Brewers (Woodruff) vs Diamondbacks (Kelly): 7/4/26, 8:40pm

[HarryDoyle]

What a shameful loss. How do you outhit your opponent 12-4 and still lose?

[Opening Day]

1 minute ago, yourout said:

Cubs lost

On America's birthday, seems apropos

[Bulldogboy]

12 hits to 4. Jeez

[Opening Day]

2 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

What a shameful loss. How do you outhit your opponent 12-4 and still lose?

You stand at 2nd and watch a ball hit high off the wall, well out of reach of any human OF, instead of running home.  For one

[ClearWaterWI]

I’m already getting worried about Pratt’s long term Yelich type contract. 

[greenlawler]

I think we all know we will not go out on a limb and trade for Skubal, I wish we would. But on the other hand this team is one really good bat away from being a legit contender. 

[Jopal78]

30 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Okay? I don’t know why this is worth arguing to you, but my point is simply that if Woodruff has enough of a head on his shoulder to not try to be flashy and just stick to boring high quality index funds and bonds, 22 million dollars is plenty.

If he wants to get a financial advisor to organize that for him so he doesn’t have to worry about it, that’s none of my business. Probably worth the price. 

It’s not a knock on you, but you’re not alike in any way shape or form. with an athlete with tens of millions of dollars. Taxes alone is more money than you and I’ll see in a lifetime time, and I can guarantee pro athletes aren’t mainly invested in index funds as it’s not maximizing the use of their money. 

[Opening Day]

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1 minute ago, ClearWaterWI said:

I’m already getting worried about Pratt’s long term Yelich type contract. 

Im not too worried, he can at least run and play D.  IMO, 2 out of 3 makes the contracts worth it.  Chourio looks solid.  We (because Im totally part of the team) just need one of Pratt or Lara to hit to make it worthwhile.  With the team options Pratt just needs to be solid to work.

[TURBO]

7 minutes ago, Opening Day said:

You stand at 2nd and watch a ball hit high off the wall, well out of reach of any human OF, except for PCA,  instead of running home.  For one

Fixed

[Opening Day]

6 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Fixed

He definitely would have jumped.

[Jim French Stepstool]

10 minutes ago, Opening Day said:

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Im not too worried, he can at least run and play D.  IMO, 2 out of 3 makes the contracts worth it.  Chourio looks solid.  We (because Im totally part of the team) just need one of Pratt or Lara to hit to make it worthwhile.  With the team options Pratt just needs to be solid to work.

Yeah, underline the 'at least'. His approach was more than acceptable, he started to get pitched upstairs a little bit more & reacted to it poorly, and now seems to be 'adjusting to the adjustment'. He probably needs to at least for now go back to basics a little bit more & concentrate on RF. In a perfect world we have a major-league average hitter & defender at SS & Pratt is still growing in AAA. As big league careers go, he's still in the incubator. He'll be fine.

[willie key]

Brewers seem to be playing accidental baseball lately.    It’s like the equivalent of being in the nba and shooting 50 three pointers.   It’s like it’s just luck whether we win or lose.    
 

it doesn’t seem like we are playing better than the opponent like it was earlier in season.    It’s just a crapshoot of plays. 

[Opening Day]

5 minutes ago, willie key said:

Brewers seem to be playing accidental baseball lately.    It’s like the equivalent of being in the nba and shooting 50 three pointers.   It’s like it’s just luck whether we win or lose.    
 

it doesn’t seem like we are playing better than the opponent like it was earlier in season.    It’s just a crapshoot of plays. 

I think we outplayed Arizona tonight. The Brewers had 3x as many hits. Arizona had 2 shots at runs.  One time they hit a homer with 2 guys on and the other they got their insurance run.  The Brewers had multiple shots at runs and the only had 1 on when they hit their homer, and the Chourio solo shot was negated by their insurance run.  A lot of missed opportunities mixed in.

[Jim French Stepstool]

About the RISP thing, there were a couple good comments from, of all people, media guys. I have no idea who he is but there's this guy who does the post-game call-in thing on WTMJ. I seldom listen to it but heard a little last night, and he said the good thing about the 3-18 with RISP was the 18. That sounds dumb on the surface but he's right. Keep getting base hits; keep getting runners on base. This team, for the lions' share of the season, has been among the top handful of teams in MLB in hitting in those situations, including two-out runs. It sucks when it goes dry for a stretch, but over 162 games it would be a miracle if that DIDN'T happen. Keep getting people on base. Because then when it turns there'll be, you know, people on base.

The other guy who brought up something I agreed with was Dillard. He puts runners on 3B w/less than two outs in a separate category. He's right because that's where you don't necessarily need a base hit to succeed. I think in both categories they're guilty of changing their mindset when it's important to change nothing & stay with your normal approach. Bauers' AB in the 1st inning with Turang at 3B was horrible & looked nothing like what you'd see him turn in with, say, one out & nobody on. I cringe whenever I hear an announcer say things like "He needs to just try to get something in the air". No, if he's a capable ML hitter he needs to keep the same approach he always has. Vaughn, same thing. I can count on one hand the ABs he's had this year that were as bad or worse than the one he had w/runners on 2nd & 3rd and one out tonite. I can't believe the situation didn't get into his head. Trust yourself, trust your teammates is an adage they talk about all the time but don't always adhere to.

Other than that, Yoho suddenly looks useable if he can spot the FB enough to where hitters have to honor it. Hopefully he (and Contreras) figured something out. And after giving up the run in the 8th, it's like all of a sudden Koenig decided to use the FB along with his other pitches. It wasn't his 2024-25 FB but tonite it was good enough. Hopefully it wasn't just there for a brief visit.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, tomwopat said:

Are there any other racing XXX that are actually good?

I guess the bar is pretty low for the mid-inning entertainment, but it seems like most of them just kind of exist for the sake of existing.

I think the racing presidents in DC is a pretty good schtick, how Teddy Roosevelt went such a long time w/o winning (I believe he finally did).

[wiguy94]

10 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

About the RISP thing, there were a couple good comments from, of all people, media guys. I have no idea who he is but there's this guy who does the post-game call-in thing on WTMJ. I seldom listen to it but heard a little last night, and he said the good thing about the 3-18 with RISP was the 18. That sounds dumb on the surface but he's right. Keep getting base hits; keep getting runners on base. This team, for the lions' share of the season, has been among the top handful of teams in MLB in hitting in those situations, including two-out runs. It sucks when it goes dry for a stretch, but over 162 games it would be a miracle if that DIDN'T happen. Keep getting people on base. Because then when it turns there'll be, you know, people on base.

The other guy who brought up something I agreed with was Dillard. He puts runners on 3B w/less than two outs in a separate category. He's right because that's where you don't necessarily need a base hit to succeed. I think in both categories they're guilty of changing their mindset when it's important to change nothing & stay with your normal approach. Bauers' AB in the 1st inning with Turang at 3B was horrible & looked nothing like what you'd see him turn in with, say, one out & nobody on. I cringe whenever I hear an announcer say things like "He needs to just try to get something in the air". No, if he's a capable ML hitter he needs to keep the same approach he always has. Vaughn, same thing. I can count on one hand the ABs he's had this year that were as bad or worse than the one he had w/runners on 2nd & 3rd and one out tonite. I can't believe the situation didn't get into his head. Trust yourself, trust your teammates is an adage they talk about all the time but don't always adhere to.

Other than that, Yoho suddenly looks useable if he can spot the FB enough to where hitters have to honor it. Hopefully he (and Contreras) figured something out. And after giving up the run in the 8th, it's like all of a sudden Koenig decided to use the FB along with his other pitches. It wasn't his 2024-25 FB but tonite it was good enough. Hopefully it wasn't just there for a brief visit.

Coming into today they had a 78 wRC+ with RISP since 6/16 which was 25th in MLB. That number will drop again after today. In that time span however they are 2nd in MLB with 193 PA with RISP and 14 ahead of the team in 3rd. You're right the team is hitting well but just not cashing in when they need to. Tonight was a great example of that. In this stretch they are 11-7 so they are still winning games which is all you can really ask for during a RISP ebb.

[adambr2]

6 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

It’s not a knock on you, but you’re not alike in any way shape or form. with an athlete with tens of millions of dollars. Taxes alone is more money than you and I’ll see in a lifetime time, and I can guarantee pro athletes aren’t mainly invested in index funds as it’s not maximizing the use of their money. 

While all true, that’s why the original  statement on my part was  “if I suddenly received 22 million dollars.”

[Brian]

8 hours ago, Samurai Bucky said:

Please do not trade for Freddie.  Trade for Skubal or Joe Ryan

Freddy cannot be an option where his ERA his last 7 starts is over 7.00 and can't even make it to the 5th inning anymore. Also, with Woodruff most likely going on the injured list, the sooner the better for a good pitcher before we get out bid by the, "money is no option teams." 

[adambr2]

7 hours ago, ClearWaterWI said:

I’m already getting worried about Pratt’s long term Yelich type contract. 

Meh, it’s really not, though. His highest guaranteed season is at 13M in 2033 after making 11.125M in 2032. Besides that, he never exceeds 5.375M. 

For perspective, Yelich has more guaranteed money just the rest of this year and his last two guaranteed years in 2027 and 2028, than Pratt has in his entire contract.

Pratt is fine. He has already been worth 0.5 WAR in less than 3 weeks just on the strength of a glove that is already high end major league caliber, 

Pratt has been exactly as advertised to me. I don’t know why anyone thought he was going to come up and rake. He’s 21 and his current prospect profile was one where his glove is clearly far ahead of his bat in development, and his AAA numbers reflected that.

Best case scenario, Pratt has a Turang like development with his bat and those 15M options look like highway robbery by the mid 2030s. Worst case scenario, his bat doesn’t ever come around and in 3-4 years we’re either shopping him or he’s hanging around as more of a utility infielder/late defensive sub. 

Either way, it’s not going to have much of an impact on our bottom line.

 

[igor67]

Joey Ortiz is about the worst possible outcome of the Pratt contract, and he has already earned 3.5 million in his career before even hitting arbitration. Current MLB minimum is 780K and the most recent union proposal was looking for an even 1 million. Lowest arbitration salaries currently were clocking in at almost 2 million. So accounting for inflation and how much run way the team would give Pratt absolute worst case to get through 1 year of arbitration before non-tendering I'm getting 6 million. So yes in the worst case the team dumps a fair bit of money, but if he is only a defensive bench player if you assume a non-tender after the first year of arbitration and filling with league minimum guys over the remaining 4 years that still costs 10 million. If there is any development with the bat those numbers go up a lot once you get to arbitration. 

For example and this doesn't account for inflation, but former Brewer Mauricio Dubon has earned just under 24 million in his career. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/24579/mauricio-dubon

[Brian]

2 hours ago, igor67 said:

Joey Ortiz is about the worst possible outcome of the Pratt contract, and he has already earned 3.5 million in his career before even hitting arbitration. Current MLB minimum is 780K and the most recent union proposal was looking for an even 1 million. Lowest arbitration salaries currently were clocking in at almost 2 million. So accounting for inflation and how much run way the team would give Pratt absolute worst case to get through 1 year of arbitration before non-tendering I'm getting 6 million. So yes in the worst case the team dumps a fair bit of money, but if he is only a defensive bench player if you assume a non-tender after the first year of arbitration and filling with league minimum guys over the remaining 4 years that still costs 10 million. If there is any development with the bat those numbers go up a lot once you get to arbitration. 

For example and this doesn't account for inflation, but former Brewer Mauricio Dubon has earned just under 24 million in his career. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/24579/mauricio-dubon

Brewers are doing it because Ortiz is just over league minimum.  Why else would they? Yelich is making 30 times Ortiz's salary which is a farse.