Game Thread (9/27/2022): Cardinals (Mikolas) at Brewers (Houser) - 6:40 PM CDT

[yourout]

Just now, sveumrules said:

Phillies lost.

THE DREAM IS STILL ALIVE

Not sure what the lowest odds at this point in the season to ever win a world series title is but if the Brewers somehow magically pulled that off it would have to be right up there with the longest odds ever.

[NBBrewFan]

9 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

Can those teams absorb a bad contract easier than the Brewers? Yes or no. 

 

Edit: are they also shorter than the Yelich contract? 

The Brewers have ~$250M in revenues.  They can absorb that plus another extension.  They just like to pretend they are poor so that the owners can ride the Brinks trucks to the banks with their huge profit each year (>10% dividend). Attanasio bought into Norwich FC because he need's investment and the associated "losses" will offset the profits from the Brewers.  He isn't throwing the money away he is going to increase the value of the team which goes into Capital Gains and isn't taxed until sale and at present at a fraction of income. 

[Nola Beery]

Random Aside:

I listen on MLBTV audio. For most of the season I have heard a bunch of annoying generic national or local (New Orleans) ads between innings. Tonight I'm getting Milwaukee-centric ads again (which  I prefer for novelty, all things considered).  Weird but OK. 

[yfinn6]

2 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

The Brewers have ~$250M in revenues.  They can absorb that plus another extension.  They just like to pretend they are poor so that the owners can ride the Brinks trucks to the banks with their huge profit each year (>10% dividend). Attanasio bought into Norwich FC because he need's investment and the associated "losses" will offset the profits from the Brewers.  He isn't throwing the money away he is going to increase the value of the team which goes into Capital Gains and isn't taxed until sale and at present at a fraction of income. 

This reads a lot like other posts who expects our owner to really open his pocket books when it's not going to happen. Whether he has the money or not is beside the point. 

[Simba2020]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Yelich is definitely not the same guy now that he was when we traded for him. He's a similar style but worse version. Yelich 4 full seasons in Miami he averaged 4.1 bWAR per 650 PA. In 21 and 22 Yelich is averaging 2.1 bWAR per 650 PA.

Agreed. His fWAR for his last 3 years in Miami was about 3.8 per year versus 1.8 the last two years. Slugging was .447 versus .378. Plus, supposedly he could play defense then. As a soon to be 31 year old that should be relegated to DH duties going forward, if he was a FA this offseason, he'd be lucky to get a 2 year $20 million contract.

[Jopal78]

4 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

The Brewers have ~$250M in revenues.  They can absorb that plus another extension.  They just like to pretend they are poor so that the owners can ride the Brinks trucks to the banks with their huge profit each year (>10% dividend). Attanasio bought into Norwich FC because he need's investment and the associated "losses" will offset the profits from the Brewers.  He isn't throwing the money away he is going to increase the value of the team which goes into Capital Gains and isn't taxed until sale and at present at a fraction of income. 

Yeah, the billionaire 1%er owner of the Brewers, is keeping the lights on in his mansions by pocketing profits from the Brewers. Or Giannis can’t otherwise buy whatever he really wants without his distribution of profits.
 

Maybe try to demonstrate you have some idea what you’re talking about. 

[NBBrewFan]

1 minute ago, yfinn6 said:

This reads a lot like another post who expects our owner to really open his pocket books when it's not going to happen. 

Revenue Sharing has pretty much made it possible for every team to run a profit unless they spend like a drunken sailor on their first shore leave in 6 months.  Nobody needs to open up any books.  The numbers for revenue sharing are out there and the team payrolls are too.  The uncertainty is where the Team payroll lands as a % of total expenses and most teams are in the 65% - 45% range.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Jopal78 said:

Yeah, the billionaire 1%er owner of the Brewers, is keeping the lights on in his mansions by pocketing profits from the Brewers. Or Giannis can’t otherwise buy whatever he really wants without his distribution of profits.
 

Maybe try to demonstrate you have some idea what you’re talking about. 

I don't even think Mark is a billionaire. At least I can't find any sources that list his net worth in the billions.

[Pugger]

19 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

They bought Yelich at the top of the market price, so what? Clearly ‘18 and ‘19 are outliers but stats-wise he’s still the same guy they traded for in February of ‘18.

Had they not extended Yelich and he then continued to put up video game numbers and walked as a free agent, there would be an equal number of people incensed he wasn’t given an extension. 

Perhaps we shouldn't have given him such a long extension...?

[yfinn6]

1 minute ago, NBBrewFan said:

Revenue Sharing has pretty much made it possible for every team to run a profit unless they spend like a drunken sailor on their first shore leave in 6 months.  Nobody needs to open up any books.  The numbers for revenue sharing are out there and the team payrolls are too.  The uncertainty is where the Team payroll lands as a % of total expenses and most teams are in the 65% - 45% range.

No.

Revenue sharing is a drop in the bucket compared to media deals the "big spenders" have and Milwaukee has almost NO media income as far as their regional sports network (via advertising). Now that Fox Sports Wisconsin is gone, who knows where this club will continue to go to get that advertisement money. Some clubs have their own freakin' network and the Brewers can't compete with that. 

[yfinn6]

Shocked that Narvaez killed another inning. 

[HarryDoyle]

Friendly reminder that this is a game thread. If you'd like to talk about Yelich's contract you can post here:

 

https://brewerfanatic.com/forums/topic/38830-article-yelichs-decline-and-the-brewers-current-offense/

 

[Nola Beery]

WAR schmar. It used to be "Alright, Yelich is coming up!"  Now it's, "Yelich is up, maybe he'll get a walk (so the next guy up will hit into a DP.?).".  <Insert 5 lbs. salt>

[Brewcrew82]

Man our outfield is going to be so sick next year with Mitchell, Frelick, Renfroe, Wiemer, and Ruiz...

[Nola Beery]

2 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Friendly reminder that this is a game thread. If you'd like to talk about Yelich's contract you can post here:

 

https://brewerfanatic.com/forums/topic/38830-article-yelichs-decline-and-the-brewers-current-offense/

 

Yelich is playing in this game.

[Jopal78]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I don't even think Mark is a billionaire. At least I can't find any sources that list his net worth in the billions.

Well, let’s not forget he’s the majority owner of the Brewers, which would conservatively be valued at 1 billion dollars. Assuming he owns at least 51% that’s a half billion in net worth, without considering whatever hedge fund monies he has outside of baseball which is in the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.

They don’t buy these teams for the profits, it’s for the equity. The profits whatever they may be are change to the billionaire class who own most professional sports teams in America

[HarryDoyle]

Just now, Nola Beery said:

Yelich is playing in this game.

So are 17 other guys.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Good lord, if we finally just killed off all the "owners are pretending they can't pay players" posts tomorrow, it wouldn't be fast enough. 

[yfinn6]

1 minute ago, HarryDoyle said:

So are 17 other guys.

It's baseball, it's slow moving. There is discussion. We cannot discuss a player's contract during the game?!?

[wibadgers23]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Man our outfield is going to be so sick next year with Mitchell, Frelick, Renfroe, Wiemer, and Ruiz...

That’s assuming they actually give all the youngsters a chance to play. I remain skeptical.

[Nola Beery]

1 minute ago, wibadgers23 said:

That’s assuming they actually give all the youngsters a chance to play. I remain skeptical.

Are they playing in THIS game?! I think not! Stop talking about them.. <IRONY ALERT> ?

[GoBrewers1982]

Luv that movie, use that quote all the time! So it’s 6 more ridiculous years of this crap….. I can not even take one more game of him pounding it into the ground to the infield or just striking out!

42 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

The extension was signed three years ago, so only six more years.

The $215M announced value included the two years still remaining on his original extension from MIA, after this season there is 162.5 million remaining.

Yelich has a full no trade clause & while he may not have earned his full paycheck, he has put up 2.5 WAR so far this year.

”Lighten up, Francis” -Sgt. Hulka

 

[NBBrewFan]

4 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

No.

Revenue sharing is a drop in the bucket compared to media deals the "big spenders" have and Milwaukee has almost NO media income as far as their regional sports network (via advertising). Now that Fox Sports Wisconsin is gone, who knows where this club will continue to go to get that advertisement money. Some clubs have their own freakin' network and the Brewers can't compete with that. 

In 2018, each MLB team received $209M in revenue sharing (less for the teams who went over the luxury tax). These numbers have only gone up each year as MLB has increasing revenues year-upon-year.

In 2020 only 6 teams had local TV deals in excess of $100M with the Dodgers by far the largest at $239M and the other 6 between $100M and $139M). Every one of those deals expires after 2030 so no change year to year or a big uptick.

Only the Dodgers make more from their TV rights than revenue sharing, while 25 out of the teams in MLB make 2/3rds of their revenue from REVENUE SHARING.

Yes a few teams have very large local TV deals, but most actually run a majority of their operations from revenue sharing.

The Brewers will always be behind in local TV because they are the smallest market, but there's plenty of money, if spent wisely for them to compete.  I'm not arguing that the playing field is level, but it is much more level for 75% of the teams than most people think.

[GoBrewers1982]

I think I figured it out. Braun introduced Yelich to PED’s in 2018, when Brawn left, Yelich took his own approach! Yelich, call Braun, tomorrow!

[HarryDoyle]

16 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

It's baseball, it's slow moving. There is discussion. We cannot discuss a player's contract during the game?!?

No