Brewers at Cubs; Thursday, August 21 @ 1:20 p.m.: Quinn Priester (3.48 ERA, 4.32 FIP) vs. Shota Imanaga (3.06 ERA, 4.32 FIP)

[yfinn6]

I'm surprised that dude wasn't dropping F-bombs. Kept it together pretty well, actually. 

[wiguy94]

Now that the Brewers secured the 2-3 series against the Cubs which was all they really needed, can we please get some longer starts out of our rotation. Our relievers might die by the end of this 19 in 18 stretch if your starters keep this up. Our rotation averaged 4.6 IP per start during games 1 to 8 of the 19 in 18 stretch. Our SP have only gotten an out in the 6th inning in 3 of the 8 starts.

[LouisEly]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Now that the Brewers secured the 2-3 series against the Cubs which was all they really needed, can we please get some longer starts out of our rotation. Our relievers might die by the end of this 19 in 18 stretch if your starters keep this up. Our rotation averaged 4.6 IP per start during games 1 to 8 of the 19 in 18 stretch. Our SP have only gotten an out in the 6th inning in 3 of the 8 starts.

Have to wonder what the plan is for Mis's next scheduled start.  With no days off that might be the biggest cloud hovering over the bullpen.  Like you said, can't have another short start.  Could be a planned piggyback with Rodriguez.

Since Patrick was the extra man for the DH he can be called up at any time.  Would not be surprised if the plan was to keep Mis in the rotation through the Cubs series, then move him to the pen to mitigate his innings.  Was encouraging to see Gasser go 4 IP the other day, but it was only 52 pitches so he isn't ready yet.  Barring someone going on the IL, Myers has to wait until September.

Adding Mis to the pen also gives them another multi-inning reliever, which they could certainly use.

[wiguy94]

6 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Have to wonder what the plan is for Mis's next scheduled start.  With no days off that might be the biggest cloud hovering over the bullpen.  Like you said, can't have another short start.  Could be a planned piggyback with Rodriguez.

Since Patrick was the extra man for the DH he can be called up at any time.  Would not be surprised if the plan was to keep Mis in the rotation through the Cubs series, then move him to the pen to mitigate his innings.  Was encouraging to see Gasser go 4 IP the other day, but it was only 52 pitches so he isn't ready yet.  Barring someone going on the IL, Myers has to wait until September.

Adding Mis to the pen also gives them another multi-inning reliever, which they could certainly use.

Not even sure Rodriguez will still be up by then considering Woodruff isn't the listed starter for Sunday. Brewers have that listed as TBA. They might recall Chad Patrick for a spot start on Sunday which would push everyone else back a day to make their next start on 5 days rest.

I agree though. What the plan for Misiorowski is seems uncertain. Certainly in the moment it feels like it was a mistake not to give him a rehab start to kind of build himself back up a bit. Not only did they do that they also started him on game 1 of the 19 in 18 stretch which guarantees him to start 4 times during the stretch.

I feel like the Henderson injury might have forced their hand a bit. Considering it was either Myers or Misiorowski for game 1 of the 19 in 18 stretch and Myers wasn't full stretched out either.

[wibadgers23]

Both Frelick and Turang have really come a long way at the plate this year.  With the elite defense that they both play, they have turned into really good players.  I hope the front office has explored extensions for one or both of these guys.

[adambr2]

6 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Both Frelick and Turang have really come a long way at the plate this year.  With the elite defense that they both play, they have turned into really good players.  I hope the front office has explored extensions for one or both of these guys.

Turang is going to get expensive soon. With the middle infield prospects they have coming up through the pipeline, I can see them moving on and looking to deal Turang in 2 years or so if they can’t reasonably extend him.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree with it, but I think that’s just how they operate.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

Turang is going to get expensive soon. With the middle infield prospects they have coming up through the pipeline, I can see them moving on and looking to deal Turang in 2 years or so if they can’t reasonably extend him.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree with it, but I think that’s just how they operate.

That feels hard to believe especially if Turang's improvement with the bat is real. Trading him 2 years from now would be trading him with 2 years of control remaining though with Turang it would be Arb 3 and Arb 4. When is the last time the Brewers traded a good starting caliber position player with 2 years of team control remaining while not rebuilding or selling?

[Jim French Stepstool]

10 hours ago, Brian said:

Not sure if I misunderstood you but Chourio not playing again today. 

Yes, he's starting a rehab on Friday. I should've said 'when Chourio returns'.

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, willie key said:

Also.    What in the hell was monosterio doing.     That was the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen 

Bad angle, thought the ball was caught. Then after thinking it was caught went on his backside while putting on the brakes. Then wanted to make absolutely sure the ump saw him touch 2B, since by that time he wasn't able to make it past third anyway. Could've used a 2B coach, I guess.

It looked ridiculous, but I understand his thought process.

[wiguy94]

Just now, Jim French Stepstool said:

Bad angle, thought the ball was caught. Then after thinking it was caught went on his backside while putting on the brakes. Then wanted to make absolutely sure the ump saw him touch 2B, since by that time he wasn't able to make it past third anyway. Could've used a 2B coach, I guess.

It looked ridiculous, but I understand his thought process.

Frankly I thought he did a really good job there staying composed while falling over multiple times making sure he touched the base correctly.

[Jake McKibbin]

5 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Not even sure Rodriguez will still be up by then considering Woodruff isn't the listed starter for Sunday. Brewers have that listed as TBA. They might recall Chad Patrick for a spot start on Sunday which would push everyone else back a day to make their next start on 5 days rest.

I agree though. What the plan for Misiorowski is seems uncertain. Certainly in the moment it feels like it was a mistake not to give him a rehab start to kind of build himself back up a bit. Not only did they do that they also started him on game 1 of the 19 in 18 stretch which guarantees him to start 4 times during the stretch.

I feel like the Henderson injury might have forced their hand a bit. Considering it was either Myers or Misiorowski for game 1 of the 19 in 18 stretch and Myers wasn't full stretched out either.

I was thinking the exact same for this weekend. They'll want to push Woody out to five days rest, and Patrick seems perfectly set up to help that. The worry is if its another short start from him, but he did get sharper as the game progressed against the Cubs.

Its been an odd series for the starters. Freddy was great, and I actually don't think Miz was that bad, he just got a lesson in maintaining your focus and keeping your foot on the throat when you're dominating. Once you lose your rhythm its so difficult to get it back, but he did in the end. I'd need to see a couple more poor starts from him before assessing if he's lost t gains he took earlier in the season.

As for Woody and Priester, those were strange. Priester didn't seem comfortable at all with his sinker and was flying open, more like the Priester of yesteryear, but hopefully that's an easy fix to dial him back in. Woodruff hasn't been that nibbly for a while either. Hopefully both can pound the zone over their next few starts and get a little length because, as you say, its desperately needed.

Carlos Rodriguez will likely get to finish the game behind Quintana on Friday and give the rest of the pen a breather before being sent down for a Patrick return on Sunday

[adambr2]

8 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

That feels hard to believe especially if Turang's improvement with the bat is real. Trading him 2 years from now would be trading him with 2 years of control remaining though with Turang it would be Arb 3 and Arb 4. When is the last time the Brewers traded a good starting caliber position player with 2 years of team control remaining while not rebuilding or selling?

I honestly don’t have a lot of precedence to back me up here, but the Crew also is known for frugal methods. If you look at Yelich being the richest contract in franchise history, it’s totally possible that Turang could end up exceeding that, if extended in a few years as he nears free agency. 

I just don’t know if they are going to be willing to go that far to retain him, especially when they’ll likely have some near MLB ready replacements in the pipeline.

Now, it is possible that they go the Adames route and get all the use out of him as they can before letting him walk rather than dealing him? Yes, absolutely. But if you have Made and/or Pérez knocking down the door in 2 years, it probably makes them consider it.

[SF70]

30 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I honestly don’t have a lot of precedence to back me up here, but the Crew also is known for frugal methods. If you look at Yelich being the richest contract in franchise history, it’s totally possible that Turang could end up exceeding that, if extended in a few years as he nears free agency. 

I just don’t know if they are going to be willing to go that far to retain him, especially when they’ll likely have some near MLB ready replacements in the pipeline.

Now, it is possible that they go the Adames route and get all the use out of him as they can before letting him walk rather than dealing him? Yes, absolutely. But if you have Made and/or Pérez knocking down the door in 2 years, it probably makes them consider it.

Assuming you meant Pena, not Perez. While both or one of Made-Pena could be ready in 2 years, you also have to account for a year or two of big-league development that would need to take place and the team might want a fully developed Brice Turang as one of the leaders of the late-decade Brewers. 

SS/3B are also options for Made-Pena.

[Jake McKibbin]

7 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Assuming you meant Pena, not Perez. While both or one of Made-Pena could be ready in 2 years, you also have to account for a year or two of big-league development that would need to take place and the team might want a fully developed Brice Turang as one of the leaders of the late-decade Brewers. 

SS/3B are also options for Made-Pena.

Brice Turang had 5 fWAR last year on basically league average hitting due to his efforts on the basepaths and his ridiculous defense.

If he can find that defensive sparkle again alongside this potent form of his bat, you could be looking at a 7 win player. Yes prospects are shiny and new, but to expect them to put up 5-7 win seasons off the bat, with any regularity, is crazy no matter how much shine they have.

You should also factor in there's a very real chance Pena may end up in the outfield, but I'd say if Turang plays at this level for a few seasons it would take a monumental offer to pry him from the Brewers

I say this more because we can get totally carried away sometimes by prospects without realising just how valuable our current cohort are.

For the Brewers, no player is off the table, but it would take a big offer. Turan has eight home runs in just 22 days of August. That's quite ludicrous output, and if its anyway sustainable, you may have an MVP candidate on your hands

[willie key]

I was surprised they gave Durbin the 3-0 green light but that ball was absolutely smoked.   Any kind of lift and that was way gone wind blowing in or nOt

also does anyone think Hoskins makes that play that Vaughn made to end the 8th inning yesterday.    I don’t think he does

[adambr2]

7 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Assuming you meant Pena, not Perez. While both or one of Made-Pena could be ready in 2 years, you also have to account for a year or two of big-league development that would need to take place and the team might want a fully developed Brice Turang as one of the leaders of the late-decade Brewers. 

SS/3B are also options for Made-Pena.

Yup, my bad, Pena.

And, yeah, I don’t know. Made is so young, but he’s already tearing up High A. I think if you look at the 2028 season, Turang has 2 years left of control at that point and Made would be 21 about a month into the season. That seems like about the sweet spot to me if he develops as swiftly as Chourio does, which looks highly possible. Too early to speculate, but I wouldn’t be surprised if both him and Pena were eventually approached about Chourio type long-term contracts. 

And I definitely anticipate one being the eventual replacement for Ortiz at SS.

[OldHeidelberg]

Wouldn't Myers get the start on Sunday? He last pitched Tuesday I think but maybe they need him before Sunday.

[adambr2]

7 minutes ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Brice Turang had 5 fWAR last year on basically league average hitting due to his efforts on the basepaths and his ridiculous defense.

If he can find that defensive sparkle again alongside this potent form of his bat, you could be looking at a 7 win player. Yes prospects are shiny and new, but to expect them to put up 5-7 win seasons off the bat, with any regularity, is crazy no matter how much shine they have.

You should also factor in there's a very real chance Pena may end up in the outfield, but I'd say if Turang plays at this level for a few seasons it would take a monumental offer to pry him from the Brewers

I don’t anticipate either prospect being a 5-7 WAR player off the bat. I also don’t expect the Brewers to pay the free agency cost tag of a 5-7 WAR middle infielder. 

[willie key]

6 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Wouldn't Myers get the start on Sunday? He last pitched Tuesday I think but maybe they need him before Sunday.

That’s what I was guessing when it was TBA

[SF70]

45 minutes ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Brice Turang had 5 fWAR last year on basically league average hitting due to his efforts on the basepaths and his ridiculous defense.

If he can find that defensive sparkle again alongside this potent form of his bat, you could be looking at a 7 win player. Yes prospects are shiny and new, but to expect them to put up 5-7 win seasons off the bat, with any regularity, is crazy no matter how much shine they have.

You should also factor in there's a very real chance Pena may end up in the outfield, but I'd say if Turang plays at this level for a few seasons it would take a monumental offer to pry him from the Brewers

I say this more because we can get totally carried away sometimes by prospects without realising just how valuable our current cohort are.

For the Brewers, no player is off the table, but it would take a big offer. Turan has eight home runs in just 22 days of August. That's quite ludicrous output, and if its anyway sustainable, you may have an MVP candidate on your hands

While Turang’s power should increase moving-forward, his defense & BR could continue to regress some. I think a 5-7 WAR Turang thru his prime is a fair projection.

[hoosier]

Calling up Zamora to fill Joey's shoes (assuming he goes to 10 day IL) would require a 40 man roster move. If the absence is projected to be longer than two weeks that might make sense, but then who do you dump from the 40? Dunn? Berroa? Or have they seen enough of Easton McGee to feel comfortable jettisoning him? Hopefully the scan delivers better news and none of this matters.  

[OldHeidelberg]

18 minutes ago, hoosier said:

Calling up Zamora to fill Joey's shoes (assuming he goes to 10 day IL) would require a 40 man roster move. If the absence is projected to be longer than two weeks that might make sense, but then who do you dump from the 40? Dunn? Berroa? Or have they seen enough of Easton McGee to feel comfortable jettisoning him? Hopefully the scan delivers better news and none of this matters.  

Just looked at Dunn's AAA stats. Yuck. I think that project can be ended any time so that would be my choice. If Zamora is a guy who they hope moves into a utility MLB role next season than why not?

[nate82]

2 hours ago, willie key said:

also does anyone think Hoskins makes that play that Vaughn made to end the 8th inning yesterday.    I don’t think he does

No, Hoskins is a DH masquerading as a 1B.

[RWeeksFan23]

20 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Not sure what Yeli was looking for there.

Breaking ball obviously. Imanaga painted the outside corner there.

[RWeeksFan23]

20 hours ago, BCF said:

There's no one else who I would rather have up in a clutch spot than Collins 

Uh... Frelick? Turang?