Hypothetical: What would Priester, Patrick AND Henderson together equal in terms of best controllable position player

[Scooterfletcher]

In thinking I don’t want to part with our top prospects this deadline,  how good of a player or two could we get with the above names?

[wiguy94]

Nothing because the Brewers would never trade 3 controllable MLB level pitchers.

[Scooterfletcher]

17 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Nothing because the Brewers would never trade 3 controllable MLB level pitchers.

I expect these types of responses.   I am more interested in the more astute posters that play along and answer:  “How close are these three to Jose Ramirez” level posters though.

[sveumrules]

29 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I expect these types of responses.   I am more interested in the more astute posters that play along and answer:  “How close are these three to Jose Ramirez” level posters though.

Scrolling around BTV they say Priester (15.5), Henderson (13.0) and Patrick (10.6) are worth around 39.1 million in surplus value.

They say Ramirez is worth around 55.7 million in surplus value. 

[jay87shot]

4 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Scrolling around BTV they say Priester (15.5), Henderson (13.0) and Patrick (10.6) are worth around 39.1 million in surplus value.

They say Ramirez is worth around 55.7 million in surplus value. 

I think those btv's values are a little low. Ramirez would still be a bit high, maybe Ketel Marte and a prospect might be close (Dbacks eat some salary). A young guy like James Wood would be interesting but Nats wouldn't do. Jeremy Pena would be interesting if he had more control. Jacob Wilson would be maybe my top theoretical option.

[Scooterfletcher]

26 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Scrolling around BTV they say Priester (15.5), Henderson (13.0) and Patrick (10.6) are worth around 39.1 million in surplus value.

They say Ramirez is worth around 55.7 million in surplus value. 

I”d throw in Boeve and Ernesto and see if Cleveland would accept that.

And if I could get Marte and Lawler for this trio and Boeve as an example, I’d accept in a heart beat. 

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I”d throw in Boeve and Ernesto and see if Cleveland would accept that.

And if I could get Marte and Lawler for this trio and Boeve as an example, I’d accept in a heart beat. 

Ernesto has no trade value.

[BrewerFan]

15 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Nothing because the Brewers would never trade 3 controllable MLB level pitchers.

Of course they would for the right player...and I can think of a dozen players that they'd do this for. You're talking about #3/4 starters. And that's valuable obviously. 

You'd still have Myers who is right in that group of pitchers, you still have Gasser, Misiorowski, Peralta, you have Quintana and Cortes the rest of this year and then you have guys like Hardin and others coming up. 

Bobby Witt Jr? In a heartbeat, don't care about the salary. Trade him in a few years if one of our SS's becomes a star. Ceddanne Rafaela, Junior Caminero, Yordan Alvarez...Acuna Jr. 

There are numerous players we'd happily give up 3 solid pitchers for. 

That's just a few position players, but how about Paul Skenes. I'll take 1 Paul Skenes over 3 good but not great players. James Woods didn't pop to my mind, nor did PCA, both of whom I'd take(the later is the best defender in the OF I've seen since Jones and probably better and he's hitting for power). 

Jackson Holliday. I'm not including more obvious players like Gunnar Henderson for instance as he's "only" got 3 more years left, but he'd really be a pretty easy call also. 

 

Oh, and Ohtani. For 2M a year? The Brewers would probably make 50M a year on that deal, get an elite #3/4 left handed power hitter, MVP, and get a top of the rotation arm!

What better time to try and negotiate a new TV deal than with Ohtani, Misi, Chourio, and ALL the rest of the guys they have coming up!

But it's silly because... nobody is going to offer those types of players. 

So what you're saying is the Brewers aren't going to empty their pitching depth for...most available players I guess? I don't know, you kinda back yourself into a bad argument when you say the is no "best possible player," the Brewers would trade for those three starting pitchers. 

 

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I think those btv's values are a little low. Ramirez would still be a bit high, maybe Ketel Marte and a prospect might be close (Dbacks eat some salary). A young guy like James Wood would be interesting but Nats wouldn't do. Jeremy Pena would be interesting if he had more control. Jacob Wilson would be maybe my top theoretical option.

No, realistically, a team is ALMOST certainly not trading a superstar position player for 3 good but not great young arms. Though...Luka happened. Betts happened. Devers. 

 

And I'm sure I'll hear why Witt or a few dozen other players don't count, but then don't make absolute statements. 

It's unlikely a team would offer enough to make a trade in which we give up three young, controllable arms. But we'd never do it? Never? 😕

[wallus]

[JCREW]

17 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

In thinking I don’t want to part with our top prospects this deadline,  how good of a player or two could we get with the above names?

I love this hypothetical. 

In a vacuum, there's a wide variety of players we could get. You could argue that because of showing actual big-league success, each of these guys is more valuable than a prospect in the 15-50 range. (maybe even 5-30). There might be two or three actually untouchable players, even for three top 50 prospects. Ohtani, Witt, Judge, Skenes. Those four are the face of MLB right now. I'd have to think anyone else in MLB could be moved for that trio. 

In reality, there are other factors like payroll flexibility, available free agents next winter, a team being large or small market, individual team strengths, blocked prospects, etc. that would probably cross a few more players off the list. 

 

[Playing Catch]

8 hours ago, JCREW said:

You could argue that because of showing actual big-league success, each of these guys is more valuable than a prospect in the 15-50 range.

The three of them, together, are worth more than the sum of their parts because of the instant depth they would provide to every single team in baseball.

[Playing Catch]

Since we're talking hypothetical trade-value, how many of those pitchers equal one Miz?

I guess I'm asking because I don't think trading him now would be a terrible idea, presuming the kind of return you could get.

Is one Misiorowski worth Gasser, Crow, Patrick, Myers, AND Henderson?

[liveforoctober]

12 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Since we're talking hypothetical trade-value, how many of those pitchers equal one Miz?

I guess I'm asking because I don't think trading him now would be a terrible idea, presuming the kind of return you could get.

Is one Misiorowski worth Gasser, Crow, Patrick, Myers, AND Henderson?

It's a dollar bill or 4 quarters scenario. Bad teams don't need dollars, they need quarters to raise their floor. Good teams have a high floor and are looking to raise their ceiling.. they want the dollars (all things equal).

Miz is a dollar bill. The Brewers have a bazillion quarters currently.  Us trading Miz to acquire 5 more arms would give us like 16 starting quality pitchers and that doesn't help us right now.

Hard pass on trading Miz.

[Playing Catch]

1 hour ago, liveforoctober said:

It's a dollar bill or 4 quarters scenario. Bad teams don't need dollars, they need quarters to raise their floor. Good teams have a high floor and are looking to raise their ceiling.. they want the dollars (all things equal).

Miz is a dollar bill. The Brewers have a bazillion quarters currently.  Us trading Miz to acquire 5 more arms would give us like 16 starting quality pitchers and that doesn't help us right now.

Hard pass on trading Miz.

I agree with your metaphor completely. I wouldn't trade a dollar bill for 4 quarters of pitching, no. But a dollar-pitcher for a dollar-hitter?