Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[homer]

1 minute ago, Outlander said:

The Lazard signing will get the Packers another draft pick. He had a nice career with the Packers but don't think his numbers will ever be better than 2022.

yeah I saw someone guess late 4th early 5th for a comp pick

[Matt Breen]

29 minutes ago, homer said:

yeah I saw someone guess late 4th early 5th for a comp pick

I believe we got a 5th for MVS, so that seems pretty comparable. 

[adambr2]

Just get this deal done and make this diva the Jets' headache before he makes them sign all his buddies and then turns around and retires instead. 

[PeaveyFury]

1 hour ago, patrickgpe said:

Rodgers will be on McAffee tomorrow at noon and put this drama to end.

https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1635756547656523777?s=20

It would be beyond hilarious at this point, and it seems at least somewhat possible, if he doesn’t announce anything and everyone loses their minds.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, homer said:

yeah I saw someone guess late 4th early 5th for a comp pick

Comp picks are always at the end of each round.  Cannot be early 5th.

[adambr2]

37 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Comp picks are always at the end of each round.  Cannot be early 5th.

I think he meant the point in the draft where they would be sandwiched between the rounds, yes technically late 4th but for intents and purposes the late 4th/early 5th comp spot. 

[HarryDoyle]

2 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

Rodgers will be on McAffee tomorrow at noon and put this drama to end.

https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1635756547656523777?s=20

Fitting that the link is in blue.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I could totally see Rodgers throwing in the condition that he gets to announce this to the world personally.

[MrTPlush]

1 minute ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I could totally see Rodgers throwing in the condition that he gets to announce this to the world personally.

Did anyone not think this announcement was going to come on the podcast. He is on it weekly during the season and is really good pals with Pat. Better that than some annoying reporter who is wrong more than the weatherman.

As long as you don't do what LeBron did the one time

[patrickgpe]

It’s funny that I don’t know a single person who is hoping Rodgers announces he is going back to Green Bay. This is totally different that Favre which was atleast 50/50. 

[brewcrewdue80]

21 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

It’s funny that I don’t know a single person who is hoping Rodgers announces he is going back to Green Bay. This is totally different that Favre which was atleast 50/50. 

Probably based on the fact there's 0 SB victory chances keeping him here in GB. 13-3, 13-4, B2B MVPs and he didn't get us there. Now? GB defense blew their talent, the DC is back because Rodgers won 4 in row, keeping Barry to ruin them again. Fans dealt with Favre, who's only ruined his image further past his Packers career. Been there done that. Just rip the bandaid off on vs the years of getting our hopes up and then extremely letting fans down in brutal ways. Bucks are excelling, easy timing to take a break on Packers heartbreaks. That Lions game was the nail in the coffin.

I can't care less what happens with Rodgers in GB or gone. The FO has shown it wasn't helping Rodgers down the stretch, season after season. They wasted a 1st rd&4th rd pick on Love in 2020 lets go ahead and see how terrible a move they made. I don't want to be robbed of him not starting for a season as a GB QB anymore. Prove to me you were the smartest guy in the room getting Love, vs the dumbest.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think any front office argument is bunk after 2018. They did a lot to improve the team through various methods. You can get things wrong but that isn't the same as not helping. 

Plus, the whole thing kinda falls apart for me because a talent void wasn't keeping them out of the Super Bowl. They had teams to do it, just didn't execute. It happens. No guarantees of anything. When you lose at home to SF on a punt block that is not because you drafted Jordan Love. It's just way too myopic for me to waste my time thinking about.

Im pretty glad they drafted Love right now anyway.  

[wallus]

"The GM of the Jets, Aaron Rodgers, has agreed to trade Aaron Rodgers to the Jets"- Aaron Rodgers.

This is what I expect to hear on that show tomorrow.

[Fear The Chorizo]

9 hours ago, wallus said:

"The GM of the Jets, Aaron Rodgers, has agreed to trade Aaron Rodgers to the Jets"- Aaron Rodgers.

This is what I expect to hear on that show tomorrow.

I think I said it right after his training camp presser a few seasons ago - GM is not something ARod will ever do based on his propensity to value over the hill veterans on 53 man rosters.

[MrTPlush]

It is just probably best for both sides to move on. I thought Rodgers would retire a Packer, but the franchise just became way too incompetent. Ted Thompson did a good job sucking at the helm and the current GM/coach aren't that great either. Though I will say the GM/coach change helped us from this trainwreck from happening half a decade ago, they just haven't done great either. All that investment in the defense for little results and no investment in WRs sure became a glaring problem some of the last few years. Had Rodgers not won some MVP awards while carrying the team, he would have probably been gone the first time he could not stand the FO anymore. Then the FO decided to do anything to make him happy. 

If the Jets defense is legit and is similar next year, it is likely to be only the forth time in Rodger's career he had a Top 10 defense by points allowed standards. The other years were 2019 and 2008/2009. Would have been nice to manage just a few of those over the years. 

[patrickgpe]

A friend mentioned last night that this is no different than "The Decision" which was as bad of a PR move that any athlete has ever made, and I can't agree more. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The lack of investment in WRs is such a bizarre trope to me. He has consistently played with an all-pro WR from Day 1 until this past season, and almost always had a good OL. I suspect BK whiffed on thinking D.Adams was bluffing. I said this at the time, bu not signing Adams was a blessing for the long-term prospects of the team.

They also invested quite a few picks in WRs who just sucked, but it isn't like they didn't try. Rodgers must think the WRs were good since he wants them all to move with him. If we need 3 all-pro WRs for our $50mm QB something is very wrong. I also feel like people flip-flopped on this constantly. We needed to give Rodgers a defense and he can throw to whoever, no wait, we failed him at WR.

Honestly, I don't really get the big issue with the current FO. They've had some god-awful 3rd round picks and yeah nothing's been perfect, but generally I feel like attempts have been made to improve things with varying results. 

There are picks I'd like to have back and such, but I had way more anguish over late-stage Ted Thompson doing NOTHING year after year and just watching prime Rodgers be Atlas for what were 5-11 teams.

I think everybody is upset to varying degrees we got one title out of Rodgers. That's fair. Most people seem to have a person or two they blame for that. Personally I've just sort of accepted we were painfully close a bunch of times and just had some really unlucky fortune. It happens like that sometimes though, that is sport.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

9 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

A friend mentioned last night that this is no different than "The Decision" which was as bad of a PR move that any athlete has ever made, and I can't agree more. 

I don't think it's a lot like The Decision. For one, he's not the biggest star in football in the absolute prime of his career and GB fans and team aren't praying for his return.

If I were Rodgers I wouldn't give the scoop to a reporter either. They've done nothing but ridicule and mock him for the last two years and every off-the-cuff remark he's made on that show is a headline for a month. Plus this way he can spin it his way and come out saying the hold-up had nothing to do with me, etc. He could be making all that up of course, but I can't say I blame the guy for wanting to speak himself and not through ESPN or whoever.

Why not let his buddies get the scoop? 

[MrTPlush]

18 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

A friend mentioned last night that this is no different than "The Decision" which was as bad of a PR move that any athlete has ever made, and I can't agree more. 

How exactly is this anywhere close to 'The Decision'?

 

 

[patrickgpe]

22 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

How exactly is this anywhere close to 'The Decision'?

 

 

He is announcing his decision on a podcast, which is similar to on ESPN. I guess yes its a little different due to age and that he isn't a FA, but its still out of the norm to announce if you will accept a trade on any media, most people jut get traded. If they have the ability to not accept, it just doesn't happen. 

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

Honestly, I don't really get the big issue with the current FO. They've had some god-awful 3rd round picks and yeah nothing's been perfect, but generally I feel like attempts have been made to improve things with varying results. 

It's much more acceptable to have god-awful 3rd round picks behind solid to really good 1st and 2nd round picks, rather than the other way around like the end of the previous GM's run was doing. The front office has been just fine with how they've built and retooled the roster over the years under the constraints of having a veteran quarterback carrying a massive contract.  Look at what Tampa Bay has had to do this offseason even after TB12 had more team-friendly contracts while playing the same retire/unretire nonsense over the same stretch of time.  People will say "well, at least they won a Super Bowl", which is fair - but even with the crappy end of half defensive call in that NFCCG, Rodgers had multiple chances late in that game to win it and he didn't get it done.

[MrTPlush]

13 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

He is announcing his decision on a podcast, which is similar to on ESPN. I guess yes its a little different due to age and that he isn't a FA, but its still out of the norm to announce if you will accept a trade on any media, most people jut get traded. If they have the ability to not accept, it just doesn't happen. 

 

That is an assumption, that could easily be wrong. Like most, I assume he will say something...but this would be really far from the first time he went on that show and everyone thought he was going to say something big, just to not. Also, at most, I am guessing all he can really do is say he wants to play for them. There is probably more layers to complete in this trade. 

'The Decision' wasn't just announcing it himself. Dude got a full set, announced it well in advance, put it on ESPN, and had a really creepy/cringe interview before even announcing it. The comparison is like comparing a gourmet steak and lobster dinner to a lunchables.

[Fear The Chorizo]

In my perfect world at the moment, I think it would be awesome if Rodgers says he'd be good with a trade to the Jets as long as they sign all his guys + OBJ, the Jets then sign all of them and somehow find a way to make the cap implications work, and then the Packers trade him to the Colts.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm just ready for everyone to transition from complaining about how long it's taking to complaining about the return and how we should have traded him two years ago. 

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

5 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I'm just ready for everyone to transition from complaining about how long it's taking to complaining about the return and how we should have traded him two years ago. 

 

LOL entitled fanbase is entitled.

Now there is scuttlebutt that the holdup is that the Packers are demanding multiple 1st rounders. I predict that they'll get a 2nd this year, and a conditional pick next year based on if Rodgers plays in 2024, and how well he/the Jets do.