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It was Gasser for Goldschmidt and Burnes traded to pay for Goldy. I just cannot wrap my head around that approach. If you're gonna add Goldy, trade for him, but then one year of a power hitting 1B, you may as well keep Burnes. This balancing where you are adding some offense and taking away some pitching...and in this case, you're also trading the most likely replacement for Burnes. But I've even seen Arcia(who has 1 year left) as a suggestion for an Adames trade. Feels like half measures.

No reason to. That's the name of the Stadium where the Brewers play...and if you tell me otherwise, I will plug my ears and make childish sounds.

Of course you wouldn't. When does a team trade a Cy Young winning pitcher in his prime and get back a prospect who's going to immediately approximate his value that next season? If that's the standard, you're never going to be happy with the return. An arm like Frasso or Stone could easily be plugged into the rotation for the next nearly 7 years, and you likely get a couple lower level fliers back as well. There's also Bobby Miller, Pepiot...though I doubt we get either back.

Ok...I'm not speculating on rumors and this thread is...fairly easy to follow;

And there's still no reason to agree to that on Woodruff's side. The Brewers get him locked in at what he'd make either way(the very minimum of what he'd make) and he gets...what he'd get either way? That really doesn't make sense unless you get a buyout and then I'm pretty sure you can't decline the option and make a QO. The upside for Woodruff doesn't change but the downside changes massively.

You have to at least see what is available. It's just not lining up with Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta and then the next core. If you can get a guy like Painter from Philly for Burnes and Williams, I'd take that and two young guys who are fliers My thinking is pretty simple. This era of the Brewers is over and we're quickly coming up on the next one, it's not going to overlap, we can pretty much see that now. This was also the impetus for me suggesting another move that I've said from the jump was VERY unlikely to happen, but it's pretty simple. What's the best chance to win a WS? A dynamic offense with Chourio, Contreras, Quero(both or you trade one), Frelick, Wilken, Black, Mitchell, Turang and Wiemer(I still believe both are going to be 3-4 WAR players Wiemer could be significantly higher at his peak). At the same time here, you've got another pretty significant wave of talent coming through that at least as of now is pretty highly regarded. So looking forward and I feel like we're pretty well set up offensively, we're pretty well set up with our BP, and guys will always step up in both places, but especially the Bullpen. The rotation is the question mark. Gasser, Rodriguez both look like really good #3/4 starters. Peralta is a #2/3 on a WS caliber team. Ashby has Ace upside, but the dreaded shoulder. Misiorowski has deGrom like potential, but so clearly has a very low floor as well. So I'm just in favor at this point of a clean slate and doing what we can to add to an elite farm system. That was the impetus for another trade proposal I suggested while stating it was incredibly unlikely. But I don't want this tepid BS. Don't try and appease the fans so you can sell 2.4M tickets. You'll sell tickets if you have a great team and if you've got a 40/70 player and you've got a stacked lineup(and even more so if you sign him early in his career so you know he's there through his 20s). I think moving to the next chapter is the better move and as much of a clean slate(while adding as many assets) as possible is the best way to go.

Ok, you're talking about the likelihood he's productive again. He's talking about his earning potential. Unless non-tendering him is on the table, then lets say he misses the entire '24 season due to surgery. What do you think he'd get as a FA? Is it more or less than 5M dollars for a former Ace coming off a shoulder injury? I think we could agree it'd be well over 5M for a team like the Dodgers or...whomever. So 2/20 is probably not worth it for Woodruff at this point. You'd need at least 2/28 to thread the needle most likely. We'll see 1st if he needs surgery as I haven't heard thus far that he will. Exactly. Surgery, a full year off and he'd still safely get 10M.

I gave this a thumbs up...because I agree! I give a thumbs down if I disagree. It's not much more than that. I tend to post a lot. Others aren't as vocal. I'd prefer(usually) if you expanded on your opinion, but...if people don't want to, so be it.

I'm not taking a shot at the Bears...but is anyone Bears level bad at developing QBs outside of Cleveland? They're particularly bad. As for AZ, just 13M in dead cap, but more importantly, they'd save cap space. ~5M and they'd be almost 75M under the cap. Arizona gets to start over and trade Murray. Plus, he's a pretty good young QB, though AZ will probably be happy just to move off him. I'd guess Atlanta might be interested at that price and then AZ gets a high 2nd. Win-Win. Those two teams are likely to completely change the direction of their franchise though. I think this will be a historic draft class. If ever there was a class to have two picks. And I think people are really sleeping on Maye as well. He's a unique prospect;

Wait...WHAAAAT! Yelich has a No Trade Clause? So he can veto the trade? No way...that's almost like being 10/5. Amazing. What a fresh perspective here!

Yeah, it's a bad contract for the Brewers. Saying it's as likely as signing Judge is...LOL...c'mon. I JUST gave you an example of the very same team taking on a 9 figure contract a couple posts ago. You KNOW you don't believe what you're saying.

I certainly wouldn't suggest the Brewers get a large return. Carlos Herrera, Daniel Missak and a 3rd prospect type of trade and...if that 3rd pitcher does turn into Peralta, great, but it's really just about trading Yelich. And I get why that's not popular...but I think what will be popular, would be signing Chourio(for instance) very early on in his career would be very popular. I also believe the Brewers should have tried to sign Burnes after the 2020 season(we don't know if he was offered a deal prior to that, but we know he wasn't offered one since then).

I was refuting the idea that his value was so low the Giants wouldn't want to take the contract on by showing you an example of another player at age 32 who had nearly identical offensive production and they traded for him. It's not a 1 for 1 analogy, but it's about as close as you can get. And I'm not sure why you're jumping in here and saying they don't HAVE to make this trade after I literally said that exact same thing. I'd rather see them use their payroll on players between 20-30 moving forward. By the time they start to get expensive and into the 2nd year of arbitration, you're talking about trading him. So if Chourio was an Acuna Jr, this is the year they'd be moving off him most likely. Just because you don't have any other bad outstanding contracts doesn't mean you keep the one you have.

Sure...I suppose that's what started the conversation. The idea that you could put Chourio, Frelick and then Mitchell and Wiemer in the OF. Perkins and Taylor are also both look like adequate 4th OFers as well. This is clearly unlikely to happen and of course it's speculative, but that's the entire point of this forum. It's not like anyone here is dictating the Brewers roster decisions. If the Brewers could walk away from Yelich and his deal at this point, at a time when they're moving on from Burnes, Adames...likely Woodruff and Williams in the next couple years, it'd make sense to.

I don't know think it'd be a non-starter. I think it'd be a thin needle to thread and I said I don't think it's likely. You're saying there's ZERO reason to trade him in part because he's the face of the franchise. There are players all the time that the Brewers wouldn't go after in Free Agency, but other teams will obviously. Lets start out with IF he were a FA, what would he be likely to get? I think 5/110 is a pretty reasonable number given the lack of FA's out there. Evan Longoria to the Giants is a perfect example. The Rays owed him 6/100 in 2017 and the Giants traded for him despite the fact that 3 of the previous 4 years he'd had pretty average years. They were both 32 years old the first year with the Giants and the previous 4 seasons, Longoria had a .767 OPS, 111 OPS+ Yelich has a .768 OPS. 112 OPS+. So no, it's not a non-starter, it's a reason for the Brewers to want to move off of him. The Giants can take on far more risk than the Brewers can.

There's zero reason? There's several reasons. The last 3 seasons, his ongoing back issues, the remaining years on his contract will be ages 32-36, the Brewers financial limitations...those are all obvious reasons.

He's coming off a 3.6 WAR season, it's a unusually weak FA class and he had a NTC before hitting 10/5 anyway, so he'd always have to accept a trade. I don't think it's true he has no trade value. If he was a FA, I think he'd probably get somewhere in the 5/110 range. If that's the case and you can move him, I'd move him. That's why it's being talked about. That contract is thee reason to get rid of him.

Eh...yeah. I thought they had a chance...but I'm actually more fine with this loss than any other playoff loss by one of my teams. I've just kinda come to accept it.

Well...of course there are reasons why a team wouldn't want him. I'm just looking at a team like the Giants. They seem more willing to take on the risk and older players. And if they go out and sign Ohtani, then they're going all in for next year. I think by the end of his deal, he's a Lo Cain type player, probably walks a bit more, but I think it's going to be ugly. So I think right now will be your best chance to move on. But I accept the chances that they could make a trade without eating more than the ~28M deferred and then the 6.5M buyout and just the 5/110M are probably slim and the chances that he'd agree are even lower. It's also really not something they HAVE to do. It's just something I'd do if I could. But he's hardly the problem. I think he was on base 6 of 10 times this series. A pretty stupid base running blunder, but he had a good year. 22M a year and then deferred money is a good deal for what we're getting right now and...maybe he'll age like Brantley where he's still got some really good years and he has some years he misses a lot of time. What's important is how good Chourio, Quero, Black...the rookies we've seen, how do they develop. The Yelich thing is a bit fantastical.

I think both Williams and Maye are franchise type QBs. Maye reminds me of an Andrew Luck physically. He's a big guy, strong arm, mobile and I think he goes #1 in most drafts. I do think Williams is on the same level as those QBs. If the Bears end up with the 1st AND 2nd picks...I think they'll be able to get a massive haul for either. The #1 would be an enormous haul. I think him pulling an Eli would hurt him as he'd probably have his own idea where he'd want to go. But setting that aside, if you get the top 2 picks, the #2 pick then effectively has the value of a #1 pick in most drafts. IF they could trade that 2nd pick and move down just a few spots and pick up a future 1st+ and still get Fashanu, or whomever ends up being the top OT prospect...Alt looks incredible to me, Mims was a 5 star recruit who looks elite...but perhaps a future RT, maybe Latham...I don't know, but they'll be good. I think Poles made a brilliant trade last year. Even not taking Carter and drafting Wright was a good move IMO. He looks like a franchise LT. I think you can win with EITHER an elite OL and a good QB or an elite QB and a solid OL. If you're elite in both regards, you'll be a contender every year. We'll see, but it has me actively rooting for the Bears.

Buck Showalter? Hard pass.

Yeah, when you're trying to grow cartilage in your knee, you're not going to be back in a few months. If this surgery works...he'll probably be really good again. As far as I understand it, it's far from certain. I'll be a big fan when they put him in the Packers HOF. I'd remain open to him coming back next year. But we're 3 years into this now and at best you maybe bring him back if he takes a ~15M paycut next year. 4M+ incentives at most, but you shouldn't plan on him coming back.

I think Detroit has figured it out. I don't think you need elite QB play if you have elite players around him...and I think the Lions have just that. They've been a perennial doormat, I don't think they are any longer. I don't recall the Bears ever being viewed as having the brightest future of anyone in the NFL North in the recent past. I don't think anyone really thought Trubisky was an elite QB and they certainly didn't have a great team around him. The culture in Detroit has changed, their infrastructure has changed. I don't think they're a doormat any longer. They may have a ceiling with Goff. The Rams did. But they can still be a really good team. And we still haven't seen that team at full strength yet.

I don't actually think Caleb Williams is going to pass up going to Chicago and trying to turn that franchise around. I was trying to talk **** to a Bears fan! And frankly, if he does do that, I'd lose respect for him. You have the chance to go to one of the...great sports cities(that almost made me puke to write) and turning around the Bears and you choose to not do that because it's too hard? If he's really "like if Patrick Mahomes went back to College," then he should be confident anywhere. According to one guy who covers the Bears(it's on Twitter, so take it with the smallest possible grain of salt that it's worth), he said there's "literally nothing" Justin Fields can do between now and the draft to stop the Bears from taking Williams if they have the 1st pick. I think it's pretty simple. If Caleb Williams is the QB prospect everyone says he is, and if Fashanu is the "Orlando Pace like LT prospect," you do that. You take Williams, you put Fashanu at LT, you have two ELITE OTs and a Franchise QB and you buy back ownership to your franchise. You could have a really good offense next year. And beyond that, there are so many edge prospects who are FAs. As of now it looks like Gary, Allen, Burns, Sweat, Young. You can address the defense later but I don't see how they pass up a draft that would set them up with an offense that would probably be really good the first year. Moore, Mooney, Kmet, Johnson, Herbert. I am genuinely rooting for the Bears to keep Justin Fields for one more year as a result of all this. I hope they focus on the defensive side of the ball and hedge their bets. I don't think they will if they're picking 1-2 of just have the #1 pick.

There are a few things in here I don't totally agree with. I'm not sure Mitchell is a 25HR guy just yet...but THIS is exactly what should happen next year. The knee jerk reaction to watching the end of an era of an offensively incompetent team is completely understandable, but they've addressed that in the best way they can...by developing it. Chourio, Wilken(ACC All-Time HR leader), Wiemer...everyone we know about. They just need time to develop. So next year is kinda like the Packers this year. You let the young guys play, see where you are after that, hopefully you've found important young pieces and THEN you go out and spend resources on addressing those positions more aggressively. Taking another Wisconsin Sports team, if the Brewers were in the same place as the Bucks, then it'd make sense to go out and overpay for a big bat like Alanso at 1st and try and fit those final pieces in there...but I just don't it like that in Baseball. I like the "Bites at the apple," idea...I'd just like to see some more teeth...