2022 Winter Meetings Super Mega Extravaganza Thread

[RWeeksFan23]

On 12/5/2022 at 11:18 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

I'd actually prefer Murphy or Kirk to Jansen, but those guys would cost significantly more. If you want to see what giving up the farm looks like...

Why would Murphy cost significantly more than Jansen?

They seem to be the same player, just that Murphy does admittedly have one more year of team control.

[Brewcrew82]

14 minutes ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

Why would Murphy cost significantly more than Jansen?

They seem to be the same player, just that Murphy does admittedly have one more year of team control.

One more year of control, better fielder, and played in 148 games this year (compared to a career high of 107 for Jansen in 2019). 

[BallFour]

12 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

One more year of control, better fielder, and played in 148 games this year (compared to a career high of 107 for Jansen in 2019). 

To piggyback off of this, Murphy also has a better track record hitting, Murphy has a career 116 WRC and Jansen has a career 98 WRC. 

[wallus]

Taillon to Cubs, 4 years and 68 million.

[Hopper]

Murphy is a pipe dream, sorry to say it, but someone has to do it.

 

[Brewcrew82]

15 minutes ago, Hopper said:

Murphy is a pipe dream, sorry to say it, but someone has to do it.

 

Not if we're willing to give up Frelick, Turang, Gasser, etc. But I wouldn't do it. 

[Hopper]

7 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Not if we're willing to give up Frelick, Turang, Gasser, etc. But I wouldn't do it. 

Exactly.

[StearnsFTW]

Mets acquire Brooks Raley.

That's a guy that would've fit like a glove into our bullpen.

1 year/$5MM with a team option for 24.

 

Would've been a great get.  Sigh.

 

[BallFour]

21 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Not if we're willing to give up Frelick, Turang, Gasser, etc. But I wouldn't do it. 

I would do that in a heartbeat

[brewcrewdue80]

47 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Not if we're willing to give up Frelick, Turang, Gasser, etc. But I wouldn't do it. 

I'd think Turang would be off limits after trading Wong.  And with seeing Jace and now Diaz signed by Oakland taking away best fits for infield versatile depth.

25 minutes ago, BallFour said:

I would do that in a heartbeat

That's pretty big price. 3 of the teams top 11 prospects? You're including #2 and 4, 11 seems overpay when all 3 are AAA experience and at or near ML call up. That immediately hurts some depth at 3 prime positions(CF,SS,SP]  Murphy does immediately fill a need, just why give up all that top level talent? Don't you have a Rk/A level to be the 3rd piece? Quero is also coming projected 2024. He'd actually make sense over Turang, while including Gasser.

 

Oh edit add, just realized with my top comment how Turang wouldn't really be needed in the trade after the A's signing Jace/Diaz.

[BallFour]

26 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I'd think Turang would be off limits after trading Wong.  And with seeing Jace and now Diaz signed by Oakland taking away best fits for infield versatile depth.

That's pretty big price. 3 of the teams top 11 prospects? You're including #2 and 4, 11 seems overpay when all 3 are AAA experience and at or near ML call up. That immediately hurts some depth at 3 prime positions(CF,SS,SP]  Murphy does immediately fill a need, just why give up all that top level talent? Don't you have a Rk/A level to be the 3rd piece? Quero is also coming projected 2024. He'd actually make sense over Turang, while including Gasser.

 

Oh edit add, just realized with my top comment how Turang wouldn't really be needed in the trade after the A's signing Jace/Diaz.

My line of thinking stems from maximizing the next two years of Woodruff, Burnes, and to a lesser extent Adames. We need to raise the floor and ceiling of this team, and I am not even talking about winning a world series I am talking about just making the playoffs. The six teams that made the playoffs in the NL on paper are all going to be just as strong as last year. I realize the game is not played on paper and there will be a lot of volatility but right now I see us a little bit below the Phillies now that they added Trea Turner's 5 wins with the snap of a finger. Anyway Sean Murphy is one of the few players that raises the floor and ceiling of the team. He also leads the league in pop time which will be important as controlling the running game will become more valuable in the new MLB enviornment. 

Yes that would be a lot to give up but look at the depth in our outfield in the system. Chourio, Frelick, Mitchell, Ruiz, Wiemer. Yes some will fail but even if some will, do we really have room for all of them to maximize their value for us? If I have to subtract from our plethora of OF prospects I would.

Turang I am just not sure how good he really is offensively, love the glove and love his speed.  Having said that, I wouldn't hesitate to cash in on his perceived value knowing he will never come close to having any sort of power with a career minor league ISO of .102, without a great hit tool we could just be talking about a player who may just have a career like Kevin Newman.

Gasser would sting but that would be the price of doing business.

 

Having said all that even these 3 as the framework wouldn't be enough. My guess is it is going to take two guys in the top 100 close to MLB ready or that have a small amount of MLB experience. So yes probably a pipe dream.

 

 

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, BallFour said:

My line of thinking stems from maximizing the next two years of Woodruff, Burnes, and to a lesser extent Adames. We need to raise the floor and ceiling of this team, and I am not even talking about winning a world series I am talking about just making the playoffs. The six teams that made the playoffs in the NL on paper are all going to be just as strong as last year. I realize the game is not played on paper and there will be a lot of volatility but right now I see us a little bit below the Phillies now that they added Trea Turner's 5 wins with the snap of a finger. Anyway Sean Murphy is one of the few players that raises the floor and ceiling of the team. He also leads the league in pop time which will be important as controlling the running game will become more important in the new MLB enviornment. 

Yes that would be a lot to give up but look at the depth in our outfield in the system? Chourio, Frelick, Mitchell, Ruiz, Wiemer. Yes some will fail but even if a couple do, do we really have room for all of them to maximize their value? If I have to subtract from our plethora of OF prospects I would.

Turang I am just not sure how good he really is offensively, love the glove and love his speed.  Having said that, I wouldn't hesitate to cash in on his perceived value knowing he will never come close to having any sort of power with a career minor league ISO of .102, without a great hit tool we could just be talking about a player who may just have a career like Kevin Newman.

Gasser would sting but that would be the price of doing business.

 

Having said all that even these 3 as the framework wouldn't be enough. My guess is it is going to take two guys in the top 100 close to MLB ready or that have a small amount of MLB experience. So yes probably a pipe dream.

 

 

[BallFour]

8 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Feel like Turang is overvalued in this and Gasser is undervalued but it pretty much evens out in my uneducated opinion. Yes I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

[wibadgers23]

Losing Frelick would be painful but I guess you have to give to get.

[Brewcrew82]

46 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Losing Frelick would be painful but I guess you have to give to get.

I'd give up Wiemer over Frelick if we did that deal.

[tmwiese55]

I don't think I'd give up that much prospect value for a C.  I know the market is thin on them but I'd rather just sign a blah one in the Narvarez type level for 1-2 years and keep all those prospects. 

[SRB]

I have very little interest in Jansen relative to his likely asking price. Catchers catch fire all the time and put up a strong 248 PA sample before falling back down to earth. In my opinion he is being vastly overvalued.

Sean Murphy, on the other hand, has been consistently good.

[brewcrewdue80]

Just seen a writeup the A's asked for Lars nootbar, #3 in ROY and GG winner Brendan Donavan, and StL's #1 pitching prospect/4overall Gordon Graceffo.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/mlb/athletics/.amp/news/the-as-were-asking-st-louis-for-a-haul-for-sean-murphy

Which led to Cards signing Contreras instead. They'll be asking for Ashby, 1 of Mitchell or Frelick, and Wiemer or Quero.  

 

Moving on, D'Arnaud from Braves? 

[wibadgers23]

Just go get Jansen or sign Vazquez. Stay away from any ridiculous package for Murphy.

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

The Winter meetings were definitely an extravaganza this year.  $1.6 billion spent in 4 days!  wow

[brewcrewdue80]

I know the meetings are over just dont want to start a thread. Kodak Senga was signed by Mets the other day. 5/75 but with luxury tax it is 90pct more this year. And I think 110 or 120 pct more the following year as they're nearing a 400Mil payroll. If they don't reset their tax amount this is about 5/160.

Giants signed Sean Manea recently today.

[brewcrewdue80]

Seeing rumors that As trading Murphy to Braves Brewers maybe getting Contreras? 3 team trade