Giants at Brewers; Saturday, August 23 @ 6:10 p.m.: Freddy Peralta (2.78 ERA, 3.70 FIP) vs. Logan Webb (3.19 ERA, 2.56 FIP)

[Brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, willie key said:

Down to 5.5.   The brewers seem to be and are talking like they are on fumes and there are over 30 games left. That’s not a good sign

 

im interested in when people would worry.  3.5?    2.5?    People are saying cubs don’t have a chance.   When does that flip

There is no 5.5. It's 6. The Cubs, assuming they hold on tonight, have to make up 6 games period to win the division.

[BruisedCrew]

33 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Nope. Not worried about it. 

If it’s not going to matter to you  one way or another if the Brewers win the division there is no reason to be concerned at all.

But, if some things don’t change soon this division lead is going to be very tenuous by Labor Day. After the Giants the Brewers are going to be playing 3 of the top scoring teams in MLB and they aren’t going to win many games getting 4 or 5 inning starts and struggling to,score more than 2 runs. Having a SS with throwing yips won’t help ,either  

If the Cubs get their mojo back on offense they could easily run off 8 or 9 wins in 10 games and eat up most of that 6 game deficit. 

[BruisedCrew]

9 hours ago, yourout said:

The injury's have added up.

The Brewers need:

1. Turang to be able to play and hit without handicap by Monday. If his wrist is sore I wouldn’t be surprised if they give him another day against a tough lefty.

2 Chourio to come back early next week and take no more than a couple of days to be productive at the plate.

3. Monasterio to shake off his pivotal error and play at least decent SS. I don’t want to be holding my breath on every routine grounder to short wondering if he can make the throw. 

4. A couple of starting pitchers going 6 or (gasp) 7 innings so they can win a couple,of games without needing 4 relievers to finish. 

5. A couple,of hitters to get hot so the Brewers can get back to scoring 5 or 6 runs per game with some degree of consistency. It would really help to get a few runs early in the game to take pressure off the pitchers. 

6. Pray that the Cubs don’t start hitting and scoring like they did in the first half of the season. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

44 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

There is no 5.5. It's 6. The Cubs, assuming they hold on tonight, have to make up 6 games period to win the division.

Given they have the same number of games remaining, the Cubs can either make up 5 or fewer games (in which they lose the division) or 6+ (in which case they win)

Therefore, the Brewers lead is 5.5. Call it 5.9 if you want. We can't lead by 6 exactly, since there is no such thing as a tie anymore.

[Jim French Stepstool]

52 minutes ago, Brian said:

Jerry Augustine on the radio right now and said the exact same thing about limiting innings for our pitchers now is the right thing to do. 

I think it would be nice to get Misiorowski back he pitched only 9.1 innings in a month. 

And I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that had nothing to do with why he was pulled today. His pitch count was around where it usually is when lifted. In his last six starts before today, four of them actually had LOWER pitch counts than tonite.

If they wanted to limit him above & beyond the norm he would've been pulled after 4, when he was IIRC slightly above 80. Or maybe even before that.

Agree 100% re Misiorowski. I don't totally buy the recent laments that he shouldn't be up here. He's had two starts w/o a rehab beforehand, and both times had one bad 3-4 hitter stretch. Just needs to find the confidence & maturity to keep things from snowballing.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, willie key said:

Down to 5.5.   The brewers seem to be and are talking like they are on fumes and there are over 30 games left. That’s not a good sign

 

im interested in when people would worry.  3.5?    2.5?    People are saying cubs don’t have a chance.   When does that flip

That's up to each individual. I mean, I read an earlier post that claims we need this & that team to beat Chicago to 'save our season'. And that's with a six (or seven, whatever) game lead. Save. Our. Season. Isn't that something you hear from a fan base whose team is DOWN X number of games? 

I'm concerned about the teams' health, like we all should be. And they need more length from their starters. Beyond that, the team has gone 3-5 after a hot streak unlike any this franchise has ever seen. Predicting a cooling off period after the way they've played would rank right up there with predicting the sun to rise in the east; it was going to happen.

If the lead were to shrink to a few games, the only thing that matters is how they respond to it. That, and health, is much more important than scoreboard watching.

[sobomp3]

I’m honestly kind of excited for when Peralta gets a bigger deal somewhere else. I cannot stand watching him pitch. I hate the thought of him being a game one starter (again). You never know what you’re going to get, and even if it’s an excellent start he’s done after 6. 
 

He is absolutely not a #1 starter and I wish they’d stop treating him as one. You don’t constantly ask “are we getting good Peralta or bad Peralta tonight?” from an “ace” on the best team in baseball. 

[bm1090]

Some of y’all have crazy expectations.

[adambr2]

7 hours ago, sobomp3 said:

I’m honestly kind of excited for when Peralta gets a bigger deal somewhere else. I cannot stand watching him pitch. I hate the thought of him being a game one starter (again). You never know what you’re going to get, and even if it’s an excellent start he’s done after 6. 
 

He is absolutely not a #1 starter and I wish they’d stop treating him as one. You don’t constantly ask “are we getting good Peralta or bad Peralta tonight?” from an “ace” on the best team in baseball. 

Dude gave us 5 scoreless innings and left the game with a lead. Freddy Peralta would rank dead last on the list of reasons we lost last night.

The criticism he got after that outing by some is absolutely wild. Every team in baseball would take 5 scoreless innings out of their starter every single time.

You might be less excited about it than you think when he’s pitching elsewhere.

[willie key]

I have a ton of good things to say about Peralta and there is one thing he brings to this team that other pitchers havent

but I don’t want to say it as not to jinx it😀

[willie key]

9 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

If it’s not going to matter to you  one way or another if the Brewers win the division there is no reason to be concerned at all.

But, if some things don’t change soon this division lead is going to be very tenuous by Labor Day. After the Giants the Brewers are going to be playing 3 of the top scoring teams in MLB and they aren’t going to win many games getting 4 or 5 inning starts and struggling to,score more than 2 runs. Having a SS with throwing yips won’t help ,either  

If the Cubs get their mojo back on offense they could easily run off 8 or 9 wins in 10 games and eat up most of that 6 game deficit. 

Yep.      Easily.   I have a feeling g we are going to be hoping for cubs losses than us getting wins.     Unless we get everyone back playing at their levels.   Not in name only like collins and Perkins who came back and proceeded to go 1 for 100 at the plate.  

[OldSchoolSnapper]

9 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

If it’s not going to matter to you  one way or another if the Brewers win the division there is no reason to be concerned at all.

But, if some things don’t change soon this division lead is going to be very tenuous by Labor Day. After the Giants the Brewers are going to be playing 3 of the top scoring teams in MLB and they aren’t going to win many games getting 4 or 5 inning starts and struggling to,score more than 2 runs. Having a SS with throwing yips won’t help ,either  

If the Cubs get their mojo back on offense they could easily run off 8 or 9 wins in 10 games and eat up most of that 6 game deficit. 

Not worried. I don't believe they will make up 6 games in a month, and if they do, the Brewers are stumbling in, playing poorly, and suffer a deserved fate.

[BruisedCrew]

13 minutes ago, willie key said:

Yep.      Easily.   I have a feeling g we are going to be hoping for cubs losses than us getting wins.     Unless we get everyone back playing at their levels.   Not in name only like collins and Perkins who came back and proceeded to go 1 for 100 at the plate.  

I’m not going to completely agree with you, and I recognize that a lot of what you say is more hyperbole than anything else. 

But I do have two specific expectations for what’s going to happen in the last 5 weeks of this long season. They are based on the current state of the Brewers and the remaining schedule.

The first is that when play ends on Thursday, September 4 the Brewers lead in the division will be less than 6 games. If I am wrong on this one the Brewers will be in great position

The second one is that at some point, hopefully not by September 4, the Brewers lead in the division will be down to 2 games. A combination of the Brewers returning to earth after their incredible run of 2-3 months and the Cubs recovering from their corresponding tepid streak makes this seem likely to me.

I guess we’ll find out if this is pessimism or a valid observation based on processing several decades of baseball data.

 

[Brian]

9 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

The Brewers need:

1. Turang to be able to play and hit without handicap by Monday. If his wrist is sore I wouldn’t be surprised if they give him another day against a tough lefty.

2 Chourio to come back early next week and take no more than a couple of days to be productive at the plate.

3. Monasterio to shake off his pivotal error and play at least decent SS. I don’t want to be holding my breath on every routine grounder to short wondering if he can make the throw. 

4. A couple of starting pitchers going 6 or (gasp) 7 innings so they can win a couple,of games without needing 4 relievers to finish. 

5. A couple,of hitters to get hot so the Brewers can get back to scoring 5 or 6 runs per game with some degree of consistency. It would really help to get a few runs early in the game to take pressure off the pitchers. 

6. Pray that the Cubs don’t start hitting and scoring like they did in the first half of the season. 

Quit the the Santa Claws list there. 

[BruisedCrew]

12 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Not worried. I don't believe they will make up 6 games in a month, and if they do, the Brewers are stumbling in, playing poorly, and suffer a deserved fate.

Not everyone is willing to say “hey, if they blow a 6 game lead in 5 weeks they don’t deserve to win and it won’t bother me.”

[willie key]

11 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I’m not going to completely agree with you, and I recognize that a lot of what you say is more hyperbole than anything else. 

But I do have two specific expectations for what’s going to happen in the last 5 weeks of this long season. They are based on the current state of the Brewers and the remaining schedule.

The first is that when play ends on Thursday, September 4 the Brewers lead in the division will be less than 6 games. If I am wrong on this one the Brewers will be in great position

The second one is that at some point, hopefully not by September 4, the Brewers lead in the division will be down to 2 games. A combination of the Brewers returning to earth after their incredible run of 2-3 months and the Cubs recovering from their corresponding tepid streak makes this seem likely to me.

I guess we’ll find out if this is pessimism or a valid observation based on processing several decades of baseball data.

 

I was agreeing with you in that winning the division is not a foregone conclusion like others are saying.   I wasn’t saying we milw will blow it.   They are still in good shape. 
 

but if you are going to run Mona for 15-20 games at shortstop and then throw in siegler and lockridge for another bunch of at bats multiplied by having to use a bunch of bottom of the staff relievers every other game because the staff is burnt out.    It’s more likely then you think

[willie key]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

Not everyone is willing to say “hey, if they blow a 6 game lead in 5 weeks they don’t deserve to win and it won’t bother me.”

Forget before the year expectations.    As of today if the brewers don’t get a bye to the divisional round then it’s a failure.   Pure and simple as that

[OldSchoolSnapper]

3 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

Not everyone is willing to say “hey, if they blow a 6 game lead in 5 weeks they don’t deserve to win and it won’t bother me.”

Ok? But I am, and I am posting about myself. 

[Brian]

3 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

Not everyone is willing to say “hey, if they blow a 6 game lead in 5 weeks they don’t deserve to win and it won’t bother me.”

You sound like a 10 year old. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

2 minutes ago, willie key said:

Forget before the year expectations.    As of today if the brewers don’t get a bye to the divisional round then it’s a failure.   Pure and simple as that

That's weird. It would be a disappointment, but you can still win a best of 3 and go on a run. 

My post earlier about a LAD-CHC series was more about one of those teams being forced out right away, not a belief that they are the biggest threats. If the Brewers can't win, those would be first two preferred teams out. 

[willie key]

3 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

That's weird. It would be a disappointment, but you can still win a best of 3 and go on a run. 

My post earlier about a LAD-CHC series was more about one of those teams being forced out right away, not a belief that they are the biggest threats. If the Brewers can't win, those would be first two preferred teams out. 

Regular season failure.   If they win the World Series who gives a crap what happened in the regular season 

[willie key]

7 minutes ago, Brian said:

You sound like a 10 year old. 

The brewers might be in worst shape than I thought.   We are down to the “it’s only baseball, there is a war in the Middle East”  type posts now

[Sixtolezcano]

9 hours ago, sobomp3 said:

I’m honestly kind of excited for when Peralta gets a bigger deal somewhere else. I cannot stand watching him pitch. I hate the thought of him being a game one starter (again). You never know what you’re going to get, and even if it’s an excellent start he’s done after 6. 
 

He is absolutely not a #1 starter and I wish they’d stop treating him as one. You don’t constantly ask “are we getting good Peralta or bad Peralta tonight?” from an “ace” on the best team in baseball. 

How about we get rid of Contreras, he went 0-4 last night

Dump The Miz he pitched terrible his last 2 starts

how about trading Yelich he is batting <0.200 in his last 7 games with 11 strikeouts in 27 AB

Wishing our best SP this season would leave is about the stupidest idea I’ve heard.

 

 

[RWeeksFan23]

15 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Bauers starting in the 5 hole in his first game versus a RHP coming off the IL might be the least surprising lineup decision of all time.

I’m fine if it’s just a day off. If Vaughn starts regularly riding the pine versus RHP I’m going to cry.

these guys aren't robots, Vaughn hadn't had a day off in a long time. Not the end of the world for him to sit against a tough RHP.

[RWeeksFan23]

12 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

I'd feel better if the Brewers didn't have 9 more games until an off day with their pitching depth looking in shambles and a very tired bullpen. 

Not to mention a banged-up infield.