Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

You think if this falls apart A-Rodg is just gonna say "Shucks" and retire? Nah. Not a chance. Not even that he wouldn't necessarily want to, but he is not letting the Green Bay Packers dictate his retirement decision.

He is not dumb, he knows perfectly well that we are not insane enough to just go ahead and carry an absurd cap hit for him to do nothing this year. So while I can't say exactly how it would play out, I'm quite certain he'd be willing to wait us out knowing that we'd be forced into a trade or release at some point.

The league year has started and the Packers are under the cap and carrying Rodgers salary. 

Strange money things have happened before in the NFL. The Texans carried Watson’s salary for an entire year never considered releasing him yet  never played him once. 

You’re right it could get ugly, but Rodgers does t have a no trade clause. The Packers could ship him to Washington tomorrow for a conditional pick/s in ‘24 if Rodgers reports and plays. Then the ball would be in Rodgers’ court to put up and walk away from 58 million dollars or shut up and report. 

[adambr2]

I'll say this. Whether now, or in July, I think getting #13 in this trade is a pipe dream. (Unless a 13/15 swap).

 

If they land a 2nd this year and something that has a realistic shot of conditionally becoming a 1st in '24, that should be considered a huge win. 

Example:

(Realistic: Jets make the playoffs. Not realistic: Jets win the Super Bowl)

[KeithStone53151]

9 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

You know, I used to feel bad for Jordan Love. I have now realized the dude has made millions and since he is in his 4th year, unless he looks absolutely atrocious, his second prove it year will be the massive $20mil 5th year option.

Considering that, this is almost perfect timing if he ends up not be a relevant starter.

 

EDIT: Actually, don't they have to pick that up before this year starts? So he will make $20mil next year before proving anything on the field. 

You're completely correct if he's primarily financially motivated AND he's bad and would be bad in any circumstance. If he has desire to be great, it kinda sucks as that's 3 prime years he's not accumulating counting stats. And who knows what impact not playing for at least 2 of the years will have on his development. 

Side note, football really isn't my sport. I appreciate all the opinions on the Rodgers situation. I was very curious how strong our position is with him and what we might get back in compensation. Sounds like most think we have a pretty strong negotiating position, I hope you all are right. We need to get him out the door immediately, I wanted to trade him last year as he doesn't seem motivated to win. He seems all about Rodgers and kinda in coast mode. No matter the sport, some guys stop caring when they get a big enough contract or generally get enough money. Rodgers has gotten weird in general but I just don't think he's doing the right things to get ready to be a top 5 QB this year.

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

If he has desire to be great, it kinda sucks as that's 3 prime years he's not accumulating counting stats. And who knows what impact not playing for at least 2 of the years will have on his development. 

Hopefully it has about the same impact it did on Rodgers and we get to wait 13-15 more years before we're back in this same situation about a trade of a HOF Packer quarterback to the Jets, and feeling like they just won't be able to get enough return in a trade.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

7 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

He seems all about Rodgers and kinda in coast mode. No matter the sport, some guys stop caring when they get a big enough contract or generally get enough money. Rodgers has gotten weird in general but I just don't think he's doing the right things to get ready to be a top 5 QB this year.

 

How on earth would anybody know this? Last year he did the colon blow extravaganza and this year he went into a voluntary holding cell. It's March. I don't think anyone is doing much of anything. I doubt his offseason prep changed much from '20 to '21 to '22. He stopped caring, at 38, because he got a big contract? It is not like he was struggling financially before that.

Man, everyone knows sports are as short memory as it gets, but the takes on Rodgers this year are so wild to me. He's washed up and now he isn't preparing for the season, lol. He was hurt and they sucked. Father Time catches up to everybody, sure, but feels like people are putting waaaaaay too much stock in the fact he didn't win a 3rd straight MVP. This feels exactly like the "Brady is washed" train that came through about 5 years too early.

Spoiler Alert: Rodgers was always "weird." Always. There's an embarrassing video from his first year as a starter where he's strumming a guitar on the beach with Laura Orkin and doing an interview about all the same hippie and love and spiritual beauty stuff. There's the UFO sighting from what, 7 years ago? People mostly just tuned it all out. The grudges are nothing new, he's been doing that since the dawn of time. He has not changed. It was mostly after he took the wrong side on a polarizing issue that the coverage of him and his personality did change, though, and made him out to be this insane whacko who lost his mind, blowing every remotely against-the-grain thought he shared on McAfee into a month-long story.

[Fear The Chorizo]

He's washed up and now he isn't preparing for the season, lol.

It is weird that people have that take and then also are prematurely upset at whatever the Packers will get as a return by trading him, the annual retirement/trade circus, and his problematic contract out of town.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Wanting to steer this over to Love - really happy for him to get this opportunity headed into year 4 as the fulltime starter with a pretty solid offensive roster.  Yes, the Packers will need to pick up that 5th year option before this season starts, and most assuredly will do so - but they'll get a full 2023 season to watch him play and sort out if he's deserving of an initial contract extension that could soften that 2024 cap number (if necessary) and likely come at a bit of a discount given Love would only have 1 season as a starter...almost exactly the same setup as Rodgers' initial contract extension.

I can't fathom Packer fans are spoiled enough to have history repeat itself, but what Love did in garbage time against a really god Eagle defense on thanksgiving weekend looked an awful lot like what a young Rodgers did in Dallas on a November Thursday night game a long, long time ago.  Can't wait to see the kid play!

[patrickgpe]

11 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I'll say this. Whether now, or in July, I think getting #13 in this trade is a pipe dream. (Unless a 13/15 swap).

 

If they land a 2nd this year and something that has a realistic shot of conditionally becoming a 1st in '24, that should be considered a huge win. 

Example:

(Realistic: Jets make the playoffs. Not realistic: Jets win the Super Bowl)

Its crazy to me that the Jets would give up their 13th for 1 yr of Rodgers. A 13/15 swap and a 3rd seems fair. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I honestly think Rodgers is going to play for like 4-5 more years, but yeah I don't think this trade is going to be super wild. I think TS is close to the mark.

[Fear The Chorizo]

It was mostly after he took the wrong side on a polarizing issue....

I don't think there is a right or wrong side to that issue itself, I've always maintained to each their own - The problem I have with Rodgers from that whole ordeal in 2021 lies with how he played games with the words he chose ("immunized") in that initial training camp presser to intentionally draw attention away from him on that issue when many other players and people who made that same decision were being crucified for it publicly and oftentimes improperly pressured by their own workplaces.  He should have instead stated his own personal medical decisions are his or just been completely open and honest about his decision not to get the first round of Covid shots publicly.

That being said, I've always separated Rodgers' off the field noise from his onfield performance and standing in the locker room - his performance on the field offset any of the noise the organization/fanbase had to deal with from him by leaps and bounds up until this offseason.  It's not at all that the off the field stuff has gotten worse, it's that the combination of Rodgers' onfield performance/age/contract and Love sitting there ready to play makes it feel like the right time to move on.  And I do think Rodgers still has a few really good seasons left in him if he can stay healthy.

[JosephC]

16 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I honestly think Rodgers is going to play for like 4-5 more years, but yeah I don't think this trade is going to be super wild. I think TS is close to the mark.

Rodgers can flap his gums all he wants.  I don't see him retiring until the door is hitting his rear end on the way out.  Farve was going to retire the last 3-5 years when he was with the Packers, then was going to retire after his one year with the Jets, then was going to retire after his first year with the Vikings....and then did retire when his completion percentage slipped to 60%, his TD/INT ratio dropped to 11/19, his record as a starter went to 5-8 and nobody in the league wanted him anymore.

If Rodgers was Andrew Luck then we wouldn't have seen him in the last 10 years.  I'd put chances at 90+% that he falls in the Favre/Brady/Manning group and will continue to play as long as he is able.

[GAME05]

Rodgers has an odd way of being somewhat polarizing to both sides, from not getting a Corona shot to doing hippie stuff. But that most all of the negativity toward him really only started up last year I just chalk up to fans preparing themselves for him to leave. Like when you first break up with a girl, all of a sudden she's actually the W-- of Babylon, but you're really only saying it to make it easier. 

I'm excited to see Love play and I think he'll be a decent QB going forward. He's got some accuracy issues but otherwise makes the right reads, goes through his progressions and isn't scared in the pocket. Been a good while since we've had the excitement of wondering what a new QB can do.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 minute ago, GAME05 said:

Been a good while since we've had the excitement of wondering what a new QB can do.

To take your analogy one step farther, being single also sounds fun until you remember what it's like, lol.

[MrTPlush]

The fact people care about whether Rodgers was vaccinated or the fact he used weird wording to deflect the question is pretty weird.

I find it somewhat ironic people are going to whine about Rodgers still talking about the Packers drafting Love and so many are still stuck/offended by him saying the word ‘immunized’. 
 

I just care that he is good at football. When they drafted Love I thought he still had plenty in the tank. However, while I think he has a few good years left, I don’t think it will be consistent like most QB that make it to his age. So with that, I am fine with them moving on. Rodgers gets to go play for a team with a better defense than he has had 90% of his career and we can look to the future as we just can’t build a great team in the short term anymore.

I guess we will see what Love is all about. Hopefully he is the answer, but if not, hopefully we can unload the bandwagon fans that have become absolutely embarrassing and insufferable over the years. That would be the one positive to a rebuild and down years.

[Outlander]

I am excited to see what they have in Love. They will have to commit $20 million or so for 2024 before seeing him start but it isn't a long term commitment with huge cap implications so they have some flexibility with him. If he performs well they will have to give him a huge contract but the Packers QB has had a huge cap number for a number of years. 

[OldHeidelberg]

I think the 13th pick all by itself would be fair compensation, but I can see why the Jets likely won't give it up. If they are going all in with Rodgers for a year or 2 they need that starter. It's a premium pick and reading Jets forums they still need some help on the oline. Future picks they would probably part with easier as they hope they will be later in the rounds. I also think the Packers should be fine with picks in 24 and 25 as it will help to build around Love.

 

They have been running a top 10 Rodgers moments on NFL network all morning, reminded just how great it has been having him all these years and I agree it's sort of sad to see him shown the door even if I agree with it. It also made me think those who think he isn't worth much in a trade are wrong.

 

[PeaveyFury]

28 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

The fact people care about whether Rodgers was vaccinated or the fact he used weird wording to deflect the question is pretty weird.

I think the issue is more with the latter part of that, as he proved that what he says is deliberate and often deliberately misleading. For people to then take what he said yesterday as an accurate portrayal of the situation knowing his history is pretty odd.

As with any two-sided story, there's his story, their story, and the truth. What we heard yesterday was just his story, and he has a history of manipulating how he conveys his story.

[homer]

Just now, PeaveyFury said:

I think the issue is more with the latter part of that, as he proved that what he says is deliberate and often deliberately misleading. For people to then take what he said yesterday as an accurate portrayal of the situation knowing his history is pretty odd.

As with any two-sided story, there's his story, their story, and the truth. What we heard yesterday was just his story, and he has a history of manipulating how he conveys his story.

Rights=. For example, the Diana Russini story was completely true. Rodgers just didn't like how people were interpreting it so he went after the messenger and portrayed her as doing a bad job.

[MrTPlush]

55 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

I think the issue is more with the latter part of that, as he proved that what he says is deliberate and often deliberately misleading. For people to then take what he said yesterday as an accurate portrayal of the situation knowing his history is pretty odd.

As with any two-sided story, there's his story, their story, and the truth. What we heard yesterday was just his story, and he has a history of manipulating how he conveys his story.

I mean, his explanation of events was pretty simple and straight forward. Packers said they wanted him back right after season ended (makes sense as that is what they told the media). A few weeks later the tone seemed to change (which media reports also reported the same way) and the Packers wanted him gone. Rodgers says alright, well I want to play for the Jets then. He then claims the Packers are the ones holding it up at this point, which quite a few reports said before he went on the podcast.

He claims this would have gone down years ago had he not had back to back MVP years, which I’m not sure anyone is really going to deny. They probably didn’t draft love expecting MVP seasons coming up nor wanted to wait till his 4th year for him to start.

I suppose it is possible Rodgers made a bunch of crazy demands to stay and that is why the tone changed…not just to Packers taking time and realizing they wanted to move on. Nothing really points to that though.

[PeaveyFury]

7 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

I mean, his explanation of events was pretty simple and straight forward.

Sure was. The point is, it was HIS explanation. And he has a history of spinning things the way he wants to.

[SeaBass]

7 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

He then claims the Packers are the ones holding it up at this point,

The Packers AND the Jets are the ones holding it up. Negotiation is between two parties, not one.

[MrTPlush]

Just now, SeaBass said:

The Packers AND the Jets are the ones holding it up. Negotiation is between two parties, not one.

I mean, yah...that is kind of a given. 

[SeaBass]

1 minute ago, MrTPlush said:

I mean, yah...that is kind of a given. 

Right, it's just that there are a portion of people out there trying to put all the blame on the Packers. I'm not sure how Rodgers actually worded this part.

[adambr2]

Gutekunst and Ball shouldn't escape blame for how much easier, cleaner, and more beneficial in trade capital that it would have been to move on a year ago.

I know, I know, hindsight is 20/20, but foresight is kind of their job. Unless they're able to salvage a shockingly good return, they definitely deserve some criticism here. 

[OldHeidelberg]

38 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Right, it's just that there are a portion of people out there trying to put all the blame on the Packers. I'm not sure how Rodgers actually worded this part.

When I read the initial reports on the McAfee interview while at work yesterday they did make it sound like he was blaming the Packers when they took one quote out of context. Later when I saw more of the interview I realized he was really just explaining that they weren't waiting on his decision anymore, he didn't sound hostile to the Packers to me. I think those early reports are what gave that impression to some.