why are they doing a dual post game show with Braves people?  Did I miss something?

This is odd for sure.  Perhaps this may explain why we had a devil of a time finding the stream tonight on prime video.

Perhaps we might have better off not watching that mess......

[yfinn6]

23 minutes ago, ClearWaterWI said:

5 runs in 36 innings

While at home, nonetheless. 

[wallus]

Would rather find out now than after the trade deadline 

[RightFieldCoder]

1 hour ago, JRob1125 said:

I've been following this team since 1997 (I was 11 years old), is this offense worse than the early 2000s or am I just not remembering how bad those lineups were? Serious question.

I looked up the 2002 (106 loss) season. The Brewers OPS was .711.

Before today's game the Brewers OPS was .677. So yes, it seems like they are hitting worse than those bad teams. Especially since that .711 number includes the pitchers of that team. This year's team hits like there are 2-3 pitchers in the lineup.

I'm glad I chose to watch WWE Raw tonight.

[Frisbee Slider]

9 hours ago, JRob1125 said:

is this offense worse than the early 2000s or am I just not remembering how bad those lineups were? Serious question.

I remember the 2002 Brewers having some offense with Sexson, Jenkins, Houston and Hernandez. It was likely a different offensive era 20+ years ago, though.

Pitching was bad for quite awhile back then for Brewers.

[endaround]

2 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

I remember the 2002 Brewers having some offense with Sexson, Jenkins, Houston and Hernandez. It was likely a different offensive era 20+ years ago, though.

Pitching was bad for quite awhile back then for Brewers.

Fangraphs has data with wRC+ for that team. Players with greater than 300 PAs:

Name	Team	G	PA	HR	R	RBI	SB	wRC+
Richie Sexson	MIL	157	652	29	86	102	0	125.9809358
José Hernández	MIL	152	582	24	72	73	3	118.6010597
Matt Stairs	MIL	107	315	16	41	41	2	115.8978079
Jeffrey Hammonds	MIL	128	510	9	47	41	4	93.04584964
Eric Young Sr.	MIL	138	553	3	57	28	31	88.86027045
Alex Sanchez	MIL	112	435	1	55	33	37	87.79320754
Ronnie Belliard	MIL	104	317	3	30	26	2	41.843211

 

So when compared to current qualified players:

Name	Team	G	PA	HR	R	RBI	SB	wRC+
Rhys Hoskins	MIL	63	243	9	21	36	2	120.7287315
Sal Frelick	MIL	64	253	4	25	21	12	112.2326385
Christian Yelich	MIL	64	272	13	34	41	10	106.4198555
Brice Turang	MIL	64	275	4	43	25	15	101.6128029
William Contreras	MIL	62	264	5	35	27	5	99.42435652
Jackson Chourio	MIL	66	296	10	39	37	13	95.59571267
Joey Ortiz	MIL	65	226	2	23	9	6	44.81681666

 

The two teams are similar.  Belliard was limited to 317 PAs for the season.  Ortiz is on pace to smash that.