Is 2008 Yost's last shot? Latest: What are we doing? I am getting worried! (reply #212)

[pete]

I'm not a Ned fan, but don't you have to count on Mench having an awareness of the situation?

[1992casey]

You'd think you could count on Mench to have that awareness, and it wouldn't have been like letting Estrada hit in that situation, but players tend to be what they are.

 

That brings up another Yost issue. He has his players do what he thinks they should do vs. what they actually can do. Having Brady Clark frequently attempt to steal (2006) might be the poster child example. Last year's example would have been using Turnbow on back to back days.

[adambr2]

I'm not a Ned fan, but don't you have to count on Mench having an awareness of the situation?

 

I believe at one point in the season, Mench actually had a lower OBP than batting average. (Yes, it is possible). He didn't seem to have any remote awareness of the strike zone or situation all season.

[TooLiveBrew]

He has his players do what he thinks they should do vs. what they actually can do. Having Brady Clark frequently attempt to steal (2006) might be the poster child example. Last year's example would have been using Turnbow on back to back days.

 

Nice point. Ned's biggest weakness imo is managing for what he imagines could or may happen, as opposed to what is most likely. That's a succinct way of phrasing my problem with him as manager.

[MoneyballMan]

This one may set a record. It can easily be transformed into the "fire Ned Yost thread" (like the one that grew to what, 80 pages last year?) We're on the 4th page of the thread and spring training hasn't even started yet!

[trwi7]

I believe at one point in the season, Mench actually had a lower OBP than batting average. (Yes, it is possible). He didn't seem to have any remote awareness of the strike zone or situation all season.

 

Braun did very early. Mench never did but on June 26th he was batting .272 with a .273 OBP. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

 

 

[Oldcity]

It's obviously tough to quantify how many wins Yost may have cost the team, but he certainly had a large number of indefensible moves.

• Mench over Jenkins against Dempster.
• Letting Aquino face Pence with the game on the line.
• Losing close games down the stretch without even using your best reliever, including one so awful that it inspired a full-length column at baseball prospectus.
• Leaving Turnbow in one or two walks too long.
• Subbing Braun for defense in games that are still close.
• The Pujols-McClung-La Russa beanball "mine's bigger than yours" disaster.
• Countless other times where his only defense was him playing a hunch or going with "the flow of the game."

That's just way to many inexcusable moves to not lose your job. If 2008 is not his last shot I'll be irate, considering that he shouldn't have even had a shot at his last shot.

[TooLiveBrew]

That's just way to many inexcusable moves to not lose your job. If 2008 is not his last shot I'll be irate, considering that he shouldn't have even had a shot at his last shot.

 

I dunno... the math is probably still on his side.

[trwi7]

I dunno... the math is probably still on his side.

Maybe Mark A. woke up to take a leak, looked in the mirror and saw "One more chance" written on his forehead.

[berniebrewer4life]

Not a huge shocker for me. But i thought they might wait till the season started to do it.

 

JS Online link.

 

Edit: Link and additional info in title - Toby

[craigharmann]

Does that mean that he'll be fired by the all-star break?

[crewcrazy]

Seems pretty obvious that this was done just to make sure Yost isn't seen as a Lame Duck Manager in the clubhouse. His job isn't any more secure past this season, IMO.

[iluvlamp]

Great news!

 

*punches self in face*

[brewtank34]

I was listening to Haudricourt on the Homer Show this afternoon saying that Melvin told Haudricourt that Yost's option was picked up almost a year ago, it was just never released....actually, DM said that he "must have forgotten to release it."(Haudricourt).

 

Whatever....Yost better man up this year, that's all I'm saying. I would hate for this team and our fans to be crushed because of Yost's shortcomings as a Manager.

 

This is OUR year!!! Go Brewers!!!

[sbrylski]

I think Ned is going to look a lot better this season with the lack of platoons and wide variety of veteran bullpen arms that can get the job done.

[And That]

My favorite quote from TH's blog entry:

 

"People are fired in the middle of contracts," said Melvin. "It doesn't matter whether contracts are picked up or not. I could be fired, too, and I have two years left on my contract."

Doug is so coy!

[TooLiveBrew]

Nice find, AT. Doug knows how to play the game, to be sure. That's very reassuring to read, but then again is probably just general Melvin vague-ness.

[Beer and Braunies]

I never understand the point of a one year extension for a coach, Yost knows hes on the on hot seat and theres no guarantee he's managing next year regardless.

[logan82]

I wish they would have announced this around October last year. I think this board would have exploded, literally.

[Brian the Automator]

Even if the coach is on the hot seat, the last thing you want is him feeling like a lame duck on top of that.

[hauser42]

Better team than last year, so he should be ok. Less Goeff Jenkins and no Bill Hall in the OF will make Ned's life much easiser.

[GenoSeligPrieb]

And in other "Too Late Now!" news, snuck by at a more opportune time, and released to the media, well after the fact:

 

- The mozzarella cheese used to make those Pizza Hut Stuffed Crust pies that you already ate? The cheese came, not from cow milk, but from rats!

 

- Britney Spears's publicist revealed that the pop star already signed a deal last March, to open her own chain of hair salons.

 

- RC2 Corp says that your toddlers are already playing with millions of toys, manufactured in China, of the new Thomas the Tank Engine locomotive, Asbesty and the new engineer, Mr. Paint Chips.

 

- Dr. Phil agreed to a contract extension for 3 more TV seasons...now that he stopped visiting starlets in the hospital, with cameras filming.

 

- ESPN belatedly released a tape, showing Roger Clemens injecting Peter Gammons with truth serum.

 

- DreamWorks announced that they secretly filmed "Norbit 2."

[Sheets4theHOF]

Great news!

 

*punches self in face*

funny, i had the same reaction.

[TooLiveBrew]

Nice, GSP. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

I wish they would have announced this around October last year. I think this board would have exploded, literally.

Not meaning just BF.net, but I wonder how much of a role all the public distaste for Yost played in Melvin "forgetting" to announce this. I'm guessing right around the time of the two Attanasio votes of confidence (Oct. '07), this was ironed out. Very savvy play by Attanasio & Melvin.

[trwi7]

Melvin should've written this on his forehead so when he got up to take a leak he would remember. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif