Madison Bumgarner DFA’d

[Jopal78]

9 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

This guy is an absolute pile of garbage. It would be hard to stomach him on the roster if he was good. He's not, so easy pass.

Well, they already have Matt Bush one of the few ex-cons in pro sports. So it’s not inconceivable based on reputation/history, plus they currently have Colin Rea a 32 year old journeyman with a career era of nearly 5 in their rotation and no other healthy SP depth to speak of. 

[Brewcrew82]

13 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Well, they already have Matt Bush one of the few ex-cons in pro sports. So it’s not inconceivable based on reputation/history, plus they currently have Colin Rea a 32 year old journeyman with a career era of nearly 5 in their rotation and no other healthy SP depth to speak of. 

Except all the evidence suggests the guy is simply done as a major league-caliber pitcher. Velocity is gone and all of his pitches are getting hit hard. Only thing he had to really fall-back on was his control, but even that has totally left him to start the season. Like Jake Arrieta and Dallas Keuchel before him, it happens. 

Main thing is he really wouldn't be an improvement over the options we currently have, with Houser set to return from the IL. 

[wiguy94]

14 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Well, they already have Matt Bush one of the few ex-cons in pro sports. So it’s not inconceivable based on reputation/history, plus they currently have Colin Rea a 32 year old journeyman with a career era of nearly 5 in their rotation and no other healthy SP depth to speak of. 

That career ERA of nearly 5 is better than what MadBum has been able to put up since he got to Arizona. 

Also Bush went to prison and is by all accounts a changed man. Comparing him to MadBum who is a raging ******* makes zero sense.

[RobertCrawley]

20 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

That career ERA of nearly 5 is better than what MadBum has been able to put up since he got to Arizona. 

Also Bush went to prison and is by all accounts a changed man. Comparing him to MadBum who is a raging ******* makes zero sense.

MadBum seems off center right now. I can imagine a team giving him an incentive-based contract so they have nothing to lose.

[wiguy94]

28 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

MadBum seems off center right now. I can imagine a team giving him an incentive-based contract so they have nothing to lose.

He's going to pass through waivers and elect FA. Any team that signs him would only have to pay the MLB minimum to get him. Not going to be an incentive-based contract.

[wallus]

Hell no on Bumgarner. He seems destined to pitch for STL.

[adambr2]

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/madison-bumgarner-tantrum-meltdown-votto-video-01g4y5927059

 

I could probably find a dozen random examples like this of Bumgarner acting like a child. This guy is an absolute clown. 

[RobertCrawley]

35 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

He's going to pass through waivers and elect FA. Any team that signs him would only have to pay the MLB minimum to get him. Not going to be an incentive-based contract.

But will he sign for the minimum?

[Outlander]

Yes, if he wants to play. He gets the same either way. He could just retire since he is getting paid the next two years.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

That career ERA of nearly 5 is better than what MadBum has been able to put up since he got to Arizona. 

Also Bush went to prison and is by all accounts a changed man. Comparing him to MadBum who is a raging ******* makes zero sense.

Lots of pro athletes are jerks, but Bumgarner never was convicted of felonies., and went to prison so I don’t if anyone can credibly say Bush is the better human. 
 

The point is: Bumgarner (despite reputation) is not far removed from being amongst the best pitchers in the game. He never there hard, and I haven’t looked at the metrics so I don’t know the basis of his extreme struggles this year (mechanics v. diminished stuff). To me, seems like he could be a #5/long reliever at a rock bottom price for a pitching hungry team lien Milwaukee. 
 

At no risk, why not? 

[tonyei31]

I would suspect the two teams 'most likely' to sign him for Vets Minimum would be the Rays.  They have an unreal ability to get the best out of pitchers.  With Springs going down with TJ, they are left with McClanahan, Rasmussen, Bradley, and a returning Eflin.  I would think they may sign him to a Vet Minimum deal, give him a few starts and see what happens instead of burning another prospect's service time.  Just buying time before one of their numerous DL guys comes back.

The Athletics.  Their SP's have been just as bad as Mad Bum.  I could see them doing the same as the Rays but with a bit longer leash in the hopes that he finds something and they can move him at the deadline.  

 

Don't think any other team even considers him.  A's much more likely than the Rays.  

 

[RobertCrawley]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

Lots of pro athletes are jerks, but Bumgarner never was convicted of felonies., and went to prison so I don’t if anyone can credibly say Bush is the better human. 
 

The point is: Bumgarner (despite reputation) is not far removed from being amongst the best pitchers in the game. He never there hard, and I haven’t looked at the metrics so I don’t know the basis of his extreme struggles this year (mechanics v. diminished stuff). To me, seems like he could be a #5/long reliever at a rock bottom price for a pitching hungry team lien Milwaukee. 
 

At no risk, why not? 

I agree. He's 33, so not a geezer. It's possible he's physically unable, but I can imagine pitching coaches studying his mechanics and wanting to tinker. If the risk is base ($720,000) plus incentives, it will likely be worth a shot to someone.

[RobertCrawley]

A writer for CBS Sports speculates that Milwaukee might be a buyer.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/madison-bumgarner-dfa-four-possible-landing-spots-for-the-veteran-pitcher-plus-whether-hes-worth-a-shot/

[wiguy94]

17 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

I agree. He's 33, so not a geezer. It's possible he's physically unable, but I can imagine pitching coaches studying his mechanics and wanting to tinker. If the risk is base ($720,000) plus incentives, it will likely be worth a shot to someone.

There's no incentives. It's just $720,000. If a team signs him that money is just discounted from the money that the Dbacks owe him. He's only going to get $37M. 

[wiguy94]

9 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

A writer for CBS Sports speculates that Milwaukee might be a buyer.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/madison-bumgarner-dfa-four-possible-landing-spots-for-the-veteran-pitcher-plus-whether-hes-worth-a-shot/

And he is hilariously wrong

[RobertCrawley]

10 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

There's no incentives. It's just $720,000. If a team signs him that money is just discounted from the money that the Dbacks owe him. He's only going to get $37M. 

There's no contract yet. We don't even know if he intends to keep playing. If and when there is a contract, we'll know if it includes incentives.

[wiguy94]

8 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

There's no contract yet. We don't even know if he intends to keep playing. If and when there is a contract, we'll know if it includes incentives.

You are missing the point. Bumgarner will only make $37M the next two years. That's the max he will make. Right now the Dbacks are on the hook for the entire $37M. If Bumgarner signs with a team of $720,000 then the Dbacks only owe him $36,280,000. 

Incentives are completely pointless because he's getting $37M nothing more and nothing less.

[RobertCrawley]

8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

You are missing the point. Bumgarner will only make $37M the next two years. That's the max he will make. Right now the Dbacks are on the hook for the entire $37M. If Bumgarner signs with a team of $720,000 then the Dbacks only owe him $36,280,000. 

Incentives are completely pointless because he's getting $37M nothing more and nothing less.

We'll see.

[SomewhereInTime]

9 hours ago, owbc said:

Exactly, his next destination is a golf outing with Felix Hernandez, who just turned 37 earlier this month. 

He pitched 15 years in the big leagues.  I think it worked out alright for Bumgarner.  For every one of him there's 15 other guys whose arms are shot without ever throwing 150 innings in a season.

[SomewhereInTime]

4 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

That career ERA of nearly 5 is better than what MadBum has been able to put up since he got to Arizona. 

Also Bush went to prison and is by all accounts a changed man. Comparing him to MadBum who is a raging ******* makes zero sense.

Agreed, Matt Bush is way worse, there is no comparison.

[Brewcrew82]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Lots of pro athletes are jerks, but Bumgarner never was convicted of felonies., and went to prison so I don’t if anyone can credibly say Bush is the better human. 
 

The point is: Bumgarner (despite reputation) is not far removed from being amongst the best pitchers in the game. He never there hard, and I haven’t looked at the metrics so I don’t know the basis of his extreme struggles this year (mechanics v. diminished stuff). To me, seems like he could be a #5/long reliever at a rock bottom price for a pitching hungry team lien Milwaukee. 
 

At no risk, why not? 

Your admission that you haven't done the research is quite telling here...

[MrTPlush]

13 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

The point is: Bumgarner (despite reputation) is not far removed from being amongst the best pitchers in the game. He never there hard, and I haven’t looked at the metrics so I don’t know the basis of his extreme struggles this year (mechanics v. diminished stuff). To me, seems like he could be a #5/long reliever at a rock bottom price for a pitching hungry team lien Milwaukee. 
 

At no risk, why not? 

It has been half a decade since he was a really good pitcher. That is 33% of his career and probably twice as long as the average baseball career.

I think he has been very far removed from actually being a useful arm in a rotation. 

[jerichoholicninja]

46 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

It has been half a decade since he was a really good pitcher. That is 33% of his career and probably twice as long as the average baseball career.

I think he has been very far removed from actually being a useful arm in a rotation. 

Exactly this. He's been terrible since he signed in Arizona and wasn't all that great his last year in SF. This isn't a matter of a guy having a few bad months, it's going on 4 years now.

As for the Matt Bush comparison, I'd rather have him on my team than a guy who throws a temper tantrum like a spoiled teenager who's parents won't buy him another new iPhone every time a batter swings too hard on a foul ball. 

[brewcrewdue80]

I don't get why Bumgarner would entertain playing anymore these next 2 seasons. Can he just stay a FA for next 2 seasons never agreeing to play for another team and collect his pay while being "retired" this way?

I'd just go sit on the sidelines enjoying an early retirement since my team dfa'd me and owe me the next 2 years regardless. He's had his big payday. Why play now for 2 seasons if you're this bad for a future beyond?  All he needs is go away and before the 2025 season have a showcase if he needs more money or wants to continue playing baseball.

Is he obligated to sign with a new team?

[Axman59]

On 4/20/2023 at 12:03 PM, jerichoholicninja said:

Bumhole is the case study for why throwing guys almost 250 innings every year and signing free agent pitchers to long term deals is a bad idea. His arm was toast before he even hit 30.

Justin Verlander begs to differ.