Off Season Ideas

[brewcrewdue80]

On 10/12/2025 at 6:55 PM, BrewerFan said:

He is probably going to need a year in AA and Pratt is coming up before him... and I'd like to see an extension with him like we had with Chourio. You can't force that... BUT, he's so young, I wouldn't be quite so quick to bring him up. 

As for Ortiz... I thin you're all throwing him on the scrapheap a bit too early. 

This is basically his second season. He was solid last year, especially at 3B and 

 

Also, you said he cost us 45 runs with the bases loaded. Didn't he have 16 RBIs with the bases loaded in 31 PAs? 

I'm not sure the average runs scored per AB with the bases juiced, but I don't think it's 1.5...

I glossed over the Rbi total so 29runs.  

I dont see why 1.5 RBI wouldn't be an average with bases loaded. A base hit out of the infield should score 2. Everyone is running on contact thats not a catch. Sac fly is an RBI. A gb or force out not at home would result in a RBI. He did have a Grand slam which is 4 right there.  I'm curious how he scored 13 runs with 5 hits and a walk. Would mean multiple times he got on base through an out and came around to score?

Made played some games in AA at the end. I assume he's playing winter ball somewhere. He does well down there, I don't see why he couldn't be on the team post Super 2 next season.  So idea is trade Ortiz in offseason rather than trade him mid season as a player being moved to promote Made. Pratt didnt produce enough to be 1st on the SS promotion list this season. 

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I dont see why 1.5 RBI wouldn't be an average with bases loaded

BRef says there were 4,172 PA and 2,935 RBI with the bases loaded this year.

That shakes out to an average of 0.70 RBI per PA, so your assumption is over double the league average in 2025.

[Jim French Stepstool]

3 hours ago, sveumrules said:

BRef says there were 4,172 PA and 2,935 RBI with the bases loaded this year.

That shakes out to an average of 0.70 RBI per PA, so your assumption is over double the league average in 2025.

I'm glad you credited BRef. I was ready to assume you just knew that.😁

Anything about the avg # of plate appearances in a season for a #9 hitter?

[nate82]

50 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Anything about the avg # of plate appearances in a season for a #9 hitter?

Fangraphs has it at 0.53 RBI per PA for the #9 hitter.  
 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/splits-leaderboards?splitArr=27,60&splitArrPitch=&autoPt=false&splitTeams=false&statType=mlb&statgroup=1&startDate=2025-03-01&endDate=2025-11-01&players=&filter=&groupBy=season&wxTemperature=&wxPressure=&wxAirDensity=&wxElevation=&wxWindSpeed=&position=B&sort=23,1

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I glossed over the Rbi total so 29runs.  

I dont see why 1.5 RBI wouldn't be an average with bases loaded. A base hit out of the infield should score 2. Everyone is running on contact thats not a catch. Sac fly is an RBI. A gb or force out not at home would result in a RBI. He did have a Grand slam which is 4 right there.  I'm curious how he scored 13 runs with 5 hits and a walk. Would mean multiple times he got on base through an out and came around to score?

Made played some games in AA at the end. I assume he's playing winter ball somewhere. He does well down there, I don't see why he couldn't be on the team post Super 2 next season.  So idea is trade Ortiz in offseason rather than trade him mid season as a player being moved to promote Made. Pratt didnt produce enough to be 1st on the SS promotion list this season. 

Yeah, I understand how runs score with the bases loaded.. but you didn't address the average. Just that... 2 people score on a base hit(which isn't always the case at all). A sac fly scores one... unless there are 2 outs and then there's no sac fly. 

And Made came up and played like 3 games in AA. You assuming this 18 year old kid is going to jump to the MLB level is... WAAAY too much.

You're assuming he's appreciably AHEAD of Chourio's pace... while playing SS. 

 

I HOPE he's Jackson Chourio. Though... on that front, he's spending probably most of last year(at LEAST part of last year) in the minors if he doesn't sign that 8 year extension with 2 TOs. 

He came up and he struggled pretty badly. Took him a while to adjust.

-I don't actually think it's fair to expect him to be Chourio(but at SS)... but rather... well ahead of Chourio at SS... for a team with World Series Aspirations. 

 

 

I suspect Ortiz would out-perform Jesus Made next year late in the season and post-season. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

27 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Fangraphs has it at 0.53 RBI per PA for the #9 hitter.  
 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/splits-leaderboards?splitArr=27,60&splitArrPitch=&autoPt=false&splitTeams=false&statType=mlb&statgroup=1&startDate=2025-03-01&endDate=2025-11-01&players=&filter=&groupBy=season&wxTemperature=&wxPressure=&wxAirDensity=&wxElevation=&wxWindSpeed=&position=B&sort=23,1

Thanks. But I was just wondering about the number of times a #9 hitter comes to the plate w/the bases loaded in a full season. A lot of folks were talking about Ortiz' failures in that situation & I was wondering if his PAs in those times were an average amount compared to the league average. Seemed more than normal to me, I dunno.

[brewcrewdue80]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah, I understand how runs score with the bases loaded.. but you didn't address the average. Just that... 2 people score on a base hit(which isn't always the case at all). A sac fly scores one... unless there are 2 outs and then there's no sac fly. 

And Made came up and played like 3 games in AA. You assuming this 18 year old kid is going to jump to the MLB level is... WAAAY too much.

You're assuming he's appreciably AHEAD of Chourio's pace... while playing SS. 

 

I HOPE he's Jackson Chourio. Though... on that front, he's spending probably most of last year(at LEAST part of last year) in the minors if he doesn't sign that 8 year extension with 2 TOs. 

He came up and he struggled pretty badly. Took him a while to adjust.

-I don't actually think it's fair to expect him to be Chourio(but at SS)... but rather... well ahead of Chourio at SS... for a team with World Series Aspirations. 

 

 

I suspect Ortiz would out-perform Jesus Made next year late in the season and post-season. 

5 games but thats sorta like Chourio's AAA experience.  There was a story early or near mid-season where I read that Made had hype being better coming up than Chourio. Around those lines. So A-typical for his age like Chourio.  Made could easily get 100-150 PAs in AA and promoted to AAA, where its an any moment past Super 2 he can be called up.

[BrewerFan]

8 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

5 games but thats sorta like Chourio's AAA experience.  There was a story early or near mid-season where I read that Made had hype being better coming up than Chourio. Around those lines. So A-typical for his age like Chourio.  Made could easily get 100-150 PAs in AA and promoted to AAA, where its an any moment past Super 2 he can be called up.

He'd be making the MLB roster roughly 1.5 years earlier than Chourio.

I don't know that you can make an argument he's got hype that he's "better" than Chourio. 
I'd say they're pretty similar at this point. I don't this one is better than the other, but again, you want him up before Chourio was called up without the 10-years of team control Chourio's contract afforded us. 

But... if you were to use the same trajectory, in Chourio's age 18 season, he finished the year getting into 6 AA games.
Made at age 18, he got into 5 AA games. 

Chourio-19 spent the season at AA, then... end of the season got some AAA PA's.
Chourio was the #2/3 prospect heading into this season.

So we're expecting Made to go from 27 HiA games, just a couple AA games to give him some extra ABs and now he's going to spend part of the year in AA before moving to AAA and then jump over Pratt... who played a full season in AA this year and should start next year in AAA and he's going to contribute to next years team?

 

This would be like expecting Chourio a year earlier to jump over Frelick at 19 and get the call up to the OF.... except at a MUCH more important position.

 

And then again, I'll reiterate, Chourio ALMOST certainly doesn't start the season last year with the Brewers(in fact many debated that he should have) if he signed a contract where the Brewers get 10 YEARS of team control.

 

With Made, if you force him up for the end of the '26 season, not only is there a pretty strong argument that's NOT the best for the team... but you're then heading into the 2027 season which... may not happen. That's a year of team control or... maybe half a year(pretty much a near certainty that it's going to be a significant chunk of the season that will NOT be played and players will almost certainly get credit for it). 

 

So upside- At 19 he's better than any MLB option. That's an exceptionally unlikely scenario, but you start burning up service time that starts next year, may continue into '27 and by the time we have a full season again in '28 and he's... 21/22, he's got 6+ years of team control.

OR a marginal upgrade at best and burn through service time at 18 or just after he turns 19 and watch him leave at 24-25 when he's just getting into his prime years?

 

I'll add this. If made wants to sign a contract this year for the MLB team whereupon he gets a 12 year deal that is for teh same as Chourio got, maybe a little more... and there are some incentives in there in the event that he's markedly better than Alex Rodriguez at 19 years old or 20 years old, both seasons, he was not reason to be in the MLB, then I would be more than happy to consider that scenario.

I don't imagine the Brewers will be however.

[jay87shot]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

He'd be making the MLB roster roughly 1.5 years earlier than Chourio.

I don't know that you can make an argument he's got hype that he's "better" than Chourio. 
I'd say they're pretty similar at this point. I don't this one is better than the other, but again, you want him up before Chourio was called up without the 10-years of team control Chourio's contract afforded us. 

But... if you were to use the same trajectory, in Chourio's age 18 season, he finished the year getting into 6 AA games.
Made at age 18, he got into 5 AA games. 

Chourio-19 spent the season at AA, then... end of the season got some AAA PA's.
Chourio was the #2/3 prospect heading into this season.

So we're expecting Made to go from 27 HiA games, just a couple AA games to give him some extra ABs and now he's going to spend part of the year in AA before moving to AAA and then jump over Pratt... who played a full season in AA this year and should start next year in AAA and he's going to contribute to next years team?

 

This would be like expecting Chourio a year earlier to jump over Frelick at 19 and get the call up to the OF.... except at a MUCH more important position.

 

And then again, I'll reiterate, Chourio ALMOST certainly doesn't start the season last year with the Brewers(in fact many debated that he should have) if he signed a contract where the Brewers get 10 YEARS of team control.

 

With Made, if you force him up for the end of the '26 season, not only is there a pretty strong argument that's NOT the best for the team... but you're then heading into the 2027 season which... may not happen. That's a year of team control or... maybe half a year(pretty much a near certainty that it's going to be a significant chunk of the season that will NOT be played and players will almost certainly get credit for it). 

 

So upside- At 19 he's better than any MLB option. That's an exceptionally unlikely scenario, but you start burning up service time that starts next year, may continue into '27 and by the time we have a full season again in '28 and he's... 21/22, he's got 6+ years of team control.

OR a marginal upgrade at best and burn through service time at 18 or just after he turns 19 and watch him leave at 24-25 when he's just getting into his prime years?

 

I'll add this. If made wants to sign a contract this year for the MLB team whereupon he gets a 12 year deal that is for teh same as Chourio got, maybe a little more... and there are some incentives in there in the event that he's markedly better than Alex Rodriguez at 19 years old or 20 years old, both seasons, he was not reason to be in the MLB, then I would be more than happy to consider that scenario.

I don't imagine the Brewers will be however.

I like just keeping Made on the Chourio path, AA this year with some AAA later in the year if he looks good. If he looks like we all think next year then give him an early big extension. With Ortiz, Pratt, Mone, and Turang we don't really need to move him to fast.

 

[jay87shot]

After the 2 past games I am all for overpaying for a big bat or two. I know I am over-reacting but eh.

[nate82]

17 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

After the 2 past games I am all for overpaying for a big bat or two. I know I am over-reacting but eh.

The only player I would feel comfortable giving a long term deal to would probably be Josh Naylor.  Everyone else would be DH's or too old or have too many questions about health and ability.  I am not a big Bichette fan and I think he screams more Adames or Swanson.  A good player to have but let someone else over pay for him.  I am also not sure if Bichette will stay healthy and you could have another Yelich type of a situation.  

Tucker is another option but again how healthy will he be and will he be worth that contract?  

It sucks that Yelich is basically a DH only option at this time as Schwarber would be an excellent addition to the Brewers and I don't think you need to give him anything more than 3-4 years maybe 5-years.  The only problem is that it will be at about $20-25mm a season.  That 4-year $79mm contract for the Phillies looks like a bargain now.  Where was the Doug Melvin special for Schwarber then? I am half joking on this but a 5 year $100mm contract would have looked good right about now for the Brewers.  I am not sure Schwarber would have came to Milwaukee for that but whatever.  

[jay87shot]

40 minutes ago, nate82 said:

The only player I would feel comfortable giving a long term deal to would probably be Josh Naylor.  Everyone else would be DH's or too old or have too many questions about health and ability.  I am not a big Bichette fan and I think he screams more Adames or Swanson.  A good player to have but let someone else over pay for him.  I am also not sure if Bichette will stay healthy and you could have another Yelich type of a situation.  

Tucker is another option but again how healthy will he be and will he be worth that contract?  

It sucks that Yelich is basically a DH only option at this time as Schwarber would be an excellent addition to the Brewers and I don't think you need to give him anything more than 3-4 years maybe 5-years.  The only problem is that it will be at about $20-25mm a season.  That 4-year $79mm contract for the Phillies looks like a bargain now.  Where was the Doug Melvin special for Schwarber then? I am half joking on this but a 5 year $100mm contract would have looked good right about now for the Brewers.  I am not sure Schwarber would have came to Milwaukee for that but whatever.  

I guess when I said overpaying I was thinking more like in a trade. I do agree that Naylor would be towards/at the top of the FA list for me as well, even with Vaughn.

[nate82]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I guess when I said overpaying I was thinking more like in a trade. I do agree that Naylor would be towards/at the top of the FA list for me as well, even with Vaughn.

Trade market is even worse IMHO.  Other than pitching there isn’t much available that you would want to overpay for.  

[jw5511986]

What do we think a theoretical Peralta trade would bring back in the off-season? 

I assume the package would include at least 1 MLB caliber piece but I'm struggling to imagine what the total might look like.

[Scooterfletcher]

Definitely would keep going the value way.   Close to the World Series too often to make a Fickell move. 

[Scooterfletcher]

26 minutes ago, jw5511986 said:

What do we think a theoretical Peralta trade would bring back in the off-season? 

I assume the package would include at least 1 MLB caliber piece but I'm struggling to imagine what the total might look like.

Theoretically, AZ got prospects back in the Naylor and Suarez deals and should be able to deal Lawler plus for Peralta plus

[jay87shot]

8 hours ago, jw5511986 said:

What do we think a theoretical Peralta trade would bring back in the off-season? 

I assume the package would include at least 1 MLB caliber piece but I'm struggling to imagine what the total might look like.

I would think we could get value pretty close to what we got for Burnes. Corbin had a higher ceiling with a Cy Young but Freddy has been ultra consistent and reliable and makes like 1/2 what Burnes made.

I think we could get one of the Mets mlb ready pitching prospects and IF. Say like Brandon Sproat and Ronny Mauricio or Jonah Tong and Mitch Voit. Obviously a bidding war would be nice.

[snoogans8056]

Anything we do has to have the potential lockout in 2027 in mind.

1. Not a single prospect that isn’t already on the 40-man will be added. We aren’t gonna call up Made or even Pratt / Wilken / Adams if it means they have to sit for a whole year during a lockout. No call ups. None. The minors will still play in 2027 even if the majors don’t.

2. Not fully sure how it works, but we may lose Freddy and Contreras for nothing if we don’t trade them this offseason. Freddy is a FA going into 2027, and Conteras could burn his last year before FA sitting for a year and leaving after 2027. Now might be the time to strike for full value on both.

[alwz4gbp]

On 10/8/2025 at 9:29 AM, tmwiese55 said:

 

 

[Lathund]

On 10/14/2025 at 6:42 PM, brewcrewdue80 said:

Made played some games in AA at the end. I assume he's playing winter ball somewhere. He does well down there, I don't see why he couldn't be on the team post Super 2 next season.  So idea is trade Ortiz in offseason rather than trade him mid season as a player being moved to promote Made. Pratt didnt produce enough to be 1st on the SS promotion list this season. 

The fairly common notion that Pratt somehow had a disappointing season is crazy to me. The Southern League is very pitcher friendly, so Pratts statline still translates into a 108 wRC+. With a 13% walk rate and 15% strikeout rate. While almost 4 years younger than the average player there. For someone who is a plus defender at SS. He raised his stock this year, and he's absolutely 1st on the SS promotion list. Which isn't to say he should be promoted straight away, but spend the year in AAA and if injures or poor form dictates it, he'd be ready to play. 

[Ignitor 4ever]

I think they probably trade Peralta this offseason. Not sure on Contreras. Another thought, does Yelich have trade value given the numbers he put up in 2025 and do you move on from him this offseason in favor of playing the younger guys? That is assuming you can get a halfway decent offer for him.

[TURBO]

What do we still owe Yelich, 3 years at 75 million?

I'd definitely be willing to trade him just to get out from under that contract.  Return doesn't even have to be great or good, I'd settle for decent.  I might even settle for OK if it meant we drop that contract.

However, if we aren't going to use that 75 million on another bat, then what's the point.  I don't want to trade him so ownership can line their pockets with cash, I want to trade him so we can put that money to use on a different player or players.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

I’d like to see the Brewers pursue a starter bat that can competently play either corner outfield spot, if Frelick/Chourio can cover centerfield defensively well enough for the management. They would still have Perkins and Lockridge for cover, while possibly seeing if Collins can become a utility player. 
 

Perhaps an outfield bat may be more available via free agency than a shortstop or third baseman. Plus, that doesn’t seem to be a position where the budding stars in the minors are plentiful. 

[Scooterfletcher]

At this point, I’d actually embrace the “bites at the apple” even more after seeing how night and day better the Dodgers appear to be than any team in baseball.   Let’s deal Peralta for more talent and still make the playoffs and keep making the playoffs the next six years.   Do that and we will likely be in the World Series one of the next six years.   That’s how I’m leaning and looking at as the best path forward for this organization after seeing how good the Dodgers are at this present year. 

[Devinep]

4 hours ago, ReverendBrewmeister said:

I’d like to see the Brewers pursue a starter bat that can competently play either corner outfield spot, if Frelick/Chourio can cover centerfield defensively well enough for the management. They would still have Perkins and Lockridge for cover, while possibly seeing if Collins can become a utility player. 
 

Perhaps an outfield bat may be more available via free agency than a shortstop or third baseman. Plus, that doesn’t seem to be a position where the budding stars in the minors are plentiful. 

I think of one especially good fit on paper for who you describe: Cody Bellinger. IDK what their immediate plan is for 1B next year so Bellinger could help out there and OF