Off Season Ideas

[BrewerFan]

12 hours ago, wallus said:

Apparently Marte is a diva/malcontent. 

Yeah, I found it. They're going to "listen to offers," and it all seems odd to me. He's been asking for days off and some in the organization are upset. 

Well...the organization JUST extended him. 

Unless the Yanks want to part with some top prospects(which would make sense) or...the Dodgers... which would make less sense with them being in the division.

 

A cost-controlled superstar, they'll get a few top 100 prospects back and I'd imagine a top ~20 or so. Seattle could actually be a great landing spot as well. 

Teams that either have the equity to afford it, OR that have the money to... not have to worry about prospects. 2B/3B has been an issue. Marte is an elite glove and one of the top hitters in the game in the midst of a HOF career. 

I'm still almost tempted with that player/contract to inquire about him if nothing else. Not Made or Pena, but Pratt+ 3-4 guys, but... I wouldn't want the guys we'd have to give up most likely. 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

Yeah, sign me up for that Marte contract.   6/100 (I think what is left) of that 7/115 deal seems very reasonable to me with elite production.  Anyone know his surplus value on that contract?

[jay87shot]

22 hours ago, wallus said:

Apparently Marte is a diva/malcontent. 

The article I read basically said a few player weren't happy that he takes to many days off around the all-star break. That is definitely concerning, but depending on the specifics not a deal breaker (he has had some injuries). I wouldn't really want to wreck the clubhouse but the bat (defense as well) is great would be really tempting. If we do make a move I would go for a star like Marte or Jose Ramirez (I know not available). I get that we would likely have to give up Made or Pena for him but there could be some work arounds. 

Idea 1= Dbacks get Freddy, Joey, Henderson, Wilken     

The D-backs would get much needed pitching in Freddy and Logan Henderson with a couple young bats going back.

Idea 2= D-backs get Joe Ryan, Chad Patrick,  Twins get Cooper Pratt and Jeferson Quero, Tate Kuehner

Similar to the 1st deal the D-backs get pitching, the Twins get 2 high end prospects plus more for Ryan and we a star bat with out giving up Made or Pena. 

I still don't know if I would really do either of those deals because I don't think we need a big bat but maybe come the playoffs my mind will change.

[NOMAAM]

Love Woody and hope he gets a decent sized contract.  But if I was the GM I’d steer clear of signing him.  Just can’t see that shoulder giving value.

[nate82]

4 hours ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

Anyone know his surplus value on that contract?

About $90mm in excess value.  Starting point is probably Made at a minimum and then work from there.  I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dbacks want Chourio as the starting point plus a pitching prospect like Misio and then some minor prospects.

[Lloyd330]

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/diamondbacks-ketel-marte-publicly-apologizes-for-missing-games-after-all-star-break/

[TURBO]

Well, Marte is going to be 32 next season, do we really want to pay 100 million for a guy who in the final years of his contract will be 37-38 years old?

He's had his share of injuries too, which won't get any better as he ages.

Add on the fact that his teammates have been frustrated with him...I mean, how well would a diva like him get along in our clubhouse?

These are concerns.

I'd stay the course, and see how quickly Made and Pena move through the system before spending that kind of money.

[jay87shot]

I think it will be interesting to see how payroll shakes out for next year. We will owe Yeli, Freddy, Chourio, and Ashby around 47 million and likely 16.5 in buyouts for Woody, Rhys, Q, and Jansen. I don't think our arbitration numbers will be huge after maybe Contrares and with the success of the team the payroll should go up some. We have a pretty solid roster for next year already on paper, it would be nice to add 1 big name (or keep a guy like Woody) instead of adding a bunch of lower price depth options. 

What would we think of taking a flier on a guy like Shane Bieber if Woody can't be re-signed. He had 1 nice start and could be a high end starter on a contract like Matthew Boyd signed this offseason. Bieber and Woody have pretty similar careers but since Bieber will only 6 or so starts in I doubt he will require the same commitment as Woody. Bieber is also 2 years younger than Woody

[39Streak]

I just want to say.  There is NO scenario where I would be trading Freddy this off season.  This is the window.  Milwaukee is the best team in baseball on Labor Day Weekend and have the #1 minor league system.  I have no idea what the post season has for us.  But next year we are a WS favorite and instead of trading Freddy, I am looking to leverage that minor league system to find a Freddy or two to add in a good reasonable trade.  Looking to add rather than subtract.

[KCBrewerfan34]

16 hours ago, 39Streak said:

I just want to say.  There is NO scenario where I would be trading Freddy this off season.  This is the window.  Milwaukee is the best team in baseball on Labor Day Weekend and have the #1 minor league system.  I have no idea what the post season has for us.  But next year we are a WS favorite and instead of trading Freddy, I am looking to leverage that minor league system to find a Freddy or two to add in a good reasonable trade.  Looking to add rather than subtract.

Totally agree. Unless an all-star type comes available at SS you run it back. Woody goes, I would be OK if Quintana signs for cheap. Find a lefty bat at 1B and maybe a bullpen arm. 
 

Peralta, Mis, Henderson, Patrick, Gasser, Myers, Priester and maybe Quintana is a good group, not to mention Hall and Ashby want to start as well. 

I would approach Contreras again to see if he would be interested in some security, same with Turang and Frelick 

Might be time for a blockbuster with our minor league stacked everywhere except maybe OF prospects. Arnold must be grinning in every strategy meeting :) 

 

Go Brew!!!

[Scooterfletcher]

I think we have to keep Peralta for his contract year and take the pick for the following draft.   Too much upside there for what we know will be a really good team.  

Even a month ago I probably would have been a “let’s trade him for triple the comp pick value offer” but I now think we need to keep him.

The question to me is if we should spend serious prospect capital on a SS or 3B that’s controllable via trade.   And I mean going biggish there (Brooks Lee, Zach Neto type deal).

[brewmann04]

Freddy is Leo maybe trade at the deadline. But also seeing Miz going to the Pen in the future 

[jay87shot]

I think it kind of depends on what the offers are for Freddy, if someone gives us a mlb ready top 50/75 high potential arm (and more), I would still probably trade Freddy if it is a Burnes like deal quantity over quality I would likely pass and just take the pick at the end of the year.

Where are we on 1st base next year? I am still likely on the bring Vaughn back for a year side of things, however if continues the rest of the way like he has hit the last couple weeks, I would be worried about keeping him. Burke and Adams (Wilken) are still a 1/2 season away from being ready and EMJ hasn't taken off like a bunch of us thought at the beginning of the year (or Black). Long term, I love the idea of Burke and Adams platooning 1st maybe Adams can learn to play a little OF (I think he is done with 3B) since we will have Yeli at DH for the foreseeable future. 

[Outlander]

I think a platoon of Vaughn/Black should match or exceed Hoskins/Bauers of this year. Don't really have to commit to either of them beyond 2026 if others appear ready to be called up.

[endaround]

39 minutes ago, Outlander said:

I think a platoon of Vaughn/Black should match or exceed Hoskins/Bauers of this year. Don't really have to commit to either of them beyond 2026 if others appear ready to be called up.

Hoskins had a wRC+ 113 this year.  Disappointing for Hoskins but OK while representing the best full season Vaughn has ever put up. My guess is Vaughn is back at a similar salary to this year with the hope something clicked but easy to move to the bench when/if Adams forces it.

[BrewerFan]

On 9/2/2025 at 8:29 PM, brewmann04 said:

Freddy is Leo maybe trade at the deadline. But also seeing Miz going to the Pen in the future 

I'm not understanding this line of thinking. 

I get it for THIS year with his innings. I don't agree, but I understand. But why would you want to take a guy THAT talented and make him a 1 inning pitcher?

He has 4 pitches that are all just untouchable when he locates them. It's not rare for young pitchers to have trouble locating. Randy Johnson was walking 5.7 from his first year until he turned 28. That's 6 years. 
Roy Halladay at the same age was walking 5.6 per 9. 
Nolan Ryan his first 13 seasons walked 5.6 per 9!

Guys with that type of stuff have trouble controlling it early. Some guys walk a lot and they still dominate. I cannot imagine a good reason to take a guy who... probably should still be in the minors working on his command, but was just too dominant to leave down there, why we'd slash his value so he can be the SU man or the 7th inning guy? You wouldn't have him slide in for Uribe or Megill next year. So you'd be planning on him eventually being the closer. 

 

You can have that or you could have a guy who should be ready to throw closer to 160 innings next year with another off-season. 

Can you explain the thought process behind this?  

[BrewerFan]

On 9/3/2025 at 8:51 AM, jay87shot said:

I think it kind of depends on what the offers are for Freddy, if someone gives us a mlb ready top 50/75 high potential arm (and more), I would still probably trade Freddy if it is a Burnes like deal quantity over quality I would likely pass and just take the pick at the end of the year.

Where are we on 1st base next year? I am still likely on the bring Vaughn back for a year side of things, however if continues the rest of the way like he has hit the last couple weeks, I would be worried about keeping him. Burke and Adams (Wilken) are still a 1/2 season away from being ready and EMJ hasn't taken off like a bunch of us thought at the beginning of the year (or Black). Long term, I love the idea of Burke and Adams platooning 1st maybe Adams can learn to play a little OF (I think he is done with 3B) since we will have Yeli at DH for the foreseeable future. 

DL Hall was a top 75 high potential arm... Joey Ortiz was "and more," as a highly rated SS prospect. 

I think these deals sound better in theory than they end up playing out. 

1B- We have several options. Vaughn has earned the first crack. Black, Bauers... for closer to the minimum is an option. Luke Adams, Brice Wilken, they could play first as well. Burke as you mention may end up being the best option of all of them and I don't know how far away he is. We wouldn't bring him up for the first couple months, but he's right there knocking on the door. 

You mentioned several, but it's not a position we need to worry about in the off-season. We've got depth there. 

The only real position I'd be looking to add would be another reliever. I was of the opinion that the only position I'd give up a good prospect for was a Duran, Clase...Chapman, but that was before Boston got hot. Mason Miller was never on my mind(nor was trading a prospect the caliber De Vries). 

Griffin Jax would be a guy I'd target. He's got great stuff, I think TB will likely move him and I think we can get him back to where he was last year. 

 

But I would just let that play out. 

Next year your rotation should look like
1-Peralta
2-Misiorowski
3-Priester
4/5 Myers, Henderson, Gasser, Patrick, Ashby

BP-Megill, Uribe, Jax, Mears, Hall, Koenig, 

Hopefully Wichrowski, Hardin, Manfredi, Fitzpatrick, Kuehner

Lots of arms who could compete early on in the season.

Lineup;
Frelick -RF
Contreras -C
Chourio -LF
Yelich   -DH/LF
Vaughn -1B/DH
Turang  -2B
Ortiz -SS
Mitchell -CF(at least for the start of the year)
Durbin -3B


I'm not seeing a whole lot of moves that need to be made going into next year. 
I'd LIKE to look into extending a couple players, but aside from Woodruff that's not for next years team in particular. 

-Woodruff gets a OQ and we get a 1st if we don't re-sign him. 
-Keep Peralta
-Keep Mitchell because he's so talented and his arbitration number should be below 2.5M at the most, we don't have a lot of OFers knocking on the door. 

And then you have a bunch of guys who should be knocking on the door or ready to step up in case of injury. Nearly every position should go 2 deep. 

C-Quero
1B-Burke/Black/Adams/Wilken
2B-Murray
SS-Pratt
3B-Wilken/Fischer(I think he'll move quickly and this wouldn't be ideal, but it also wouldn't be that far fetched. 
LF-Black
CF-Lockridge
RF-Setting aside the obvious depth on the MLB roster, Adams could play in the OF. It wouldn't be ideal, but he's played out there I believe. 

We've run out lineup's under Selig-Prieb that weren't much better. 
 

 

If we decide to make a "Micah Parsons" type move, Kentel Marte for Luis Pena, Fischer and Henderson would be... one you could make. Turang to SS. 

But I think this team is setting up REALLY nicely for the future. I don't see the need to make any significant moves. 

[ghostdrew]

45 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

DL Hall was a top 75 high potential arm... Joey Ortiz was "and more," as a highly rated SS prospect. 

I think these deals sound better in theory than they end up playing out. 

1B- We have several options. Vaughn has earned the first crack. Black, Bauers... for closer to the minimum is an option. Luke Adams, Brice Wilken, they could play first as well. Burke as you mention may end up being the best option of all of them and I don't know how far away he is. We wouldn't bring him up for the first couple months, but he's right there knocking on the door. 

You mentioned several, but it's not a position we need to worry about in the off-season. We've got depth there. 

The only real position I'd be looking to add would be another reliever. I was of the opinion that the only position I'd give up a good prospect for was a Duran, Clase...Chapman, but that was before Boston got hot. Mason Miller was never on my mind(nor was trading a prospect the caliber De Vries). 

Griffin Jax would be a guy I'd target. He's got great stuff, I think TB will likely move him and I think we can get him back to where he was last year. 

 

But I would just let that play out. 

Next year your rotation should look like
1-Peralta
2-Misiorowski
3-Priester
4/5 Myers, Henderson, Gasser, Patrick, Ashby

BP-Megill, Uribe, Jax, Mears, Hall, Koenig, 

Hopefully Wichrowski, Hardin, Manfredi, Fitzpatrick, Kuehner

Lots of arms who could compete early on in the season.

Lineup;
Frelick -RF
Contreras -C
Chourio -LF
Yelich   -DH/LF
Vaughn -1B/DH
Turang  -2B
Ortiz -SS
Mitchell -CF(at least for the start of the year)
Durbin -3B


I'm not seeing a whole lot of moves that need to be made going into next year. 
I'd LIKE to look into extending a couple players, but aside from Woodruff that's not for next years team in particular. 

-Woodruff gets a OQ and we get a 1st if we don't re-sign him. 
-Keep Peralta
-Keep Mitchell because he's so talented and his arbitration number should be below 2.5M at the most, we don't have a lot of OFers knocking on the door. 

And then you have a bunch of guys who should be knocking on the door or ready to step up in case of injury. Nearly every position should go 2 deep. 

C-Quero
1B-Burke/Black/Adams/Wilken
2B-Murray
SS-Pratt
3B-Wilken/Fischer(I think he'll move quickly and this wouldn't be ideal, but it also wouldn't be that far fetched. 
LF-Black
CF-Lockridge
RF-Setting aside the obvious depth on the MLB roster, Adams could play in the OF. It wouldn't be ideal, but he's played out there I believe. 

We've run out lineup's under Selig-Prieb that weren't much better. 
 

 

If we decide to make a "Micah Parsons" type move, Kentel Marte for Luis Pena, Fischer and Henderson would be... one you could make. Turang to SS. 

But I think this team is setting up REALLY nicely for the future. I don't see the need to make any significant moves. 

Where is isaac Collins or Luis Lara both better than Tyler black 

[harrydalton]

Collins was mostly a 2B in the minors. How good was he defensively? If it's in the cards to move Turang back to SS Collins  seems to be the prime candidate at second if he's good defensively. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

3 minutes ago, harrydalton said:

Collins was mostly a 2B in the minors. How good was he defensively? If it's in the cards to move Turang back to SS Collins  seems to be the prime candidate at second if he's good defensively. 

Ortiz started very slow (perhaps the position switch had something to do with it), but he was very good in August, and just turned 27. Unless something crazy happens, I think he has SS locked down for the foreseeable future.

[harrydalton]

Ortiz is not a significantly better SS than a healthy Turang (arm) or nearly as good offensively as Collins. "Foreseeable" in your lexicon must be a short term with Pratt, Made and others progressing rapidly through the minors.

[TURBO]

It's a mistake to count on Mitchell at all.

Collins is a starting OFer in 2026, book it!

[BrewerFan]

14 hours ago, TURBO said:

It's a mistake to count on Mitchell at all.

Collins is a starting OFer in 2026, book it!

It's not like they're going to give up Chourio, Frelick, Collins, Perkins(Yelich) or anyone else because you have Mitchell. "Counting" on him would consist of using an option on Lockridge. 

Yeah, I was gonna do a bench and then I just did a whole... kinda second lineup... and yes, I forgot Lara, but what I'd initially meant to say was that Collins would be getting regular starts. LF, 2B, RF. He's clearly earned regular PT.

I just think they're going to give Mitchell a short and then it was Frelick and Chourio. The point is, I don't think they have to do a whole lot. I think they could take a big swing, ie, Marte(which would kick Turang to SS and Ortiz to a utility role) but there's a lot coming up in the farm system.

 

 

And yes, Lara would be the next up in the OF. 

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, harrydalton said:

Ortiz is not a significantly better SS than a healthy Turang (arm) or nearly as good offensively as Collins. "Foreseeable" in your lexicon must be a short term with Pratt, Made and others progressing rapidly through the minors.

If Ortiz keeps playing like he has the last few months, I think he'll keep the job for the next year at least. It's going to be hard to knock him out. And that's fine. If Pratt forces his way to an everyday role, then he becomes a very valuable trade chip. Also... if you have any injuries on the IF dirt, Ortiz can cover them IF Pratt is ready. I'd probably feel better about moving Ortiz... who has played 3B and 2B than Pratt... who has primarily been a SS. 

June 15th-today he's .281/.313/.406 and a .720 OPS
2024-.239/.329/.398 726 OPS

I think Pratt will have to come and take it from Ortiz if he plays like he has.... which is a good thing. Made, Pena, Adamczewski will play their way into the lineup maybe end of '27? Maybe Made earlier in '27, Pena later on. maybe Pena moves to CF by then(he seems like a good fit out there). 

[Lloyd330]

Offer Turang 7/100 - Buy's out 4 years of Arbitration. 

Very similar to what Andres Gimenez got