Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They were  not a good team but they weren't terrible even if you completely remove their "run" against a bunch of crappy teams. They barely lost to some decent/good teams. They played Philadelphia and Buffalo somewhat competitively. I had the feeling in most games last year they just were not quite there yet with a lot of the developmental players. I think many of those guys will take big steps up.

I think that they were a quintessential talented but very raw group overall. With better injury fortune they probably make the playoffs by a couple of games, but they did not have a lot of those anchor points available over the course of the year. I don't know that sitting Rodgers would have made a huge difference.

Just Watson and Doubs alone with another offseason and more comfort is something I'm looking forward to. I think Quay Walker is good. I'd like to see Gary back too. Like I said, I think they have a good team. I don't think they are too far from being there again with or without Rodgers but we will see.

[adambr2]

It would be such an Aaron Rodgers move to just retire now after all this. 

[DR28]

 

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Would anyone have any interest in Zach Wilson in return (in addition to pick compensation) as Love's backup?

eww....nope, not with the structure Wilson already has baked into his rookie deal being a #2 overall pick.  Assuming Rodgers is dealt I doubt Packers' brass would even want any semblance of a QB competition with Love headed into training camp, as Gute's own job security likely depends on what Love does as a starter over the next 1+ season.

People always talk about needing to get to the top of the draft to pick a franchise quarterback - well, what happens when you miss is you wind up trading a bunch of draft capital AND cut veteran salary elsewhere to try and bring in a veteran QB in the twilight of his career to make a run before your roster blows up in a couple seasons.  The Jets are currently over the cap by a couple million dollars, so any trade for Rodgers likely means a handful of restructures and a few more cuts for the Jets to make room for even some of his contract.

[adambr2]

10 minutes ago, DR28 said:

 

 

So just a couple more weeks to wait on this. 

[homer]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I think the division could also be pretty competitive. The Lions could be playoff caliber, the Vikings are usually in the thick of things. The Bears obviously stunk but depending on the pieces they add and Fields' development they could improve quickly. 

Lions are currently favorites to win the NFC North.

[Matt Breen]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Prediction - their 2nd this year (#43 overall), and a conditional 2nd next year which can become a 1st.

This would be pretty good if we can't get the 1st. I'll add this:

Jets get:

Rodgers
Packers #1 pick (15th)

Packers get:

Jets #1 pick (13th)
Jets #2 pick (43rd)
Jets #2 pick in 2024 (upgrades to #1 depending on Rodgers' playing beyond this year)
WR Elijah Moore 

Just a thought.

Moore could compete for our slot receiver role this year. 

 

 

[PeaveyFury]

38 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

So just a couple more weeks to wait on this. 

He should probably take another darkness retreat or two to think on it.

 

35 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

 

Packers get:

Jets #1 pick (13th)
Jets #2 pick (43rd)
Jets #2 pick in 2024 (upgrades to #1 depending on Rodgers' playing beyond this year)
WR Elijah Moore 

Just a thought.

Moore could compete for our slot receiver role this year. 

I'm in on this deal as well. If they settle for just the 2nd this year I'd like a player back. I like Jermaine Johnson as previously noted, but it does seem like they're souring/impatient on Moore and he'd be a nice get back in return.

[DR28]

 

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

This would be pretty good if we can't get the 1st. I'll add this:

Jets get:

Rodgers
Packers #1 pick (15th)

Packers get:

Jets #1 pick (13th)
Jets #2 pick (43rd)
Jets #2 pick in 2024 (upgrades to #1 depending on Rodgers' playing beyond this year)
WR Elijah Moore 

Just a thought.

Moore could compete for our slot receiver role this year.

Why would the Jets give up a good WR if they're bringing in Rodgers?

If they're going for it, they're giving up picks.  And probably more in 2024+ picks than 2023.

[LouisEly]

On 3/8/2023 at 12:34 PM, CheezWizHed said:

I think many people identified more with Favre than Rodgers. 

Especially women, more specifically older women, who know what it's like to be (afraid to be) replaced by someone younger.

[Joseph Zarr]

As we wait, I thought I'd share this tweet. Fairly interesting:

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

I think many people identified more with Favre than Rodgers.  Favre's deer-hunting, wrangler wearing, lawn mower riding, personality seems to fit more with the regular fan than Rodger's more CA-lifestyle type personality.  And especially over the past years as he has either changed or let people know more about himself. 

Or Favre's croc-wearing cell phone d-pics to sideline reporters, northwoods tail-chasing with his buddy Chmura, and propensity to try and bilk his home state welfare fund to build a volleyball arena....a true man of the people!

Favre's aww-shucks persona is a fraud.  Rodgers is weird, has a spiraling taste in increasingly bizarre women, and appears to hold grudges/look for slights everywhere he can to the benefit of nobody...but it doesn't seem like he's posing or putting on an act only when the cameras are on.  Let's be honest, many people have recently amplified the Rodgers off field drama just about every veteran QB has when teams bring in a young QB who could very well be the heir apparent because he chose not to get a Covid shot and then proceeded to get cute with words saying he was "immunized" instead of just being open about it.  

Assuming a trade to the Jets or other team happens in the near future, I hope both sides move on respectfully and Love takes full advantage of his opportunity to take the reins of a pretty decent roster in a winnable division for 2023.  It would be a double-rainbow unicorn miracle for the onfield transition to be as seamless from Rodgers - Love as it was from Favre - Rodgers, but I do think the parting of ways is going to be smoother than that training camp when the ol' gunslinger decided to show up in Green Bay after retiring.

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I think many people identified more with Favre than Rodgers.  Favre's deer-hunting, wrangler wearing, lawn mower riding, personality seems to fit more with the regular fan than Rodger's more CA-lifestyle type personality.  And especially over the past years as he has either changed or let people know more about himself. 

Or Favre's croc-wearing cell phone d-pics to sideline reporters, northwoods tail-chasing with his buddy Chmura, and propensity to try and bilk his home state welfare fund to build a volleyball arena....a true man of the people!

Favre's aww-shucks persona is a fraud.  Rodgers is weird, has a spiraling taste in increasingly bizarre women, and appears to hold grudges/look for slights everywhere he can to the benefit of nobody...but it doesn't seem like he's posing or putting on an act only when the cameras are on.  Let's be honest, many people have recently amplified the Rodgers off field drama just about every veteran QB has when teams bring in a young QB who could very well be the heir apparent because he chose not to get a Covid shot and then proceeded to get cute with words saying he was "immunized" instead of just being open about it.  

Assuming a trade to the Jets or other team happens in the near future, I hope both sides move on respectfully and Love takes full advantage of his opportunity to take the reins of a pretty decent roster in a winnable division for 2023.  It would be a double-rainbow unicorn miracle for the onfield transition to be as seamless from Rodgers - Love as it was from Favre - Rodgers, but I do think the parting of ways is going to be smoother than that training camp when the ol' gunslinger decided to show up in Green Bay after retiring.

Note that the discussion about people moving on from Favre.  What happened after he left the team wasn't part of what people thought about him while he was on the team... that stuff hadn't happened yet. 

[patrickgpe]

7 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

This would be pretty good if we can't get the 1st. I'll add this:

Jets get:

Rodgers
Packers #1 pick (15th)

Packers get:

Jets #1 pick (13th)
Jets #2 pick (43rd)
Jets #2 pick in 2024 (upgrades to #1 depending on Rodgers' playing beyond this year)
WR Elijah Moore 

Just a thought.

Moore could compete for our slot receiver role this year. 

 

 

I’d rather just get the 13th pick 

[HarveysWBs]

There’s a lot of fog of war type stuff floating around right now, so it is hard to know anything for sure.  Personally, I think both sides are motivated enough to make sure a deal gets done (assuming 12 doesn’t get squishy in the next few days or something weird).  But I find it immensely humorous that Jets Twitter is increasingly under the impression that the delay is owing to Woody Johnson being a tightwad and squeezing the Packers on Rodgers’ salary.  As a Brewers fan, the overlap between Woody Johnson discourse and Mark Attanasio discourse tickles me.

[SeaBass]

8 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

There’s a lot of fog of war type stuff floating around right now, so it is hard to know anything for sure.  Personally, I think both sides are motivated enough to make sure a deal gets done (assuming 12 doesn’t get squishy in the next few days or something weird).  But I find it immensely humorous that Jets Twitter is increasingly under the impression that the delay is owing to Woody Johnson being a tightwad and squeezing the Packers on Rodgers’ salary.  As a Brewers fan, the overlap between Woody Johnson discourse and Mark Attanasio discourse tickles me.

I see where you're coming from but any and all concern about Rodgers' salary is fully contained to the salary cap. As much as I dislike the "just spend more" narrative around Attanasio they're just not comparable.

I honestly think the franchise that makes the Brewers look worst is right here in the same city, the Bucks. They are spending over the cap and paying millions in luxury tax (by all accounts they're not loving it but they're still doing it). Something I doubt we'll ever see from the Brewers franchise despite it being in the same small market.

[MrTPlush]

34 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

I honestly think the franchise that makes the Brewers look worst is right here in the same city, the Bucks. They are spending over the cap and paying millions in luxury tax (by all accounts they're not loving it but they're still doing it). Something I doubt we'll ever see from the Brewers franchise despite it being in the same small market.

The Bucks can also be a perennial Conference finals team because of a single player and a half competent front office to fill out the rest of the roster. 

Money does not quite as easily buy success as it does in the NBA.

[sveumrules]

32 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

I honestly think the franchise that makes the Brewers look worst is right here in the same city, the Bucks. They are spending over the cap and paying millions in luxury tax (by all accounts they're not loving it but they're still doing it). 

Edens, Dinan and Haslam (who rumor has it was brought in because Lasry didn’t want to pay the tax) have a combined net worth around $10B compared to around $700M for Attanassio.

The Bucks revenues are also much more in line with the rest of the NBA due to central revenue sharing, where the Brewers lag considerably behind most of MLB in terms of revenues.

It’s an apples to diamond encrusted platinum apples comparison.

[SeaBass]

I understand that guys, I'm not the one complaining about the Brewers spending lol. The sky is blue the grass is green and the NBA, NFL & MLB are all different. I'm just saying that's the closest thing because of the market they exist in and the Bucks are still overspending in the Milwaukee market regardless of how much the owners are worth, even if it's only because they are paying the tax which is like setting money on fire. If it applies to Attanasio it applies to them. At some point they will need to have a reset year just like all teams do that continually dip into the tax.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think Favre's fan reaction had anything to do with him how he 'identified' with people. The team had just recently been bad, 4-12 and 8-8, and then had just come off a painful playoff loss in which they very nearly made it back to the Super Bowl. So everyone's hope was to run it back at least one more time. It didn't make sense to most people watching why they wouldn't let Favre re-neg when they were THIS close to the big one. What nobody outside the org. knew was that they already thought Rodgers was really, really good. Like possibly better than Favre good.

Few people believed in Rodgers, so the team's resistance to just giving Favre what he wanted and allowing him to come back wasn't very popular.

It's also just different this time around, because most of the fans lived through a transition already, so the concept of the next guy being good isn't as much of a fairytale. People could be setting themselves up for disappoint there, but I think it's a real thing. People's memories are of the transition from Favre to Rodgers, not so much of the 1970s Packers.

 

[brewcrewdue80]

Favre to Rodgers, some Fandom take on the two.

Favre can be comparable with recovering from pain addiction(wrote a book about it), losing his father, being married and his wife going through cancer. This aside from his Mississippi roots and farm tractors.  Rodgers never married, not close to his family, Dates Olivia Munn, Danica Patrick, Shailene Woodley who was engaged to. Never followed through. What really is there in his outside NFL life that fans could compare with? While I'd like to say fans will remain strong on Favre's end over Rodgers 5-10years from now, probably won't be true since older generations pass on and the Rodgers generation will still be here.

To the trade idea with Jets. If the cap space will be troubled by adding a 1st rd pick, then I'd assume a 2nd rd pick with conditional 2nd or 1st rd depending say if that Jets pick would be top 10 next year. That Sauce comment is interesting. Do 3 team trades happen in the NFL? Could we see a team trade for Wilson send us their backup QB as we'll need 1 with a Rodgers departure.  

And the idea of doom days ahead. And to Packers SB expectations/projections last season.  Gary was lost and our Def Cord.  ran a poor scheme for 5? 6games? In to the season. Wasted use of what should have been a better defensive team.  Majority of that defense still here. There are 2 legit RBs still here. High potential WRs to grow a QB with. Not annointing them SB expectations in 2023, just that being .500 team or a game or 2 better isnt out of reality. Love comes in to a good situation with regard to having players around him to shoulder a load vs relying all on him. Lafluer and company drafted him with MLF's scheme in mind you would think. Rodgers may have gotten away with overriding MLF's playcalling. Maybe his scheme would produce better with a QB who stuck more with it.  Through these last 30years the Central/North has mostly been lacking quality beyond the Packers. And I wouldn't expect much of a change with the QBs now leading the other 3 teams. Teams have succeeded in years without an elite QB, its tougher certainly but great defensive teams have won SBs. We could be that team with a few adds to defense in this draft and growth from the young players returning.

[DR28]

I wouldnt mind bringing in Thielen.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, DR28 said:

I wouldnt mind bringing in Thielen.

I dunno. He's probably more name than substance at this point. He looked like he was running with cement shoes in Lambeau in December. I suppose as a mentor type for the young WRs he'd be ok, but they can probably do better production-wise for that role.

[MrTPlush]

People were mentally married to Favre. Part of that is probably the farm boy relatable vibe, but probably largely due to the fact the franchise was nothing for a really long time before him. Clinging to Favre through his decline was just much more exciting because even a crummy Favre would have a cult following. I mean people ran out and became Jets fans and then later bought into the purple Vikings jerseys.

Rodgers would probably have the same weird following if Favre never came before him. However, I doubt people go nuts to become Jets fans this time around. Also, the media and social media. I am not sure Favre would do too well in today's spotlight. It is just different times.